|Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 69):|
An indication that the DFW routes to the new Asian markets will not sell well in premium and that the new AA cannot make it as a premium airline? Too bad, because its coach service is just bloody awful.
I am with you, and think the same thing happens to AA
routes to Europe and South American. For Asia, those seem to be routes that need a more balanced plane than what AA
has today on the 777-200. So going to an all J and Y plane and reducing the number of premium seats while increasing the number of coach seats makes sense. It is like BA
, that has sub fleets of 777s (premium heavy and less premium heavy). AA
does not want to have sub fleets, and looks like that is why they have the 77W premium heavy, to avoid 772 sub fleets. The 77W takes on routes that can handle that configuration and make money, like JFK
. Then they will have a 772 with a different mix than that of the 77W for routes than can not handle F, like DFW
during the summer or MIA
during the winter. But that does not mean that ALL AA
long haul routes can not handle F it the 3 continents they serve. Maybe HKG
will be an Asian new route that will be able to handle F and the huge J configuration airplane, and so will NRT
in the future. But China and Korea does not seem to be routes that can handle premium heavy planes like the 777-200 configuration AA
has currently. I think AA
is making a smart move and if it was me, I would definitely go to at least 290 seats on those planes. Even if that means 3-4-3 all over coach. But again, great to see a small section of 3-3-3 for people willing to pay an extra in Y to AA
or have premium frequent flyer status.
To me, the new AA
J seat on the 77W is amazing, and even if it takes more physical space than DL
J seat uses in their 772. If they are installing those from the 77W on the 772, and still use more space than DL
does, well, it might be worth it even if Y has to go 3-4-3 instead of DL
3-3-3 to make for the lost space. I still think that the average Y passenger books the cheapest ticket they can find for their intended route. If not, EK
would be empty and QR
would be flying full.
|Quoting ripcordd (Reply 74):|
It's not that they cant sell F to ASIA I think F vs J there is very very little difference btwn the 2 anymore and for a couple thousand more it's really not worth it. I think it will 3 class J Y+ Y as the new standard cabin.
Well, I also think like that, and think that is the new trend. After experiencing AA
's new J seat on the 77W, I just could not see why someone would pay more to be in the F section. The J seat is amazing and every seat has a fully flat bed with isle access and lots of space. I even like J on the 77W more than F on the 772. But then, again, I keep forgetting that that is just me and I should never forget and also research on why JFK
have F sections that sell really well. This might indicate that there is more to F than just the amazing seat, and that is something that super rich people or super important people like high rank executives with Fortune 500 corporations can tell. But again, there are also FEW routes that can justify the extra F cabin on AA
's planes. But seems to be working really well for AA
with their A321T routes and 77W s to JFK