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BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:23 am

According to a high BA staff member it is reported in his posts that BA is looking at these destinations for new 787 routes.

PDX is a given. But CMH?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...-ba-resume-service-queen-city.html
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:28 am

Columbus wouldn't shock me, but on an AA 75L, not a BA 787.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:35 am

That would be a nice addition to Portland! Keeping my fingers crossed......
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:36 am

CLT seems like a no brainer. I could see PDX as well.

CMH, along with IND, BDL, and CLE are all good AA 75L LHR routes, but I doubt will ever come to fruition.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:39 am

Delta might have some new motivation to find a LHR slot......BA could make SLC work for sure
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:40 am

BA looking at CMH, but not CLE or CVG? Shows how far the latter two 'hubs' have fallen. CMH actually had more boardings than CVG last year.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:58 am

Any chance of LHR- DTW?
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:00 am

PDX would make a lot of sense. Especially with AS feed (and I'm sure they are motived to send traffic to BA instead of DL at this point).

PDX-AMS on DL has always been poorly timed in my opinion. I take it a few times a year, and it departs at 1:40pm or so, arriving around 8:30. I miss most of the early bank of connections and have to wait 2-3hrs at AMS when going to greece or south.

A 3:30 departure would allow a bit more natural sleep too.
The return AMS-PDX leaves too early (although, it looks like this winter they are moving it back thank god). 830am departure out of AMS means you have to connect from other places in Europe at 505am or terrible stuff like that.
10 or 1030am departure would be much better.


I like delta, and always take the nonstop to AMS, but if I had a choice, I'm MOST loyal to AS, and would love to use BA instead via LHR.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:09 am

What about SJC? I thought BA was looking at that too.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:21 am

Quoting ANA787 (Thread starter):
According to a high BA staff member

From where did you infer that from?

If it is the poster's profile, "British Airways - Executive Club" simply is the name of the specific forum, and "Ambassador" refers to his position as a forum moderator.

That's not to say he didn't come across some information which may be accurate.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:27 am

Why not BNA? Healthcare hub, big auto business, possible tourist traffic (more than any other of these cities anyway), and a big AA presence. AFAIK the international gate is still in working order, as it was built for the short-lived AA LGW service in the mid-nineties.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:33 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 1):
Columbus wouldn't shock me, but on an AA 75L, not a BA 787.

The Columbus Dispatch had an article some time ago about the Columbus Regional Airport Authority offering incentives to a number of carriers for both domestic and international service. CRAA seems to desperately want a London/CDG flight. It's interesting to see it getting some traction from someone in the know at BA.

I wondered if CMH-CDG on a DL 757 was coming back when they were adding places like PIT and RDU.

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 5):
BA looking at CMH, but not CLE or CVG? Shows how far the latter two 'hubs' have fallen. CMH actually had more boardings than CVG last year.
CLE still has a bit more service than CMH (no SFO, SEA, etc. among the cities UA still serves from CLE, no BDL or IND on DL), not to mention F9 giving up on CMH in favor of CLE and CVG, which still has CDG nonstop on DL.

edit- Here's the story (and thread I posted) to which I referred above: CMH Pursuing VX, AS, Trans-Atlantic Service (by DeltaRules Feb 26 2012 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2014-06-12 18:44:39]
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:49 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
CLE still has a bit more service than CMH (no SFO, SEA, etc. among the cities UA still serves from CLE, no BDL or IND on DL), not to mention F9 giving up on CMH in favor of CLE and CVG, which still has CDG nonstop on DL.

CLE is still busier than CMH, but nonetheless it now lacks trans-atlantic service. I think that indeed indicates a 'fall' from its busier days. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe CLE-Europe was serviced nonstop in the past.

BA considering CMH but not CLE or CVG (if this is indeed true) counts as a snub of these faded 'hubs' in my book.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:02 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 1):
Columbus wouldn't shock me, but on an AA 75L, not a BA 787.

Presuming the list is accurate, the inclusion of CMH but not BNA or STL would suggest to me that the joint venture is looking at 75L routes.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:41 am

PDX and CLT I could see, mainly due to feeds from AS and AA respectively, and in CLT's case, a very large financial services industry.

