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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:29 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 47):
Okay, but as long as CVG has TATL service--which it will for the foreseeable future--why would someone drive to CMH for this flight?

Oh certainly. Actually that flight does indeed syphon traffic from CMH. In the hub heyday, it was estimated that CMH experienced approximately 8% leakage to CVG for the intl nonstops that were available. However, the leakage on the other end from Cincinnati to CMH is/was greater. More people looking to escape higher fares than limited nonstop European service.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:36 pm

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 49):
The question is how much international travel is generated by OSU?

Quite a bit. This year OSU expects over 800 UNDERGRADUATE students from China alone. Granted, they're not going to go through LHR to get to CMH, but it's a small example of just how large of an international draw tOSU is.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:51 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 48):
If MSY Was 2nd on the last list why are they even not on this one?

It could have been a city they were looking at, but decided to go a different direction.

AUS is a much newer younger city so i think that might be the direction they want to head. PDX, CMH, SLC, and CLT all fit that mold of younger cities with strong growth potential so i think that would make the cities they are studying make sense. They might be watching the AUS numbers and change their mind but those choses make total sense to me instead of DTW, MCI, STL, MSY
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:55 pm

I wonder what impact, if any, the growing oil industry in Eastern Ohio may play into this. There's lots of Marcellus and Utica Shale currently being or about to be taken advantage of.

Which ties into this:

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 42):
The catchment area for CMH is actually quite large. The entire Southeast quadrant of Ohio stretching along the Ohio River from Portsmouth up to Wheeling and across into West Virginia is considered part of the CMH catchment area.


There are quite a few areas in Southeastern Ohio which are at least an hour's drive from the nearest commercial airport (unless you count PKB, which is EAS to the now-pulled down CLE hub and from which I've never seen fares at less-than-exorbitant levels) and, in some cases, CMH IS the nearest option as opposed to CRW, CAK, or PIT.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:32 pm

Quoting cmh235 (Reply 40):
CMH is not at all a tourist destination so a flight to Europe would have to rely heavily on business, which probably could be done, more likely on a AA 752.

Don't forget about cargo. Cargo is part of what is making BA's AUS-LHR service successful.

Austin's Trans-Atlantic Passenger Flight Reinvigorating Cargo Market
Laylan Copelin
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As 200 or so passengers fly directly to London or return to Austin each day, about 25,000 to 30,000 pounds of freight -- everything from computer equipment to Mexican peppers and Norwegian salmon -- goes with them.

[SNIP]

IAG Cargo officials say the route already is successful.

They said the cargo holds are 90 to 95 percent full -- both ways.

At AUS our total cargo is listed as either cargo (anything carried by Fedex, UPS, or other cargo carriers) or belly freight (anything carried by the passenger airlines.)

In March, BA's belly freight market share was 68.2% - carrying twice as much freight as all the other passenger airlines combined.

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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:34 pm

I also read on here that BA are looking to start PIT flights also.

I'm not too sure if it will happen but they have been looking into it.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:42 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 43):
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 29):Absolutely. When I saw CHM in the title, it reminded me of Austin (to a lesser extent).

Austin had significantly higher international demand as well as significantly higher demand to London.

Eh, the difference isn't that significant. ~1,300 daily international passengers to/from CMH and ~1,480 from AUS.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:45 pm

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 54):
Don't forget about cargo.

Didn't think about the cargo aspect. Not sure if there's that big of a pent-up demand for cargo shipments between Central Ohio and the UK specifically. I know the CRAA has been pursuing Cargolux to add a European flight to their 3x weekly HKG-ANC-LCK service, but other than that I'm not sure of the potential cargo market to Europe from Central Ohio.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:46 pm

BA will announce PDX at the ceremony for AS joining Oneworld.   
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:12 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 35):
I have to wonder if CMH-LHR is started by AA/BA if DL doesn't get jealous and try to start their own TATL service from CMH. CMH-LAX was typically 3-5x a week when DL was the only one on the route. Then AA started it and DL not only made it daily, but changed the Eastbound red-eye arriving at 6am to a daytime flight arriving at 6pm.


