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Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:19 pm

I think it would be fruitful to start a thread for the northern Gulf Coast airports (from west to east) MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP and maybe, if there's enough interest, keep it going with any/all pertinent airline/aircraft info for travelers to/from these airports. MSY is obviously the biggest and best serviced and could probably support its own thread. But, since they are all within very close proximity, I assume residents/travelers in/to these areas have tried at least two of these airports and would be interested in all. While they might not be *very big* airports, we should have good steady bits of news.

Like scheduled upgauges with AA/AE to DFW:

PNS-DFW (starting in late August): from 2xMD80 3xE45 to 2xMD80 1xCR7 2xE45
MOB-DFW (starting in late August): from 3xE45 to 2xCR7 1xCR2

Any others?
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:26 pm

I have noticed here in MOB that Delta has brought back an MD-80 in place of one of the CRJ's. Also noticed that Delta seems to be bringing in the 700's on several flights over the 200's . I for one would like to see more or at least bigger traffic here. I'm sure its not likely given the higher cost of flying to/from here as opposed to PNS and GPT, but one can hope.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:09 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 1):

I have noticed here in MOB that Delta has brought back an MD-80 in place of one of the CRJ's. Also noticed that Delta seems to be bringing in the 700's on several flights over the 200's . I for one would like to see more or at least bigger traffic here.

Most of my travels are out of MOB and I have seen DL using 712s a lot recently. It's looking, though, that DL will be back to doing 1xMD88, 4xCR7, 2xCR2 later this year. Right now it's 1xMD88 1x712 1xCR9, 3xCR2.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:18 pm

SY 737 will take over the casino charter contract to PIE starting this summer due to Vision servicing the new People Express.

For the day before Turkey Day 2014, DL will be 2X MD80 2X 717 to ATL from GPT and I believe that schedule will be around for a little while, at least.
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:00 pm

First let me say I'm really happy that my friends at GPT, MOB, and further on down the coast are seeing more DL mainline service. MOB used to be nearly all mainline back in the day...mostly 727s from what I remember. As for GPT, it'll be nice seeing the SY birds there. A good friend of mine is a SY F/A and she's getting ready to move to GPT.

Here are some MSY updates...

* AS inaugurates SEA service tomorrow. Aircraft is either 73H or 73J depending on the day of the week.
* WN 2X daily DCA service starts in August.
* People Express 3X weekly to PHF starts in August.
* DL Connection adds a 3rd JFK in October (CR9)
* MSY-MIA on AA/US will be getting a 5th frequency in November.
* Summer seasonal charters to CUN (twice weekly) and MBJ (weekly) have begun. Flights operated by Aeromexico and Miami Air, respectively.
 
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:44 pm

I'm happy to see AA finally brought mainline to PNS from DFW. Hopefully down the road they will upgauge some CLT flights as well.
 
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Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:34 am

That SY flight from PIE to GPT sounds interesting. How often will it run and is it heavily subsidized by the casinos in GPT?
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:38 am

Quoting southsky (Reply 2):
Most of my travels are out of MOB and I have seen DL using 712s a lot recently. It's looking, though, that DL will be back to doing 1xMD88, 4xCR7, 2xCR2 later this year. Right now it's 1xMD88 1x712 1xCR9, 3xCR2.

Well, we actually have three 717 flights a day and an MD-80, along with the Challenger and Embraer types. Each night this week and last at about 7:30 I watch the 80 as it flies 800 ft over my house! (Yes it really is 800 ft) . So we definately have been slightly upgauged. I for one am glad to see it. I'm also happy to see this thread. Its nice to be a subject of conversation even though these particular airports don't have 10 runways and a 1000 flights a day.    Hopefully it continues. But let's not forget BFM where, even though not served by revenue airlines, thanks to Mobile Aerospace we do get a lot of heavy metal there, cargo and airline.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:31 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 7):
But let's not forget BFM where, even though not served by revenue airlines, thanks to Mobile Aerospace we do get a lot of heavy metal there, cargo and airline.

There will be plenty more to see when those 320s start rolling off the assembly line too. Maybe I'll start scoping out a place to observe the action (once they finish up next year) downtown.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 5):

I'm happy to see AA finally brought mainline to PNS from DFW.