SLC is interesting to me, due to the fact that there would be no feed on the SLC side. The Salt Lake City region, however, does have a growing financial services industry, with Goldman Sachs and AMEX having a growing presence there. You also can't forget the mountain resorts nearby in the winter and summer. My wonder is if SLC was opened, would it cannibalize the DEN route at all.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:59 am

Quoting ctnyc12 (Reply 14):
SLC is interesting to me, due to the fact that there would be no feed on the SLC side. The Salt Lake City region, however, does have a growing financial services industry, with Goldman Sachs and AMEX having a growing presence there. You also can't forget the mountain resorts nearby in the winter and summer. My wonder is if SLC was opened, would it cannibalize the DEN route at all.

Maybe not.I get out to ABQ and SAF a couple times a year. The last 5 years or so I am always running into tourists from the UK, Scotland, Germany and so on. They seem to fly to DEN, PHX, LAS, AUS etc. and rent cars from one city and trravel and drive around and fly home from another city in that part of the country, So following that line of thinking SLC just gives them another option. Just last week at the hotel in ABQ I was talking to a family that flew to AUS and were driving to the Grand Canyon and up to LAS to fly home.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:39 am

Quoting ctnyc12 (Reply 14):
PDX and CLT I could see, mainly due to feeds from AS and AA respectively, and in CLT's case, a very large financial services industry.

SLC is interesting to me, due to the fact that there would be no feed on the SLC side. The Salt Lake City region, however, does have a growing financial services industry, with Goldman Sachs and AMEX having a growing presence there. You also can't forget the mountain resorts nearby in the winter and summer. My wonder is if SLC was opened, would it cannibalize the DEN route at all.

This post is a bunch of baloney. The inclusion of Salt Lake City, which is, putting it lightly, a SkyTeam "stronghold", and Columbus as a 787 destination when it could be far better served by a AA 75L totally torpedoes this posts credibility. Charlotte is an obvious claim while Portland, in my opinion, would be peeing in its own Cheerios by attracting a second Europe flight when it most likely can't support 400+ seats across the pond daily. AS feed may help, but I don't see it as long as DL is operating AMS.

Besides, its common knowledge that MSY was the second place finisher to AUS in the first 787 North American destination sweepstakes. If SLC or CMH happens on a BA 787 before MSP/DTW/STL/MSY - the four destinations I consider to be most likely - I will fall out of my chair.

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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:48 am

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 16):

You might be right. But I am sure you most likely had all of those destinations ahead of AUS...Might want to make sure you wear a helmet and elbow pads before you sit down next. You, like most of us don't have a clue.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:48 am

Quoting ctnyc12 (Reply 14):
SLC is interesting to me, due to the fact that there would be no feed on the SLC side

BA has operated to places such as PHX, SAN, DEN and BWI for years with no US-side feed, and - indeed - previously no AA JBA. BA has enough critical mass on the LHR end that they can serve PHX-LON/EU/ME/India O&D without needing connections beyond PHX. SLC wouldn't overly shock me, especially given that there is a relatively strong financial services industry there. Don't forget that UA don't fly DEN-LHR either, so I wouldn't take a lack of DL service to suggest that there is zero market.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:55 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
SLC wouldn't overly shock me, especially given that there is a relatively strong financial services industry there. Don't forget that UA don't fly DEN-LHR either, so I wouldn't take a lack of DL service to suggest that there is zero market.

SLC_LHR has substantially more O&D than SLC-CDG, which is why many speculate it might just be next for DL to make a move on. But given how hard to get LHR slots are, BA might beat them to it.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:57 am

Delta stated its intention to serve SLC-LHR in the future in government filings related to virgin Atlantic. BA might try to beat them or it might push DL to try to get an additional slot? huge growing finance and banking sector in SLC so that certainly can't hurt plus a n/s will certainly boost tourism o&d on both ends

Columbus would make a good 757 route. maybe part of a new 3 or 4 city announcement ?

CLT makes sense to me even if aa operates the route. Ba wants some metal on the route with so much connection power at CLT.

BA I can see trying something relatively soon and I will fall out of my chair if they try msp, that is an overly served route already
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:29 am

I might be missing something, I read the link and I didn't find any credible statement that BA is definitively looking at these cities. I mean CLT seems like a no-brainer, PDX perhaps, but I'm not sure about the others.

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but nonetheless it now lacks trans-atlantic service.

It lacked TATL service for years even when it was a hub, UA de-hubbing CLE didn't change anything for CLE in that respect. CLE's O&D numbers to London are also roughly the same as CMH, CVG being the largest Ohio market to London.