Great for CMH if that happens, I'd have a really hard time believing TWO daily TATL's could work. That's frankly a lot of daily TATL seats, especially keeping in mind that a good chunk would be onward connections. Granted London-Columbus could have a fair bit of O&D, but the flight would survive on the combination of O&D and connections. Similarly, the CVG-CDG flight works on O&D + connections + cargo, where the sum of the parts makes the numbers work. A second TATL flight wouldn't be able to reach that "number".
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:56 pm

CMH-LHR had an average total of 68 daily O&D pax in 2011..... that's 34 PDEW.

Okay, maybe 2011 numbers are a bit dated here, but really, how much could have they improved? Even if we give a generous 30% plus increase (10% for the last 3 years - compounded!) that will bring us up to about 45 PDEW. Is that enough?

BTW - same 2011 #s for:

PDX - 49 O&D PDEW,
BNA - 38 O&D PDEW,
CLT 82 O&D PDEW,
SLC 45 O&D PDEW, and
MSY - 42 O&D PDEW, while
AUS showed 50 PDEW before its service began........

A few more:

IND - 42 O&D PDEW,
CLE - 34 O&D PDEW,
CVG - 36 O&D PDEW,
STL - 39 O&D PDEW

All of the above are fantastic U.S. cities, and each have their unique contribution to offer. However, I could think of dozens of places outside of the U.S. that BA would want to use their 787s and valuable LHR slots.

 

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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:08 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 60):
CMH-LHR had an average total of 68 daily O&D pax in 2011..... that's 34 PDEW.

Okay, maybe 2011 numbers are a bit dated here, but really, how much could have they improved? Even if we give a generous 30% plus increase (10% for the last 3 years - compounded!) that will bring us up to about 45 PDEW. Is that enough?

Those are O&D passengers only. How many additional passengers might fly to LHR and then make a connection to somewhere else?

One should consider connecting passengers as well as O&D (for any potential city, not just CMH) when trying to determine whether a flight XXX-LHR might make sense for BA.

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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:11 pm

I'm curious to know how many Portland passengers are connecting thru Seattle on BA?
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:33 pm

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 61):
Those are O&D passengers only. How many additional passengers might fly to LHR and then make a connection to somewhere else?

Sure, but the trouble with that is that most of the "somerwhere elses" already have plentiful one-stop service over YYZ and various US hubs. What might make someone pick BA? Terminal 5 isn't a bad place to transfer (much better than EWR or JFK Terminal 2), and OneWorld loyalty might also be a factor. CMH probably has the ease of transfer factor going for it, as most of the hubs that do not require backtracking are not nice places to connect. I'm not so sure about loyalty to AA/OneWorld.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:41 pm

The market will certainly increase o&d on travel demand as alot of British people like to ski and visit american national parks. You will see alot of people flying into SLC and out of LAS or into DEN and out of SLC etc etc. There is alot of room for that route to grow.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:42 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 60):
CMH-LHR had an average total of 68 daily O&D pax in 2011..... that's 34 PDEW.

I suppose I should have included this earlier, but here is the last Columbus Regional Airport Authority analysis of passenger trends to Europe from CMH/DAY and Ohio (page 4):

http://columbusairports.com/files/pu...r_traffic_summary_and_analysis.pdf

The "Central Ohio" numbers are skewed though, as they include traffic data from both CMH and DAY. The average was calculated over a 12-month period ending Sept. 2013.