I think the mainline is seasonal, but may be going year-round if the demand warrants. Either way, it is great for PNS.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:41 pm

PNS has historically always supported mainline service. Heck, DL even flew 757's in there for quite a while. Nice to see the AA upgauges in that market. I hope it becomes a year-round service...I suspect the demand is there for that...even if it ends up being an A319, which AA seems to be sending out on short hauls more and more lately.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:42 pm

Quoting southsky (Reply 8):
I think the mainline is seasonal, but may be going year-round if the demand warrants. Either way, it is great for PNS.

Right now the mainline runs through October, however the November schedule appears to be a dummy schedule that is still subject to change. When they first loaded the mainline on PNS-DFW, it only ran through August. They then extended that to October, so we'll see what happens.

I think the longer term issue is to see if WN can sustain both ECP and PNS. It doesn't seem likely given the direction that WN is moving in.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:56 am

Delta is re-opening Line Mtc in MSY. I think it was previously closed around 1991 or so. Hopefully it will last, as Delta is flying mainline back to BTR and GPT, both of which are only about an hour away.
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:12 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 9):
PNS has historically always supported mainline service. Heck, DL even flew 757's in there for quite a while

They still are, my daughter and grandson are coming to PNS from the UK in July (MAN-ATL-PNS) and the ATL-PNS leg will be on a 757...
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:12 pm

Quoting southsky (Reply 8):
There will be plenty more to see when those 320s start rolling off the assembly line too. Maybe I'll start scoping out a place to observe the action (once they finish up next year) downtown.

Well I work here at BFM, and I would gladly post pictures of the progress and eventually the planes if the site would fix their problems....haven't been able to upload anything but a default image for several months now.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:43 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 13):
Well I work here at BFM, and I would gladly post pictures of the progress and eventually the planes if the site would fix their problems....haven't been able to upload anything but a default image for several months now.

That would be terrific! If the site still does not allow you to upload by then, I'm sure there would be other sites to upload and link here.

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 12):
They still are, my daughter and grandson are coming to PNS from the UK in July (MAN-ATL-PNS) and the ATL-PNS leg will be on a 757...

and now DL is running 3 752 per day during the "summer" to PNS. While it may be a response to WN, it looks like LFs to PNS are quite high on DL through March.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:44 am

Quoting southsky (Reply 14):



I don't know how effective of a response that would be seeing WN only flies to HOU and BNA. It might hammper BNA traffic. It never seemed to slow down FL service to ATL. BTW how is WN service at PNS doing?
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:41 pm

While they might not compete on the same routes out of PNS, they certainly can compete for connecting traffic.

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 15):
BTW how is WN service at PNS doing?

For the year through the end of March, WN at PNS is running at ~61%.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:50 pm

Quoting southsky (Reply 16):
For the year through the end of March, WN at PNS is running at ~61%.

I'm not sure but I think up here in Iowa WN at DSM started off like that but quickly picked up steam. I think WN metal has only been in PNS since November..will be interesting to see what their numbers are after the busy summer season. I would hope they would be able to stay in both PNS and ECP, although if I had to choose one I would prefer PNS since its a larger market and can get in on some of the military and business traffic whereas ECP is more leisure pax.
 
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:59 pm

This is typically the slowest season for traffic in PNS. WN was running a bit higher LF before the new year (~68% in Nov and Dec). It'll be interesting to watch.
 
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:04 pm

Really great to see PNS picking up some more mainline traffic from other airlines. I mean, kudos to Delta for restoring so much mainline service over the last few years, but it's nice to see AA starting to follow suit.
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:34 pm

Quoting southsky (Reply 16):
For the year through the end of March, WN at PNS is running at ~61%.

While it is the slow season, WN has to a large degree set themselves up for failure at PNS.

The schedule of 2x to BNA and 1x to HOU is inadequate and kills a lot of connecting markets that PNS used to have access to via ATL on FL. BNA has a nice operation for WN, but it still lacks connectivity to many markets making it difficult to use. Want to fly PNS-BNA-ORF...can't do it. Want to fly PNS-BNA-BDL...can't do it. Some markets can be reached with a double connection, but those aren't really effective or money making for WN either. PNS-HOU provides good connectivity, but 1x daily isn't enough.

On top of that, WN's reliability at PNS has been poor and it's not giving WN the best reputation. Granted, this is a system wide problem for WN right now.

Bottomline, while I think PNS is a big enough market to support WN, I'm not sure WN is willing to put in the effort to make the market work.
 