[Edited 2014-06-12 22:47:20]
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:38 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 19):
SLC_LHR has substantially more O&D than SLC-CDG

SLCCDG has grown tremendously since Delta started service and will probably overtake SLCLON's local market in a year or two. SLCLON keeps shrinking, which just shows that the traffic is migrating to Paris on the non-stop rather than Delta's flight stimulating demand. They are only about 4,000 annual passengers apart. Neither is large; SLCLON and CMHLON are around the same market size, but CMHLON can be done on an AA 757 and there is the insurance industry that can prop it up.

[Edited 2014-06-12 22:40:33]

[Edited 2014-06-12 22:41:05]
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:00 am

That's interesting, but, again, CMH? What's there in CMH? What about SJC?
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:26 am

Why is STL overlooked. It is the largest population wise of those mentioned.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:51 am

Columbus, Ohio really ? What is in Columbus that is of such interest for BA ? CLT is the city that makes sense for USairways reasons and gives BA a southeastern hub. BA used to fly to Charlotte from LGW so it should fly a 777 daily, I can see up to 3 flights between BA and AA in a year or two.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:45 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 25):
Columbus, Ohio really ? What is in Columbus that is of such interest for BA ? CLT is the city that makes sense for USairways reasons and gives BA a southeastern hub. BA used to fly to Charlotte from LGW so it should fly a 777 daily, I can see up to 3 flights between BA and AA in a year or two.

I am thinking that Ohio State University might add something to the mix with the insurance industry. I could be wrong.

[Edited 2014-06-13 05:46:44]
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:48 pm

I always thought BDL with an AA 757 would be good.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:54 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 25):
Columbus, Ohio really ? What is in Columbus that is of such interest for BA ?

Quite a few things that would interest BA/AA on this route. First, as MAH said, the insurance industry would definitely help prop it up because of how big the reinsurance industry is in London. Nationwide and other various insurance companies call Columbus home. There's also the fashion industry that would probably help fill up planes too with Limited Brands being based there in Columbus. Columbus is the fastest growing metro area in Ohio and it helps the city has a vary diverse economy with a younger generation living there. To me...I think of it a lot like Austin, TX...where BA flies a 787 to now...
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:11 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 28):
Columbus is the fastest growing metro area in Ohio and it helps the city has a vary diverse economy with a younger generation living there.

Absolutely. When I saw CHM in the title, it reminded me of Austin (to a lesser extent).

It seems that BA is logically interested in developing strong, fast-developing US metro areas. SLC is also a logical step: steady job growth with some secondary offices for international companies (GS, AMEX, Adobe, eBay...) and high-end tourism. For places like CHM and AUS they would have the first-comer advantage.

I am not surprised that BA is not interested in developing shrinking cities like CLE, CVG, STL or DTW. I also feel that many people in this forum in this kind of threads just look at GDP or population numbers but not at global trends of each of those metro areas.

At the end of the day it reminds me (at another level) to the PHL VS BOS thread a few days ago. Boston is a prestigious city while Philly is not. Columbus, Salt Lake City or Austin are metros "on the rise" while Cleveland, Detroit or Saint Louis are decaying.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:28 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 29):
I also feel that many people in this forum in this kind of threads just look at GDP or population numbers but not at global trends of each of those metro areas.

Maybe, but how do these "global trends" explain the choice of CMH over places like IND or BNA?
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:39 pm

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 12):
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe CLE-Europe was serviced nonstop in the past.

CO flew CLE-London (don't remember if it was LGW or LHR) some years, but not all years, with a 752.

I remember in the 80's seeing one of the JAT charter DC-10's at CLE!

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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:43 pm

Columbus seems to have quite the banking industry presence to go along with its insurance interests.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:45 pm

Quoting ctnyc12 (Reply 14):
SLC is interesting to me, due to the fact that there would be no feed on the SLC side.

I'm sure BA may be able to accomplish this through its prorate agreement with DL, but if there are a lot of connecting passengers, it would think that many of them would be able to use DFW or ORD instead. If BA did expect DL to provide feed in SLC, there would be a risk of DL canceling its prorate agreement with BA.

Although PDX is a possibility, I question what the O&D demand would be. DL might respond to that with a nonstop of its own, but in my opinion, a BA flight is likely never to happen there given the paltry demand.

CMH is definitely a growing city with good potential, although I wonder whether a 787 would be filled on a daily basis. A 75L would be much smarter, but the product would not be nearly as good, so part of the advantage of a nonstop would be lost. As we can see, use of the 757 across the Atlantic has become much less popular in recent years, and many business people avoid it because they hate flying narrow-bodies such great distances. It might be best to focus on JV strongholds for now, so CLT looks like the best candidate.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:46 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
Maybe, but how do these "global trends" explain the choice of CMH over places like IND or BNA?

