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New Scimitar Winglets

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:38 pm

Hello everyone already are watching the planes with the new scimitar winglets are added to the current one here in malaga flysunwing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-tq0ZzWtOg
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:01 pm

A few airlines already have them, TUI Travel just added them last week.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpb7O03CYAA1mGX.jpg:large
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:40 pm

seems the installed whole group
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:52 pm

I have a question. How I can do to put the direct elink video?
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:54 pm

Quoting ivanpaneque (Reply 3):
How I can do to put the direct elink video?

You have to remove the https:// from the url.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-tq0ZzWtOg

versus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-tq0ZzWtOg

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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:49 pm

thanks for the info friend
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:48 pm

what is C-FEAK doing in AGP? seems to be a long way from home. are they doing wetlease flights during summer season in southern europe?
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:15 pm

I saw a Southwest 737-800 in PHL the other day with the new winglets but the bottom winglets were not installed . You could see the grove where they were supposed to be placed though .
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:42 pm

Wonder if that's the same Southwest plane I saw a picture of last night, with a winglet strake broken in half.
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:44 pm

Quoting txlbased (Reply 6):
what is C-FEAK doing in AGP? seems to be a long way from home. are they doing wetlease flights during summer season in southern europe?

Leased by Thomson for the summer IIRC...
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:07 pm

Quoting etops1 (Reply 7):

I saw a Southwest 737-800 in PHL the other day with the new winglets but the bottom winglets were not installed . You could see the grove where they were supposed to be placed though .

So apparently it's available as either a new unit or as a kit to change the existing winglet.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:25 pm

Quoting n797mx (Reply 9):

Leased by Thomson for the summer IIRC...

THX for that, i didn´t know that
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:36 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr_kVwZ6HP4

thomson another plane this same also with winglets
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:47 pm

I think the other companies who have installed and are aeromexico and southwest. anyone have them?
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:54 pm

United has them as well .
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:18 am

WS and AS also have them.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:33 am

I have also read that the 737Max scimitar winglets are different than those on the current 738. Does anyone know the difference?
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:38 am

How long is the out of service time for a mod to an existing winglet?
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:49 am

I think there is only difference in fuel economy
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:38 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 16):

I have also read that the 737Max scimitar winglets are different than those on the current 738. Does anyone know the difference?

From what I understand, it's just a modification to the existing winglet with a cap to make the top part more pointy and streamlined, if that makes sense.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:05 am

Quoting catiii (Reply 17):
How long is the out of service time for a mod to an existing winglet?

Just a day, I think.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:28 am

Quoting Acey (Reply 19):
From what I understand, it's just a modification to the existing winglet with a cap to make the top part more pointy and streamlined, if that makes sense

This is true, but it can only be done after the original modification. You can't just plug a modified winglet/scimitar onto a 700/800 wing, I think. I am very sure about this but I will not say 100% that I am right. I believe there are some mods that have to be done to install the Scimitar winglets.

Yes, there has already been one that has been "cracked" in half. An 800 got hit! I wonder if all of the repairs are cost effective. Same with the regular winglets. I have seen hundreds that have been severely damaged due to lightening strikes. The original wingtip would not have had any damage, IMO. I sure hope the bookkeepers look at the total price.

Guess, what they don't. They see the fuel numbers, they never see the cost incurred for replacements. Kinda like the CIA and the FBI. WOW. rant off.
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:30 pm

I don't remember what press release it was in, but somebody from UA who said he expects them to get hit... but the fuel savings were enough to offset it, and then some.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:36 pm

Quoting crownvic (Reply 16):
I have also read that the 737Max scimitar winglets are different than those on the current 738. Does anyone know the difference?

737-800/-900ER/-700 Scimitar APB



737MAX Scimitar Boeing
http://www.aviationnews.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/United_737_Max-Winglet.jpg

Quoting catiii (Reply 17):
How long is the out of service time for a mod to an existing winglet?

If you have the new Scimitar ready to install, it takes about 14 days to modify the wing with doublers for the new Scimitar winglets. If you throw a big crew 24hrs a day at the wing work, heard it can come down to about a week or just under. Lots of wing reinforcement going in there.

[Edited 2014-06-15 13:40:45]
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:37 pm

United will start doing 10-15 Scimitar Winglet installations a month starting in July. 737-800s, 737-900ERs, and 737-700s.

[Edited 2014-06-15 13:39:41]
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:52 pm

I flew out of SEA yesterday and saw two, maybe three, 737-800s with the APB Scimitar Winglets. Seems like they're getting installed pretty quickly across global fleets.

They look a little funky in pics, but look pretty cool in person. My favorite view is from behind (looking at the tail), reminds me of an MD-11.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:51 pm

WN has started getting them a lot in PHX.

