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PA727
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AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:50 am

Was booking online today, and it looks like effective Aug. 19, AA will replace one of two daily MD80 flights to XNA with the A319.

AA1384, which currently departs at 4 p.m. will now depart at 6:35 p.m. with the equipment shift.

I actually find this move somewhat surprising given the short 281 mile hop. Figured XNA would see the MD80s up until the end. While I love flying on the MD80s, particularly on the "A side" close to the front, we'll still get to spot them from G4, and of course DL is now bringing in the 717.

Any mainline at XNA is a great thing, and having another type visiting Northwest Arkansas is a plus!

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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:36 am

Quoting PA727 (Thread starter):

I've very surprised to see the A319 come to XNA so early....i'm with ya in that I thought for sure the MD80 would be at XNA until the bitter end. With that being said, I'm sad to see the switch as I love the MD80's and I absolutely hate the new A319...granted I fly economy, but its the worse flying experience I've ever had (worse then Spirit, or even Allegiant).

With XNA being a very large business market...wouldn't the 16 first class seating on the MD80 make more sense then the 8 first class on the A319.

[Edited 2014-06-10 21:42:22]
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:40 am

Interesting to see another short-haul getting the A319 already. I can see it from a capacity perspective, as the A319 fills a big gap between the E75 and MD-80, but it's not exactly the mission (longer/thinner) the A319 is best suited for.
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:15 am



Quoting PA727 (Thread starter):
of course DL is now bringing in the 717

DL is replacing the 717 RON with an MD88 at XNA starting Aug 19th as well. The 717 will become a turn sometime during the day.

I personally think they should start XNA-SLC. Would CVG-XNA-SLC-XNA-CVG work with a CR7 or CR9? SLC would do fine with those, it's CVG that may not work with anything larger than a CR2...

[Edited 2014-06-10 23:18:26]
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:20 am

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 3):
DL is replacing the 717 RON with an MD88 at XNA starting Aug 19th as well. The 717 will become a turn sometime during the day.

So DL is adding adding and MD88 in addition to a 717 turn? Is there any reduction in frequency on the RJ side? Either way, that's great news from a mainline perspective. Things seem to be going well on the DL side at XNA to support the upgauges. Wonder if it's growth in pax numbers at the airport or at the expense of UA or AA?

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 3):
I personally think they should start XNA-SLC.

DL will only add SLC if AS decides to try it along with their other adds at SLC (Sarcasm alert!!!)

In all seriousness, I hated to see it go the first time they tried it. XNA could use more options to the west. Would love to see it come back.

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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:52 pm

Quoting PA727 (Thread starter):
I actually find this move somewhat surprising given the short 281 mile hop

ICT was the first city that the 319 flew to. It is a one hour flight. ICT service quickly became all 319, replacing the MD80.

Quoting razorbackfan (Reply 1):
I absolutely hate the new A319...granted I fly economy, but its the worse flying experience I've ever had (worse then Spirit, or even Allegiant).

I agree, the AA 319 is not a very comfortable plane in Y. It seems as if there is little space between you and the seat back in front of you. I can't imagine flying it between DFW and BOG for 5 to 6 hours non-stop.
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:07 am

Quoting PA727 (Reply 4):

Looks like the MD88 is replacing the 717, and there won't be both daily. I don't see any changes on the RJ side, looks like just an equipment change.
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:04 am

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 5):
I agree, the AA 319 is not a very comfortable plane in Y. It seems as if there is little space between you and the seat back in front of you. I can't imagine flying it between DFW and BOG for 5 to 6 hours non-stop.

I wouldn't consider flying on a AA 319 for 5-6 hours. I flew on it from DFW to CLT and it was flat out terrible. I couldn't get any work done because the space was so cramped, and while they do have a nice IFE it was literally 4 inches from face which was quote unpleasant.
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:06 pm

Are there any "Old-Timers" out there?
For the longest time, the only "air transportation" for that whole region was small commuter airlines flying into Fayetteville Drake Field. I remember seeing FRONTIER and American Eagle Convair 580's, back in the 1980's.
For "mainline" flights, you would have to drive over 100 miles on mostly two-lane road to Tulsa.
I did that several times when I would fly back to visit my mother. It's "just the way it was". Flying out of FYV was really expensive, for a "commuter" flight. It was worth it to drive and fly TWA, or Southwest from TUL.