They have a more globally-minded economy and population. To one or another extent that is something common to those 4 metro areas. Again this the BOS VS PHL case.

At the end of the day, BA is betting on the growth of those places in the medium to long term in order to consolidate that route. It is logical that they are more prone to start a route to a booming place like Austin that to metro areas that are losing jobs and population right and left.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:51 pm

I have to wonder if CMH-LHR is started by AA/BA if DL doesn't get jealous and try to start their own TATL service from CMH. CMH-LAX was typically 3-5x a week when DL was the only one on the route. Then AA started it and DL not only made it daily, but changed the Eastbound red-eye arriving at 6am to a daytime flight arriving at 6pm.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 34):
They have a more globally-minded economy and population.

You're going to have to explain to me how Columbus' economy and population are more global than Indianapolis' or Nashville's. Certainly, all three have major industries that have a definite global angle (insurance in Columbus, biotech/pharma in Indy, automotive in Nashville). And of the three, Indianapolis might have the most global tourist demand because of racing.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:30 pm

I can certainly see BA choosing the younger more growing cities over the older rust belt cities. AUS was certainly not a front runner or even a possibility for many on this board.

CLT, PDX, CMH and SLC all make sense to me. They all have some similarities to AUS. I would like to see BDL on a 757 happen also, i think that could be a great route for them.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:33 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 36):
You're going to have to explain to me how Columbus' economy and population are more global than Indianapolis' or Nashville's. Certainly, all three have major industries that have a definite global angle (insurance in Columbus, biotech/pharma in Indy, automotive in Nashville). And of the three, Indianapolis might have the most global tourist demand because of racing.

All three have different economies all on the global scale. I would associate Nashville more with tourist being the hub of Country music and such. All three would be very good candidates for TATL to London, but in my personal opinion, Columbus would have more of a business case. Columbus has the huge Honda plant in Marysville, they have Worthington Industries, Cardinal Health, NetJets, Huntington Bancshares, and a big presence with JPMorgan Chase, and a huge draw for research in The Ohio State University. I'm not saying IND and BNA don't have big companies but Columbus does have a lot going for it.

It's going to be interesing where we are going to see these planes go, I for one would love to see TATL out of CMH, I may even try and take it for fun. I even could see splitting the flights like 4x one city and 3x another to guage interest and performance and maybe expand after that if warranted.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:41 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 38):
I'm not saying IND and BNA don't have big companies but Columbus does have a lot going for it.

I agree that Columbus has a lot going for it, but I'm having hard time with it having more than Indianapolis or Nashville. One thing that the other two have that Columbus doesn't is surrounding towns that themselves generate some demand but lack air service (whether it's Rose-Hulman in Terre Haute or Hankook and Fort Campbell in Clarksville).
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:55 pm

Columbus is usually underestimated when it comes what people think about it. The economy is very diverse and young. It's not only the fastest growing metro in Ohio, but also in the midwest. It's also big in three categories: fashion, insurance, & banking. I can see companies such as Cardinal Health (#19 on Fortune 500) and L Brands subsidizing such a route.

Companies with headquarters/large operations in Columbus metro:
L Brands (Victoria's Secret, Bath & Body)
Express (Clothing retailer)
The Limited
Tween Brands (teen clothing retailer)
Abercrombie & Fitch
Exel (World's largest 3rd party logistics firm, Owned by DHL)
JP Morgan-Chase (Largest offices outside New York; 17,000 people in CMH)
Huntington Bank
Nationwide Insurance
Grange Insurance
NetJets
Lancaster Colony Corp. (Food distributer)
Honda (America's HQ, just moved from Los Angeles to CMH)
Scotts-MircleGro
Momentive (Large Chemical company with HQ in CMH and large ops in Europe, former part of Shell)
Cardinal Health (Large Medical supply/Pharma distributer)
American Electric Power (One of the largest Utilities in US)

CMH is not at all a tourist destination so a flight to Europe would have to rely heavily on business, which probably could be done, more likely on a AA 752.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:08 pm

Quoting cmh235 (Reply 40):
Honda (America's HQ, just moved from Los Angeles to CMH)

Honda's operations in Central Ohio are impressive (and growing), but the American Honda's headquarters is still technically in Torrance (see http://www.hondainamerica.com/us-investment-map). Honda is somewhere between Nissan and Toyota (as of today) in moving its operations from California to "flyover country."
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:21 pm

Quoting cmh235 (Reply 40):
Companies with headquarters/large operations in Columbus metro:

Excellent list. In addition, the Ohio State University accounts for a large amount of international traffic out of CMH. Also, Columbus houses several nonprofit headquarters, including the Battelle Memorial Institute ($6.2 bil in revenue and 22,000 employees worldwide).