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:34 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 7):

Completely funded by MGM/Beau Rivage.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):

Agree that not keeping ATL flights after the transition to WN was mistake.
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:40 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):

Quoting southsky (Reply 16):
For the year through the end of March, WN at PNS is running at ~61%.

While it is the slow season, WN has to a large degree set themselves up for failure at PNS.

The schedule of 2x to BNA and 1x to HOU is inadequate and kills a lot of connecting markets that PNS used to have access to via ATL on FL. BNA has a nice operation for WN, but it still lacks connectivity to many markets making it difficult to use. Want to fly PNS-BNA-ORF...can't do it. Want to fly PNS-BNA-BDL...can't do it. Some markets can be reached with a double connection, but those aren't really effective or money making for WN either. PNS-HOU provides good connectivity, but 1x daily isn't enough.

On top of that, WN's reliability at PNS has been poor and it's not giving WN the best reputation. Granted, this is a system wide problem for WN right now.

Bottomline, while I think PNS is a big enough market to support WN, I'm not sure WN is willing to put in the effort to make the market work.

Maybe once they start picking up some new planes and the fleet gains a little slack we'll see loose ends being tied up such as PNS.
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:20 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):
While it is the slow season, WN has to a large degree set themselves up for failure at PNS.

The schedule of 2x to BNA and 1x to HOU is inadequate and kills a lot of connecting markets that PNS used to have access to via ATL on FL. BNA has a nice operation for WN, but it still lacks connectivity to many markets making it difficult to use. Want to fly PNS-BNA-ORF...can't do it. Want to fly PNS-BNA-BDL...can't do it. Some markets can be reached with a double connection, but those aren't really effective or money making for WN either. PNS-HOU provides good connectivity, but 1x daily isn't enough.


I wonder what was behind the change of moving ATL flights to BNA? Is there more O&D for PNS at BNA vs ATL? I would think there would have to be a decent amount of O&D to PNS from ATL, it is about a 6 hour drive between the 2. ATL is also a bigger station and can connect to more cities as well.
 
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:06 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 23):
I wonder what was behind the change of moving ATL flights to BNA? Is there more O&D for PNS at BNA vs ATL?

I think ATL has more O&D than BNA, however I'm guessing WN was expecting to capture more O&D at BNA than at ATL. This is probably true because obviously on the PNS-ATL route, you've got DL throwing 7 flights a day at you (with MD88's, MD90's and 757's), so DL is bound to capture a lot of the O&D. At BNA, WN is the big dog and they would capture almost all of the BNA-PNS O&D. However, this comes at a big cost to the connecting traffic.

PNS (like most small markets) needs a decent amount of connections. Frankly, I think WN would have done better flying BWI-PNS (since the DC area has lots of O&D to PNS) plus BWI offers lots of connections to Northeast/MidAtlantic markets. Frankly, I would have rather seen WN fly HOU-PNS 2x, BNA-PNS 1x and BWI-PNS 2x.

But with WN's current schedule, they have maybe a 50% chance of lasting long term given the poor connectivity.
 
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:07 am

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 21):
Completely funded by MGM/Beau Rivage.

It could be funded by the underwater basketweaving society as long as it brought it in!    But I kinda have to disagree with that, since GPT is served by all the same airlines we here in MOB get plus Silver, which we here don't. I know that Allegiant was being supplied by the casinos when they were in GPT. I still don't know why they left, the planes were completely full the number of times I flew on them. I would imagine that Silver is probably reaping the benefits of the casinos now.
 
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:13 am

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 25):



AFAIK Silver doesn't operate into GPT. The current casino contract is with Vision which will give way to SY shortly. I've heard G4 droped the GPT-LAS route due to fuel cost and the MD-80 not having the legs for the flight. I'm not sure why the PIE service was droped. I personally believe it had to do with $ and how little the casinos were seeing off those flights. Anyone was free to book G4 where as the prior and future PIE service was all public charters, which insured the casinos made $ off those operations as pretty much everybody on them booked an all inclusive package to gamble. I also tend to think the casino crowd prefered the public charters and may not have been keen to regular scheudled, al la carte service via G4. Had the casinos financed G4 to run the GPT-PIE route as a charter, such as Peppermill does in ENV, G4 mad dogs would probably have been seen longer at GPT.