Even with an average of 80 PDEW, the flight would still be reliant on [high-yield] connecting traffic and other factors in order to make the route sustainable.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:53 pm

CMH was just ranked as the countries most intelligent city, Its also in the top 7 worldwide. Don't underestimate the Columbus economy, it's booming. Only Houston is growing faster.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:14 pm

I don't think you'll see BA flying to MSY from LHR. I've always thought that if it happens, it would be something like that 3X weekly service from LGW. We're more leisure oriented anyway. More Y would be useful.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:29 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 63):
CMH probably has the ease of transfer factor going for it, as most of the hubs that do not require backtracking are not nice places to connect. I'm not so sure about loyalty to AA/OneWorld.

US/AA combined for 29.3% market share in the report FlyCMH posted, which would overtake WN and DL who were neck-and-neck at the time.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:30 pm

I would like to see SLC. I've been hoping for years that DL would finally start that route but BA would be good. A slap in the face to Delta a little bit.

I think that most of these routes could work on at least a 757 if it can make it with range but LHR slots are way to valuable to try it when there are more options in the world.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:13 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 29):
Absolutely. When I saw CHM in the title, it reminded me of Austin (to a lesser extent).

It seems that BA is logically interested in developing strong, fast-developing US metro areas. SLC is also a logical step: steady job growth with some secondary offices for international companies (GS, AMEX, Adobe, eBay...) and high-end tourism. For places like CHM and AUS they would have the first-comer advantage.

I am not surprised that BA is not interested in developing shrinking cities like CLE, CVG, STL or DTW. I also feel that many people in this forum in this kind of threads just look at GDP or population numbers but not at global trends of each of those metro areas.

At the end of the day it reminds me (at another level) to the PHL VS BOS thread a few days ago. Boston is a prestigious city while Philly is not. Columbus, Salt Lake City or Austin are metros "on the rise" while Cleveland, Detroit or Saint Louis are decaying.

Unless you are relying on a.net perception index, real data suggests otherwise.

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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:52 pm

I don't see why PDX would even be looked at really. SEA is a 45min hop on AS.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:00 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 68):
US/AA combined for 29.3% market share in the report FlyCMH posted, which would overtake WN and DL who were neck-and-neck at the time.

I'm certainly not arguing that AA is inconsequential in CMH. It's not. But AA also doesn't have the historical track record there that it has in some of the other cities being tossed about in this thread, like STL and BNA.

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 70):
Unless you are relying on a.net perception index, real data suggests otherwise.

The trouble with your data, of course, is that most of the cities we are discussing (certainly including BNA, AUS and CMH, arguably IND and MSY too) don't necessarily grow or shrink with their states' economies. What you probably need is a "within 50 miles" or "within 100 miles" measure. That, of course, cuts out big chunks of most states and, in some cases, also crosses state lines.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:40 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 72):
The trouble with your data, of course, is that most of the cities we are discussing (certainly including BNA, AUS and CMH, arguably IND and MSY too) don't necessarily grow or shrink with their states' economies. What you probably need is a "within 50 miles" or "within 100 miles" measure. That, of course, cuts out big chunks of most states and, in some cases, also crosses state lines.

Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) haven't yet released GDP data by Metro area for 2013. But most growth in any state is driven by metro areas. It is unlikely state GDP will go in different direction than its Metros.

http://www.bea.gov/regional/index.htm
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:26 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 55):
I also read on here that BA are looking to start PIT flights also.

I'm not too sure if it will happen but they have been looking into it.

I'd like to see BA restart this service. It would make sense, but I think PIT is kinda "in between" places like CMH, AUS, and CLE or STL. It's neither shrinking, nor is it "booming." It might be inching towards the latter, tho...

Just curious, is that through an actual PR somewhere or was that through a.net chatter?
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:26 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
Maybe, but how do these "global trends" explain the choice of CMH over places like IND or BNA?

As market size goes IND and CMH are about dead even. But you have to consider catchment. IND draws from many places that fall outside of the MSA and CSA. There is a significant population base that it draws from. I also think Indianapolis would have a significant edge when it comes to global name recognition. But Indianapolis doesn't exactly have great leadership and I am confident that city leaders would blow any chance there was to land international service.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:29 am

Quoting toobz (Reply 71):
I don't see why PDX would even be looked at really. SEA is a 45min hop on AS.