I have seen the following while spotting at KPHX. I have not been able to spot much, but I have seen one on the last three trips.

N8302F
N8601C
N8624J

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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:41 pm

It seems AS is sticking LED strobes in their scimitar -800s. Flew one the other night and noticed the LEDs on the wing.

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 27):
I have seen the following while spotting at KPHX. I have not been able to spot much, but I have seen one on the last three trips.

There was one sitting at the maintenance bay today. Looked really shiny and new.
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:45 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 28):
It seems AS is sticking LED strobes in their scimitar -800s. Flew one the other night and noticed the LEDs on the wing.

Agree, You can really tell the difference from the non-led planes. I was walking to the gym in the winter and you could really see the difference.
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:32 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 24):

If you have the new Scimitar ready to install, it takes about 14 days to modify the wing with doublers for the new Scimitar winglets. If you throw a big crew 24hrs a day at the wing work, heard it can come down to about a week or just under. Lots of wing reinforcement going in there.

[Edited 2014-06-15 13:40:45]

CALTECH..Your images back up my inquiry, but we are also comparing a photo to a rendering (on the MAX). Do you know for a fact that the MAX is going to have this style scimitar winglet or is it speculation based on Boeing information that is frequently misleading?
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:51 am

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 27):
WN has started getting them a lot in PHX.

I have seen the following while spotting at KPHX. I have not been able to spot much, but I have seen one on the last three trips.

N8302F
N8601C
N8624J

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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:38 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 30):
CALTECH..Your images back up my inquiry, but we are also comparing a photo to a rendering (on the MAX). Do you know for a fact that the MAX is going to have this style scimitar winglet or is it speculation based on Boeing information that is frequently misleading?

Boeing is putting it out there. It seems to be what they have settled on. Whether it is accurate or the final product, who knows.

http://www.nycaviation.com/newspage/wp-content/gallery/photos-from-farnborough-2012/737-max-winglet.jpg



It has changed from the earlier configuration.

http://www.aviationnews.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/737-MAX.jpg

This does seem to be the latest config, but they might get the pointy tip caps like the 737NG Scimitars.

http://www.boeing.co.uk/BoeingUK/media/BoeingUK/News%20and%20Media%20Room/2013/737MAXATWingletlargeforweb.jpg?width=900&height=506&ext=.jpg
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:41 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 30):

There has been max scimitar winglets already produced and displayed. The biggest difference that appears to me is that the Mad's will be a single piece winglets while the APB is obviously two.

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/...tries-on-new-winglet-the-scimitar/

Btw, how do we say scimitar? Is it skim-ih-tar or is the c silent and you say it sim-i-tar
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:51 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 24):
737MAX Scimitar
Quoting crownvic (Reply 16):
737Max scimitar winglets
Quoting flightsimer (Reply 33):
max scimitar winglets

The winglets on the 737 MAX are called Boeing Advanced Technology (AT) Winglets. They are in no way related to the 737NG Scimitar winglets, nor have they ever been called as such.
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:09 am

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 33):
There has been max scimitar winglets already produced and displayed. The biggest difference that appears to me is that the Mad's will be a single piece winglets while the APB is obviously two.

Think Boeing says it is two separate parts, the upper 'feather' and the lower 'feather' as Boeing puts it.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 33):
Btw, how do we say scimitar? Is it skim-ih-tar or is the c silent and you say it sim-i-tar

Believe it is the second one, sim-i-tar.

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 34):
The winglets on the 737 MAX are called Boeing Advanced Technology (AT) Winglets. They are in no way related to the 737NG Scimitar winglets, nor have they ever been called as such.

Quite true, though they look a lot like the APB Scimitars, from a distance. Heard Boeing calls them 'dual feather' winglets. The name 'Scimitar' IIRC, refers to the pointy tip caps on the APB winglets.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:29 am

Quoting Acey (Reply 22):
I don't remember what press release it was in, but somebody from UA who said he expects them to get hit... but the fuel savings were enough to offset it, and then some.

Make for a good "go / no-go" gauge for future employment at an airport. Can't miss the lower winglet, time to find something new to do before you put a hole in something really expensive like an engine or fuselage.
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:25 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 24):
If you have the new Scimitar ready to install, it takes about 14 days to modify the wing with doublers for the new Scimitar winglets. If you throw a big crew 24hrs a day at the wing work, heard it can come down to about a week or just under. Lots of wing reinforcement going in there.