Another problem I think G4 had with GPT was trying to operate as both a spoke and a destination. Generally they want spokes that provide travelers for the destination markets.
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:17 pm

G4 flew Sanford-GPT and back, so I guess GPT was the destination as far as that route goes. I checked out flightradar the other day and saw where there was a Silver 737 headed to GPT.Was curious as to what it was as it was flying over my house. But I've been known to be wrong. A lot!  
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:28 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 27):
saw where there was a Silver 737 headed to GPT

Are you sure it wasn't a Vision 737?
 
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:11 pm

It is very likely, like I said, I've been wrong a lot.   But the key thing here is that GPT gets one that we here at MOB does not. Should we ever get another cruise line maybe, just maybe, that could attract more.   
 
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:27 pm

I am wondering if MSY could be a Gulf Coast hub or is it just too close to these other airports?
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:03 pm

Didn't AirTran at one time fly TPA and FLL to GPT?

Was that subsidized service?
 
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:07 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 30):

I am wondering if MSY could be a Gulf Coast hub or is it just too close to these other airports?

MSY is already pretty much the hub airport between Houston and Tampa on the coast. We see people driving in from 2+ hours away in all directions to catch a nonstop. The catchment area is pretty large. When I was with F9, we had a few passengers on nearly every flight who drove in from PNS. It really surprised me at first. With WN in PNS now, it's probably not as common as it used to be though. But folks living in LFT/BTR/JAN/GPT/MOB still make the drive to save some money on airfare.

You won't see MSY be an official "hub" for any airline because we're only 45min by air from Houston and 1 hour from ATL and also our infrastructure would not support a large hub type operation. For a region our size, though, I'd say we have it pretty good.
 
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:08 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 31):
Didn't AirTran at one time fly TPA and FLL to GPT?

Also GPT-DFW at one point.

GPT was hopping at that time.
 
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:16 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 32):
You won't see MSY be an official "hub" for any airline because we're only 45min by air from Houston and 1 hour from ATL and also our infrastructure would not support a large hub type operation. For a region our size, though, I'd say we have it pretty good.

I know you say that but a F9 type of operation with service to some major US cities plus SAP, SAL, CUN and a few others would do well.
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:22 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 34):
I know you say that but a F9 type of operation with service to some major US cities plus SAP, SAL, CUN and a few others would do well.

Well supposedly the new PEOPLExpress wants to make MSY a focus city if they make it that long. So there's that.  

I'm still patiently waiting for AV service to SAL. It would give me an excuse to visit Central America.
 
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:57 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 35):
I'm still patiently waiting for AV service to SAL. It would give me an excuse to visit Central America.

Till then you can fly via IAH or MIA
 
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:10 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 36):
Till then you can fly via IAH or MIA

Yeah, but I've been to both places too many times to mention. I'm ready for something new. I can hold out a while longer.  
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:27 am

FL landed at GPT in 1999 with the opening of the Beau Rivage. The flights to TPA,HOU, DFW and BNA where partially covered by the BR, but where operated as scheduled services meaning all booking went through FL normal channels, (no public charters,) In the early days FL upgauged several of the flights to the 732. BNA was the first to fall as it was the only FL route from there. at some point the HOU and DFW flights also got the axe, leaving the ever popular ATL,TPA and MCO routes. At later point the MCO service went by the wayside and the ATL-TPA service continued until they got axed the first time after Katrina. Post K the FL provided wet lease service for a tour operator doing ATL-GPT 3x weekly. After a year or so FL decided to give GPT a try again on their own and resumed scheduled ATL and TPA flying until the WN buyout and GPT became one of the first cities axed.

CO also operated a daily 737-500 daily and was slated to upgrade a second flight to a 735, but this never transpired as Katrina intervened. Since then it has been all ERJs to IAH. The 735 was a marketing deal with 3 casinos, but not subsidized by them as best I can tell.

For the person stating GPT was hopping for a while, it was, but that was for a couple of years from the late 90's when the economy was good unit 9/11/2001. After that recovery, DL went on to become the big player at GPT bringing in an MD-80 on Saturdays, then daily also upgauging ASA flights to ATR-72s. Eventually the MD-80 became a 2x daily feature and DLX has filled the rest of shcedule with primarly CR2s. That will all change soon as DL goes all mainline at GPT.

I had hoped CO would eventually restore the 735 service, but the recession, followed high fuel costs, the merger and Jeffy's phase out of the smaller 73s pretty much have put that hope on ice, for now.

I would cetianly like see the other majors at GPT follow DLs lead and upgauge to mainline or at least larger RJs.