Progress is amazing. I flew into XNA a few years ago and it freaked me out!!
Louisville, where I have lived since the 80's is a large market. I was on a CRJ-700 to DFW and an MD-80 to XNA!!
And now Northwest Arkansas is getting Airbuses. The ONLY A319/320 service we've EVER had was from Frontier and that only lasted two years.... That is incredible in 2014. I've ofter wondered why WAL MART hasn't bought out one of the smaller low-cost carriers. XNA could be their HUB!!
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:15 pm

Addition to above post. According to FlightAware, one of our AA MD-80 flights HAS been changed to an A319.
We're finally arriving into the 21st Century!! I'll have to go to the airport to see it. I HATE the new livery, though...
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:11 am

Quoting razorbackfan (Reply 7):
I wouldn't consider flying on a AA 319 for 5-6 hours. I flew on it from DFW to CLT and it was flat out terrible. I couldn't get any work done because the space was so cramped, and while they do have a nice IFE it was literally 4 inches from face which was quote unpleasant.

Just returned ATL-DFW on a 319. Echo what a terrible experience it was. Broken IFE both ways. Was in MCE, but it felt really tight and claustrophobic. Also, F looked absurdly small and cramped. Half glad I was on an award ticket and didn't burn stickers for that experience.
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:24 pm

Quoting MD11SDF (Reply 9):
one of our AA MD-80 flights HAS been changed to an A319.
We're finally arriving into the 21st Century!!

Based on the following reactions to the A319, I am not sure it is a positive change.

Quoting razorbackfan (Reply 1):
I absolutely hate the new A319...granted I fly economy, but its the worse flying experience I've ever had (worse then Spirit, or even Allegiant).
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 5):
I agree, the AA 319 is not a very comfortable plane in Y. It seems as if there is little space between you and the seat back in front of you. I can't imagine flying it between DFW and BOG for 5 to 6 hours non-stop.
Quoting razorbackfan (Reply 7):
I flew on it from DFW to CLT and it was flat out terrible. I couldn't get any work done because the space was so cramped, and while they do have a nice IFE it was literally 4 inches from face which was quote unpleasant.
Quoting DFWguy81 (Reply 10):
Just returned ATL-DFW on a 319. Echo what a terrible experience it was. Broken IFE both ways. Was in MCE, but it felt really tight and claustrophobic. Also, F looked absurdly small and cramped. Half glad I was on an award ticket and didn't burn stickers for that experience.
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:28 pm

I flew the 319 on DFW-BOG. I was in MCE. Even then it was a tight fit for 6 hours each way.

Also the moving map didnt work.
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:29 pm

I can never figure out why people are so happy to get new types on a route, ignoring those who fly in paid J/F. I like spotting new planes, but manufacturers and airlines have gotten more and more efficient at cramming people in with each new frame. The S80 and 767 are easily the most comfortable rides in Y. I used to try to book my DFW-LGA trips around the scheduled S80 times. Was bummed a few months ago when they were finally phased out. Give me the old tech any day. The 319 just represents the most extreme example for now of where DP wants to take Y across the fleet.
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:42 pm

Quoting DFWguy81 (Reply 13):
The 319 just represents the most extreme example for now of where DP wants to take Y across the fleet.

Parker and crew are pretty good at modifying things based on passenger reaction. If they see a definite butts-in-seats negative reaction to the crowding on the 319s, they'll probably change the seating. My guess is, the vast majority of the flying public won't care.
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:46 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
My guess is, the vast majority of the flying public won't care.

You are probably correct. Will impact the mid-tier elites (myself included) most prominently. Granted, there is probably no real business case for increased comfort for a GLD/PLT flier on a mid-con that is paying discounted coach fares.
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:00 pm

Quoting DFWguy81 (Reply 13):
The 319 just represents the most extreme example for now of where DP wants to take Y across the fleet.

Oh, come now. This configuration was set long before the merger. And the US configuration on pre-merger 319's is quite comfortable, easily the nicest of the legacies.
 
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RE: AA Bringing A319 To XNA

Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:13 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
My guess is, the vast majority of the flying public won't care.

I think your right...most people book based on 1) cost and 2) schedule....I guarantee you 90% of people don't even look at what airplane its on when booking, as most probable don't care until they get on the plane. Even then they probable won't look at what plane is on the route the next time they fly.

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