DL operates PDX-AMS and SEA-AMS, so I bet BA could do the same with LHR.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:30 am

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 57):
Didn't think about the cargo aspect. Not sure if there's that big of a pent-up demand for cargo shipments between Central Ohio and the UK specifically.

BA already operates a CMH-JFK truck service for freight. As BA9172 it is scheduled to depart from CMH at 18:00 hrs in the evening and arrive at JFK at 10:00 hrs the following morning. So BA will have some knowledge of the cargo demand on the route.

Enter 'CMH' and 'LHR' on the boxes on the left here:

http://www.iagcargo.com/iagcargo/portlet/en/html/main

and the timetable will come up together with the other possible IAG Cargo routings between CMH and LHR that are listed down the left side of this page.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:39 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 77):

Isn't this commonplace though?

BA operates one from CLT to IAD.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 78):
Isn't this commonplace though?

Yes. Very commonplace. But what is your point?

Mine was clear, namely:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 77):
So BA will have some knowledge of the cargo demand on the route.

And the same applies to virtually every other possible route discussed in this thread.

So let me be clear. While BA have the same access to passenger data quoted by others in this thread they also have a good appreciation of the likely cargo demand, a demand that can make all the difference between success and failure.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:33 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 73):
But most growth in any state is driven by metro areas. It is unlikely state GDP will go in different direction than its Metros.

. . . presuming all metros are going in the same direction. But is that true in Indiana, Ohio or Tennessee? In Tennessee, I am certain it is not.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:41 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 80):

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 73):
But most growth in any state is driven by metro areas. It is unlikely state GDP will go in different direction than its Metros.

. . . presuming all metros are going in the same direction. But is that true in Indiana, Ohio or Tennessee? In Tennessee, I am certain it is not.

There's also the question as to how this translates to local economic vitality. West Virginia has one of the fastest growing GDPs (probably, like many states, due to energy production), yet is actually losing population.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:55 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 43):
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 29):
shrinking cities like CLE, CVG, STL or DTW.

Uh, both Cincinnati and St. Louis are growing, not shrinking.

Thank you. Demographic projections from ESRI show the St. Louis MSA adding a projected 100,000 residents from 2013 to 2018, along with a modest increase in median household income levels. From 2010 to 2013, the region added an estimated 40,000 people with the vast majority of population immigration coming from the millennial age demographic. The .06% population growth rate from 2010 to 2013 is greater than anything we've seen in recent past, while the projected .07% annual population growth rate is nearly double what was experienced (.038% annually) from 2000 to 2010.

St. Louis is on the way up, if anything. I don't believe it can support a daily BA 787 flight - the corporate community wouldn't even give $6 million in revenue guarantees, presumably for a DL AMS flight - but that may change in the future.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:12 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 62):

I'm curious to know how many Portland passengers are connecting thru Seattle on BA?

The BA SEA-LHR flight has PDX origin passengers every day, although I couldn't tell you what percentage. I would assume that BA would take the cannibalization of the SEA-LHR flight into account before starting a n/s to PDX.

Quoting toobz (Reply 71):

I don't see why PDX would even be looked at really. SEA is a 45min hop on AS

I expect BA is interested in PDX for the same reasons DL maintains a PDX-AMS flight, Nike, Adidas, Daimler, Freightliner, Intel.

Quoting kann123air (Reply 76):
DL operates PDX-AMS and SEA-AMS, so I bet BA could do the same with LHR.