I heard that if the wing could take the Blended Winglet, then the Split Scimitar would also work. In the pic you show, it seems to be a bolt-on to the existing winglet.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 24):
737MAX Scimitar Boeing

Boeing's winglet was designed in-house and is not called Scimitar. It is called the Advanced Technology Winglet (ATW). I believe the word "Scimitar" is a proprietary name for APB and can only be used with their license on wingtip devices.

Boeing's wingtip is a device with two feathers of comparable size, both occupying the entire chord of the wingtip.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:45 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 37):
I heard that if the wing could take the Blended Winglet, then the Split Scimitar would also work. In the pic you show, it seems to be a bolt-on to the existing winglet.

Nope. They mount the same way on the wingtip, but they are different animals. Wings get extensive work for the Scimitars.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 37):
Quoting CALTECH (Reply 24):737MAX Scimitar Boeing
Boeing's winglet was designed in-house and is not called Scimitar.

Already explained above. Boeing has referred to them as dual feather winglets.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:19 am

I guess it won't be long until we see the first pictures showing a ripped-off or damaged lower feather. This is not meant to be cynical but if we apply Murphy's law ... I noticed that in case of the TUI Fly 737 they marked the lower edge of the lower feather with red colour.
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:45 pm

Thomson Airways currently have 5 737-800's with Scimitar winglets fitted:

G-FDZF
G-FDZJ
G-FDZW
G-FDZY
G-TAWD

Plus C-FEAK and C-FTJH on lease summer from Sunwing which are based at BFS

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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:13 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 33):

Sim-i-tar, like the sword...
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:32 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 38):
Already explained above. Boeing has referred to them as dual feather winglets.

That is the generic term for them. The proprietary name is "Advanced Technology Winglet."
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:38 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 42):
That is the generic term for them. The proprietary name is "Advanced Technology Winglet."

Already explained above. Boeing has referred to them as dual feather winglets. And whoever told you ' I heard that if the wing could take the Blended Winglet, then the Split Scimitar would also work. In the pic you show, it seems to be a bolt-on to the existing winglet', was way off.

Quoting catiii (Reply 41):
Sim-i-tar, like the sword...

  

http://airchive.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/medium.jpg


Though seeing them more and more, they remind me of Eagle Talons.

http://wallpaperswiki.com/wallpapers/2012/10/Bald-Eagle-Talons-At-The-Ready-1050x1680.jpg
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:02 pm

Quoting jetset7e7 (Reply 40):
Thomson Airways currently have 5 737-800's with Scimitar winglets fitted:

G-FDZF
G-FDZJ
G-FDZW
G-FDZY
G-TAWD

Here are the other operators that I have been able to confirm, based on photographs or personal sightings:

United:

N73259
N37277
N76288

Sunwing, in addition to C-FEAK and C-FTJH mentioned above:

C-GOFW
C-FYLC
C-FTDW
C-FLSW
C-FTOH
C-GOWG
C-GNCH
C-FFPH

Alaska:

N524AS
N546AS
N556AS
N557AS
N558AS
N583AS
N585AS
N568AS
N587AS
N588AS

TUIfly (Germany):

D-ATUC
D-ATUD
D-ATUI

Air Transat:

C-GTQB

TUIfly Nordic:

SE-RFV
SE-RFX
SE-RFY

Arke (TUIfly Nederland):

PH-TFA
PH-TFB
PH-TFC

WestJet:

C-GWRG
C-FWIJ
C-FRWA
C-GKWA
C-GVWA

Southwest:

N8301J
N8302F
N8303R
N8305E
N8306H
N8307K
N8312C
N8314L
N8600F
N8601C
N8602F
N8603F
N8624J
N8625A
N8626B
N8627B
N8628A
N8629A
N8630B

AeroMexico:

XA-AMA
XA-AMJ
XA-AMG

Copa:

HP-1836CMP
HP-1837CMP


There are others that I have reason to believe have had the split-scimitars installed, but have yet to confirm this visually. In addition, some recent deliveries to these operators may have them installed prior to the planes entering service.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:24 am

As I recall reading on this very forum; when the winglets are removed they are shipped back to the manufacturer to be disassembled and the inner support structure is reused with the new Scimitar outer surfaces.
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:46 pm

Wonder if there are any plans to offer a 757 scimitar? On TATL missions, seems like they might add needed range that could keep some flying until the 737/320 replacements come on line (not MAX/NEO).
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:27 pm

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 46):
On TATL missions, seems like they might add needed range that could keep some flying until the 737/320 replacements come on line (not MAX/NEO).

With the 757 fleet being rapidly retired from most major operators, would there be enough interest to justify the design and certification expenses?
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:32 pm

I'm wondering why FR hasn't gone for these yet
 
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RE: New Scimitar Winglets

Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:27 pm

Does anyone know if Caribbean have any plans?
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