As a final GPT throwback, does anyone else remember Canada 2000 operating seasonal weekend charters into GPT in the mid-late 90s. Only one of two times the terminal has proven it's ability to handle the 757-200. There was talk then of Canada 2000 returning the next year, but they went on a buying spree of smaller Canadian operators and bit the dust before that happened.
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Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:29 am

I used to fly yearly to the old PFN. I really like that airport compared to distant ECP.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:39 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):
Bottomline, while I think PNS is a big enough market to support WN, I'm not sure WN is willing to put in the effort to make the market work.

I agree,100%
WN needs to add more flights!
I find it also frustrating looking up airfares and getting a this error "Oops!" Flights from Pensacola - PNS to Seattle - SEA are not scheduled to operate on 08/11/2014. Please select an alternate date or choose another origination/destination. Please visit the Southwest Airlines interactive route map for alternate choices. (SW100105-IZEcxdwRQJu1vKUSbbx39g)".

I think PNS has a large amount of DL/AA loyalists.
WN needs to capture some of those customers.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 32):
We see people driving in from 2+ hours away in all directions to catch a nonstop. The catchment area is pretty large. When I was with F9, we had a few passengers on nearly every flight who drove in from PNS

Does it really save that much driving all the way to MSY??
At my last job at a hotel, I was on the phone with a customer who lived in Missouri.
She said shes flying into MSY, because of the "puddle jumpers/small aircraft" that serve PNS...
Kinda ridiculous if you ask me.

News @ PNS:
PNS airport director Greg Donovan, is leaving PNS at the end of July to executive direct MLB airport.
No word yet, on the ground breaking of the ST Aerospace MRO facility at PNS.
The airport is getting all new concessions (Chick-fil-A, Einstein Bros. Bagels, a smoothie bar, and a beach house restaurant & bar)
Hyatt Place Hotel opened on the airport property, with a covered walkway to the terminal.
Parking Garage is being rehabilitated, estimated to be completed by mid-September.
Pensacola ranked number 10, as the most expensive airport in the continental US to fly into/out of based on 4th Quarter 2013 Average Domestic Fare ($2013).

News @ VPS:
Delta upgraded all their CRJ flights to 717s (Huge Capacity Increase/LF @95%)
A new dog park has opened
Construction on a new cell phone waiting lot is almost complete
Updated mobile website to makes it easier for people to view flight information in real time.

Sources:
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/business...ern-vps-is-off-and-flying-1.323517
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/mo...ne-international-airport/10417993/
http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/airfares...vel_price_index/html/table_10.html
https://www.facebook.com/FlyPensacola

Discussion:
In regards to ECP:
This is the only airport (MSY excluded) that currently has all mainline service (WN & DL).
WN & DL seem to be battling out @ ECP.

What I don't understand is the lack of mainline service @ PNS/MOB/VPS...
As you probably know, 50 seat (CRJ/ERJ) flights are expensive to operate, and uneconomical..Which therefore leads to higher airfares for the small airports that have flights which these aircraft.

Why haven't airlines, replaced the 50-seat aircraft yet?
Why haven't airlines, up gauged more 50-seat flights?
Or airlines choose, to use the larger (70+ seat) aircraft on mainline routes, for example United Express (new) E175 aircraft flying ORD-LGA..
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:19 pm

Quoting pensacolaguy (Reply 40):
Does it really save that much driving all the way to MSY??

Nowadays I doubt it, with the price of fuel and all. I can see people driving in from GPT or BTR, but for me personally, I'd have to see an awful lot of savings to drive in from the MOB area, for instance, if I lived there.

Quoting pensacolaguy (Reply 40):
She said shes flying into MSY, because of the "puddle jumpers/small aircraft" that serve PNS...
Kinda ridiculous if you ask me.

I agree. She must have had sort of a fear of flying or something. I mean I always look for certain aircraft types I want to fly on when I book a ticket, but I wouldn't drive three hours just to get on one lol.

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 38):
As a final GPT throwback, does anyone else remember Canada 2000 operating seasonal weekend charters into GPT in the mid-late 90s.

I do remember that!

Here's something I vaguely remember - flights (presumably casino charters) operating out of HSA (Stennis Intl Airport) just north of Waveland/Bay St. Louis. Was I dreaming this or did this ever happen?