Some have speculated that DL may discontinue Intl flights from PDX and run connections via SEA. I think DL has spent a lot time developing the PDX-AMS flight and it is a hit with business & leisure travellers, IMO the route will stay. But with the NRT hub disolving, I'm not as confident about PDX-NRT on DL.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:05 am

Quoting toobz (Reply 71):
I don't see why PDX would even be looked at really. SEA is a 45min hop on AS

This is precisely what travelers out of PDX don't want to do. Quite frankly it's a pain in the ass to either drive to or fly thru Sea-Tac when, providing the service is available directly from Portland (as in the case of Delta n/s to AMS) people will take advantage more frequently of the n/s.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:47 pm

I live in CMH and honestly, this has suspended before it launches written all over it.

If AF/KL/DL would try a flight to either AMS or CDG on a 757 or 787 if they had it; it could work 3x weekly. Or at least they'd give it a try. I don't think AF has an aircraft type that would work on the thin route, any of their widebodies are too big.

BA and specifically the AA fan base is light here, but the DL fan base is pretty good.

All that being said, it's not going to happen. If anything, I'd love to see AA or DL offer mainline flights to BOS or JFK for connection opportunities, that would be a big step forward. DL mainline for Transatlantic goes through ATL, which is fine actually - I don't mind it, honestly prefer it to DL Connection to DTW/BOS/MSP...
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:48 pm

CLT has to be automatic given the connections beyond with 1W now.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 86):
CLT has to be automatic given the connections beyond with 1W now

Agreed.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:10 pm

Btw, I saw this and for some reason remember about this thread

http://www.citylab.com/work/2014/06/...g-to-very-different-places/372065/

Interesting to see where Columbus, Salt Lake City, Charlotte and Portland fall (and Austin). More interestingly, it is possible to break it according to educational degree.

Then you can compare to places like Cleveland or St. Louis.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:17 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 88):
Btw, I saw this and for some reason remember about this threadhttp://www.citylab.com/work/2014/06/...g-to-very-different-places/372065/Interesting to see where Columbus, Salt Lake City, Charlotte and Portland fall (and Austin). More interestingly, it is possible to break it according to educational degree. Then you can compare to places like Cleveland or St. Louis.

Interesting, looks like Chicago can be lumped with places like Cleveland and St. Louis in this comparison.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:05 pm

CY AA slots for an afternnon BA to PDX ?
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:15 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 83):
But with the NRT hub disolving, I'm not as confident about PDX-NRT on DL.

I'd put $50 down right now that NH will pick up PDX-NRT if DL discontinues it. Maybe JL, but I'd bet NH more likely.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:26 pm

Quoting SEAtown (Reply 58):

BA will announce PDX at the ceremony for AS joining Oneworld.

Great minds think alike  

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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:24 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 91):
I'd put $50 down right now that NH will pick up PDX-NRT if DL discontinues it. Maybe JL, but I'd bet NH more likely.

Or perhaps even KE starting PDX-ICN.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:22 am

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 93):
Or perhaps even KE starting PDX-ICN.

Sure DL would love that...
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:33 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 35):

I have to wonder if CMH-LHR is started by AA/BA if DL doesn't get jealous and try to start their own TATL service from CMH. CMH-LAX was typically 3-5x a week when DL was the only one on the route. Then AA started it and DL not only made it daily, but changed the Eastbound red-eye arriving at 6am to a daytime flight arriving at 6pm.

wont happen.

Now having said that I expect if BA started SLC that Delta would be all over it. I am sure between AF/KL/AZ/VS a slot can be found. (ahem, mostly looking at you AF)
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:50 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 95):
wont happen.

Agreed 100%. Reality is whoever doesn't start CMH-Europe wins. Whoever tries it will lose.
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:48 am

Other than CLT, I see PDX and that's about it.
 
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:04 am

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 31):

It was CLE-LGW on the 752. Flew it sometime in 2005 or 2006
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RE: BA Lookng At PDX, CMH, SLC And CLT

Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:07 am

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 98):
Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 31):

It was CLE-LGW on the 752. Flew it sometime in 2005 or 2006

The route switched to Heathrow before being discontinued n 2009.
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