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Quoting trnswrld (Reply 4): Did you even listen to the tapes? Answer your own question, it's simple how it happened. I'm not saying that it's ok for a controller to joke, but had the pilot not keyed up while the controller was still talking this wouldn't have happened. |
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 4): Well whatever, I personally thought the controller sounded very professional and was doing a great job. Like already said it was just an unfortunate thing. No one will get in trouble especially when they hear the tapes. |
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 4): Did you even listen to the tapes? Answer your own question, it's simple how it happened. I'm not saying that it's ok for a controller to joke, but had the pilot not keyed up while the controller was still talking this wouldn't have happened. |
Quoting catiii (Reply 10): Right, so it's the pilot's fault for keying the mike to acknowledge the go around. Unreal... |
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 12): I said its unfortunate that the pilot keyed up so quickly that the next word didn't even roll off the controllers tongue. |
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 7): As far as timing goes, I wouldn't necessarily say the plane was about to touch down. In the U.S planes are typically atleast a few miles out when they first call tower and get landing clearance. |
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 13): Just look at this at 2:40 and after. The power starts coming up within a second of the go around call, and the gear is on the way up in 2 seconds. |
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 12): |
Quoting peterjohns (Reply 19): What I would like to know is- How did this become public? |
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 16): I guarantee you the captain has already called for the go-around and the FO is starting his duties. |
Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 20): Unless the pilots complained about it..... |
Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 20): I was wondering that too for some odd reason. Who is initiating the investigation to get the FAA involved. Does DL want the FAA to foot the fuel bill for the unnecessary go around? Unless the pilots complained about it..... |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 26): Is it a standard protocol for pilot to comment about gate assignment on final. Pilot should have told controller long before. I think controller just responded to pilot's surprise comment about gate assignment. Controller: "630, clear to land" Pilot: "I don't have a gate yet" Controller: (You got to be kidding, telling now) "Go around, just kidding, park somewhere" |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 26): Is it a standard protocol for pilot to comment about gate assignment on final. |
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 29): Safety was NEVER jeopardized. |
Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 33): Maybe 1000$? |
Quoting moose135 (Reply 2): How does a controller "joke" about giving a go around command to an aircraft on final? |
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 34): I disagree. It might have. Go arounds are designed to be safe, but the controller saying it was a joke and to continue could have been dangerous... Think about it, what if the pilots had "get-home-itis" and said screw it, we're gonna land and they tried to salvage the approach after going off profile? In that case the pilots would be at fault but the controller would still be for his joke. Keep in mind, when you get a go around call, you don't take a few seconds to have a chat and wonder if it's just a joke. It's power-TOGA-flaps-positive rate-gear up. That is FAST... As in you hear "go around" and the PF repeats go around to the PM and is advancing the thrust lever while hitting TOGA and commanding flaps to whatever go aroubds are in the 777. That is all done in probably a second... The plane starts to climb and after a positive rate the gear is commanded up. You don't think it's a safety threat to have the pilots in the middle of this then hearing it's a joke and, heaven forbid, deciding to continue the approach? Even in this short time, they will be off profile, and trying to salvage a bad approach is DANGEROUS |
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 35): Fire the clown. He can find work in the circus or try his hand at stand up comedy in night clubs. Says a lot about the FAA's safety attitude that the guy would even consider saying this as a joke. |
Quoting migair54 (Reply 30): After a Go-Around pilots need to fill a form usually, |
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 29): Its too bad now that no pilot or controller has any privacy with all these frequencies streaming online |
Quoting peterjohns (Reply 37): That I find hard to believe. It would be very safety comprimising, as when in doubt , the pilots might want to force a landing in order to avert the paper work. That can´t be. |
Quoting migair54 (Reply 30): I dont think the pilot should have said anything about the parking to the tower either, just land, leave the runway and solve the problem later with ground control and operations, when peacefully on ground. |
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 31): Judging from the professional part of the controller's response, I'd say it's normal for ATL. Obviously, the pilots have to alert somebody that they have nowhere to go after they land, and I'd imagine that that need is more acute with an aircraft the size of the 777 |
Quoting peterjohns (Reply 37): That I find hard to believe. It would be very safety comprimising, as when in doubt , the pilots might want to force a landing in order to avert the paper work. That can´t be. |
Quoting Acey (Reply 40): ATC does paperwork for a missed approach in Canada, and it is reported. |
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 29): Its too bad now that no pilot or controller has any privacy with all these frequencies streaming online. |
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 29): Safety was NEVER jeopardized. |
Quoting peterjohns (Reply 41): I must check this out if it is true for us as well. I work ACC and haven´t been in the TWR for some years. But I believe we don´t fill out any forms- as it would, in doubt, may cause the controller (or Pilot) to be reluctant to do the right thing because of paper work, interview etc. |
Quoting EGPH (Reply 44): Very poor show from the controller there. I'm no pilot, and sorry for armchair piloting here but I'd imagine most pilots, as soon as they hear the words "Go around" will initiate the procedure. So even a quick joke like that will trigger most pilots into the procedure. Am I right? |
Quoting 2175301 (Reply 45): I work in a different industry (Nuclear Power); and some things are never ever acceptable to say to the control operators in any form of a joke. While it will not get you fired; it will get you at least reassigned to other duties and more training. This Controller should be immediately suspended and should not be working in an active control tower for a while. Period. This is not just a quick talking to. While go-arounds are normal occurrences and can be executed safely; they do in fact decrease the factor of safety from a normal landing. |
Quoting azjubilee (Reply 43): Paperwork is generally the last thing on our minds when making decisions that affect the safety of flight. And making it a policy to not have to do paperwork because it may deter people from doing the right thing is equally as silly. |
Quoting lhrnue (Reply 25): Somebody made a mistake which lead to the execution of a safety procedure. |
Quoting peterjohns (Reply 41): I must check this out if it is true for us as well. I work ACC and haven´t been in the TWR for some years. But I believe we don´t fill out any forms- as it would, in doubt, may cause the controller (or Pilot) to be reluctant to do the right thing because of paper work, interview etc. |
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 42): Let's ask the Delta crew their opinion on that. |