Quoting cmh235 (Reply 40):
CMH is not at all a tourist destination so a flight to Europe would have to rely heavily on business, which probably could be done, more likely on a AA 752.
CMH isn't a tourist destination, but LON and connections within Europe are. BA/AA could factor tourism business into the potential market, but it would definitely be one-sided (CMH-LON).

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
One thing that the other two have that Columbus doesn't is surrounding towns that themselves generate some demand but lack air service (whether it's Rose-Hulman in Terre Haute or Hankook and Fort Campbell in Clarksville).

The catchment area for CMH is actually quite large. The entire Southeast quadrant of Ohio stretching along the Ohio River from Portsmouth up to Wheeling and across into West Virginia is considered part of the CMH catchment area. It stretches as far north as Mansfield and overlaps to the Southwest with Dayton and Cincinnati. The last figure I saw put the population of the CMH catchment area at 6-6.5 million.

A BA 787 flying CMH-LHR would be phenomenal, though I do agree that an AA 75L would probably a bit better suited to the market.

[Edited 2014-06-13 08:28:55]

[Edited 2014-06-13 08:38:24]
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:30 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 29):
shrinking cities like CLE, CVG, STL or DTW.


Uh, both Cincinnati and St. Louis are growing, not shrinking.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 34):
They have a more globally-minded economy and population.


Can you quantify that for me with hard numbers? You can say Columbus is more "globally minded" all you want yet the numbers don't bear that out. It still has the lowest international demand of the three C's in Ohio, and even Indianapolis or Nashville for that matter.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 29):
Absolutely. When I saw CHM in the title, it reminded me of Austin (to a lesser extent).


Austin had significantly higher international demand as well as significantly higher demand to London.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 29):
I also feel that many people in this forum in this kind of threads just look at GDP or population numbers but not at global trends of each of those metro areas.

Maybe, but how do these "global trends" explain the choice of CMH over places like IND or BNA?


I have yet to see any credibility that these are the cities BA is looking at, it all sounds more like a flight attendant rumor to me.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:38 pm

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 42):
It stretches as far north as Mansfield and overlaps to the Southwest with Dayton and Cincinnati. The last figure I saw put the population of the CMH catchment area at 6-6.5 million.

Can you show me how you get to 6.5 million without a lot of folks driving up from Cincinnati or over from Pittsburgh? Even if we assume that everyone who lives in Ohio but outside the Cleveland, Toledo, Akron-Canton and Cincinnati MSAs uses CMH (which is a silly assumption), that's only about 6 million people.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:42 pm

How about New Orleans for new service?
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:45 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 44):
Can you show me how you get to 6.5 million without a lot of folks driving up from Cincinnati or over from Pittsburgh? Even if we assume that everyone who lives in Ohio but outside the Cleveland, Toledo, Akron-Canton and Cincinnati MSAs uses CMH (which is a silly assumption), that's only about 6 million people.

I wish I still had the infographic, however this was back in my college days. Basically, the catchment area does include overlap, especially with Cincinnati/Dayton. This phenomenon may have diminished a bit since the CVG-hub heydays, but a significant amount of CMH passenger volume comes from the Cincinnati area since airfares at CVG are typically among the highest in the nation. So while Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dayton, etc. have their own catchment areas, they all experience a certain degree of overlap. And for the longest time, CMH has had the net gain in said overlap, especially in SW Ohio.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:47 pm

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 46):
So while Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dayton, etc. have their own catchment areas, they all experience a certain degree of overlap.

Okay, but as long as CVG has TATL service--which it will for the foreseeable future--why would someone drive to CMH for this flight?
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:55 pm

If MSY Was 2nd on the last list why are they even not on this one?
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:09 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 43):


Austin had significantly higher international demand as well as significantly higher demand to London.

Any idea how much of that demand was generated by the Univ. of Texas? I know universities can generate high international travel demand, especially, to the UK. So following that logic I can see how CMH would warrant being on the list. The question is how much international travel is generated by OSU?

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