[Edited 2014-06-17 05:22:27]
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:42 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 41):

Not dreaming, MSY. Those charters did briefly happen.
GEAUX SAINTS!
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:59 pm

Before I was interested in aviation I used to fly either NW or DL down to PFN from 1999-2007. What types of aircraft would I have flown from MEM, ATL, and MCO to PFN? Any thanks is much appreciated.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:28 am

NW from MEM (CRJ & SF3) -- From June-August 2001 timetable
DL from ATL (6 flights AT7 and 1 CRJ flight) -- From November 2002 timetable
DL from ATL (6 flights AT7 and 1 CRJ flight, and 1 CR7 flight) -- From February 2004 timetable
DL from CVG (2 flights Saturday only CRJ) -- From February 2004 timetable
DL from DFW (2 flights weekend only CRJ) -- From February 2004 timetable
DL/NW from MEM (3 flights CRJ) -- From February 2004 timetable

Sources:
http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usb/delta/pdf/dl040201.pdf
http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usb/delta/pdf/dl021101.pdf

Hope this helps a bit.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:41 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 32):
MSY is already pretty much the hub airport between Houston and Tampa on the coast. We see people driving in from 2+ hours away in all directions to catch a nonstop. The catchment area is pretty large. When I was with F9, we had a few passengers on nearly every flight who drove in from PNS. It really surprised me at first. With WN in PNS now, it's probably not as common as it used to be though. But folks living in LFT/BTR/JAN/GPT/MOB still make the drive to save some money on airfare.

You won't see MSY be an official "hub" for any airline because we're only 45min by air from Houston and 1 hour from ATL and also our infrastructure would not support a large hub type operation. For a region our size, though, I'd say we have it pretty good.

Plenty of people drive in to MSY. And the operation may get significantly cheaper to operate (and more efficient) with the new North Terminal, slated to come on line in 2018. The new terminal will have two concourses with 30 gates in total. Not sure how that will work given that the current terminal has more then 30 gates being utilized, but we'll see. The new terminal will also have expansion capabilities, I think for 10 more gates, but I could be wrong.


Renderings Of The New MSY (by MSYtristar Mar 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tiqq1FQNezw&feature=c4-overview&list=UUDwlfIrMROhiNNSMcVwKMAQ
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:47 pm

Quoting Nola (Reply 45):
he new terminal will have two concourses with 30 gates in total. Not sure how that will work given that the current terminal has more then 30 gates being utilized, but we'll see. The new terminal will also have expansion capabilities, I think for 10 more gates, but I could be wrong.

By my count, 28 gates are is use at some point during the day right now.

WN/FL - 6
DL - 6
UA/AC - 6
AA - 3
US - 3
B6 - 1
F9 - 1
NK - 1
AS - 1

The AS and F9 gates are only used once per day right now. Perhaps the new terminal will include some CUTE gates so multiple carriers can use them throughout the day. So say if AS and F9 end up sharing a gate, that will leave three open gates for new airlines/expansion before it needs to be expanded. That doesn't like too many, but these decisions are above my pay grade.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:56 pm

Quoting pensacolaguy (Reply 44):
Hope this helps a bit.

Thanks so much. That was really helpful. By the way, where did you get the 2001 NW Timetable?
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:27 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 46):
By my count, 28 gates are is use at some point during the day right now.

WN/FL - 6
DL - 6
UA/AC - 6
AA - 3
US - 3
B6 - 1
F9 - 1
NK - 1
AS - 1

I think a few more are in use. DL is using 6 in D and 3 in C. I think UA/AC is all in D now, so that is only 6.

AA/US may be able to consolidate down to 4 gates.

Not sure about WN's usage.
 
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RE: Northern Gulf Coast MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS, ECP

Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:47 pm

Quoting Nola (Reply 48):
I think a few more are in use. DL is using 6 in D and 3 in C. I think UA/AC is all in D now, so that is only 6.

AA/US may be able to consolidate down to 4 gates.

Not sure about WN's usage.

I think DL has something like 8 RON aircraft so I'd imagine the C gates are used primarily for the morning push. I flew out of C15 on DL one day. It was sort of strange boarding a DL flight from C.

I agree, I think we may see some AA/US consolidation. I'm hearing US will move to C in July or August.

For WN I just took a look at the airport's flight arrivals page and for today 6 were in use. They can run 60 flights a day with six gates, so they still have some room to work with, but not much...right now the combined FL/WN is around 55 a day. By the time the new terminal opens, they may very well need a 7th gate.

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