New Zealand Aviation Thread 145

planemanofnz · Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:09 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 49):
CX are a frequency based carrier though to so they would probably rather do 14x AKL than 11x AKL 3x CHC.

Yes, but:
a) CX have now gotten an additional daily service that they didn't have before, through their partnership with NZ; and
b) Although being frequency driven in the past, CX are moving towards opening new low-frequency ports too - think MAN, ZRH etc.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 46):

I wonder what they will do with the spare aircraft. They could lease them out? I've heard NF are looking for a spare frame. FJ may need an additional narrow-body in peak periods too.

ZK-NBT · Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:23 am

Quoting planemanofnz (Reply 50):
Yes, but:
a) CX have now gotten an additional daily service that they didn't have before, through their partnership with NZ; and
b) Although being frequency driven in the past, CX are moving towards opening new low-frequency ports too - think MAN, ZRH etc.

Look at SYD and MEL, sure there is more demand but CX fly 3-4 daily from there to meet different connection banks. MAN and ZRH are new though, ZRH will be daily from day 1, which is the same as what FRA is, MAN has been rumoured for ages, they will go 6 daily to LHR if they can get slots! I agree CX are in expansion mode for a usually conservative carrier.

Quoting planemanofnz (Reply 50):
I wonder what they will do with the spare aircraft. They could lease them out? I've heard NF are looking for a spare frame. FJ may need an additional narrow-body in peak periods too.

I'm thinking ZQN services.

777ER · Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:04 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 49):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 48):
Looks like its heading towards the Chatham Islands. What aircraft is it?
Baloons. Was at 63000 feet earlier.

I think one of those ballons landed in the sea today judging by the earlier claim that two were in the area, which caused an emergency response for a crashed aircraft

Google has promised to reimburse a rescue helicopter crew for an unnecessary flight after one of their wi-fi balloons falling into the sea sparked an emergency response.

Police received a call at 11.25am today from a member of public reporting that a plane had crashed into the sea off the Hurunui River mouth, near Cheviot.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1018...Google-to-reimburse-rescue-chopper

byronicle6 · Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:14 pm

Anyone know what NZ784 ZK-OJB is doing? FR24 is showing it circling off the coast of Whitianga for about the last hour at 15,000 ft, after turning back en route to IUE.

zkncj · Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:23 pm

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 53):
Anyone know what NZ784 ZK-OJB is doing? FR24 is showing it circling off the coast of Whitianga for about the last hour at 15,000 ft, after turning back en route to IUE.

Probably is over weight, so needs to burn off fuel before landing back at AKL

AKL is showing the flight being due back in at 12.30

777ER · Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:27 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 53):

Suspected engineering issues forced its return http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...186051/Air-NZ-jet-forced-to-return

nz2 · Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:54 am

Can any one advise if there are any drawbacks sitting in 1A on the 773, like only 1 window or similar, or would it be better sitting a row or two further back?

thanks

Mr AirNZ · Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:22 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 56):
Can any one advise if there are any drawbacks sitting in 1A on the 773, like only 1 window or similar, or would it be better sitting a row or two further back?

I have travelled in 1A before. I can't think of anything remarkable about it that would make me want to avoid it. Some people are concerned about galley noise but I am not one of them nor can I even remember hearing much except perhaps during the meal services.

aklrno · Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:23 am

You won't be looking out the window much since the seat faces away. You will be looking at the galley and everyone heading to and from the lav.

If you are on a transpacific flight the window matters little because for about 99% of the time it is dark or over ocean.

My favorites are 7a 7b 9a or 9b so I can be first out and first to the immigration line.

777ER · Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:35 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 56):

If your concerned about galley noise/people waiting for the toilet then 1A isn't the seat for you cause you can see everyone. The lights from the galley could also be bothersome. Window views is just the same as any other J 777 seat

planemanofnz · Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:44 am

Just saw over on the Australian thread that QF is launching a new transit offering to entice passengers travelling between South America and Asia to go through SYD.

Called Sydney Connect, customers travelling from BUE/GRU/GIG/SCL via SYD to SIN/BKK/HKG/MNL/CGK/PVG will be offered a complimentary night of accommodation in Sydney.

See: http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...rican-customers-travelling-to-asia

Hindering QF's ability to fully exploit this market is the fact that:

(i) Many of these passengers need an Australian transit visa to go through SYD (unlike AKL)
(ii) QF only offer 3x weekly non-stop SCL-SYD services (LA offer daily SCL-AKL services)

While I appreciate this topic has been discussed to death, I do hope NZ can sort out a strategy for South America soon. Is there really no possibility of the 747's being initially used until ETOPS issues with the 787 are sorted out?

Mr AirNZ · Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:00 am

Quoting planemanofnz (Reply 60):
Is there really no possibility of the 747's being initially used until ETOPS issues with the 787 are sorted out?

This late in the piece I think it's safe to say there is about as much chance of a 744 staying and launching South America as there is of a DC-10 being reacquired to fly to South America. The 744s are both sold off, they ain't sticking around. SUH will be scrap metal and parts in the not too distant future.

[Edited 2014-06-22 02:01:06]

777ER · Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:13 am

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 61):
SUH will be scrap metal and parts in the not too distant future.

Is this the one going to Alice Springs? I've heard the other one has been purchased by GE

ZK-NBT · Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:29 am

NZ increasing AKL-MEL during DEC JAN to 24 weekly, extra 3 flights ops with A320s.

AKL 1000 MEL 1205
MEL 1305 AKL 1845

Timed within 90 mins or so of the 77W service. While frequency is important here i'd have thought they would use the 763 on the afternoon service instead but that shows Daily A320s. The 763 runs to BNE several times weekly instead, which is happening already currently.

Interesting as Jetconnect move more flights to Jetstar NZ increase.

777ER · Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:38 pm

Looks like AI is joining star on July 11th AI Set To Join Star Alliance...,, (by flyenthu Jun 23 2014 in Civil Aviation) Wonder what code share routes will come out of this for NZ? Any word on NZs deal with 9W in terms of Airpoints?

xiaotung · Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:49 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 64):
Wonder what code share routes will come out of this for NZ? Any word on NZs deal with 9W in terms of Airpoints?

Come 11 July, Airpoints will be the only programme to be able to earn and redeem on both AI and 9W. Never understood the purpose of the 9W deal.

I also don't think there will be any code share routes as it was made clear access to India will be made through SQ alliance.

ZKOJH · Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:39 am

Air New Zealand to retime Dunedin-Auckland service

The recently announced addition of a new Airbus A320 aircraft to Air New Zealand’s domestic fleet will enable the airline to retime the direct morning service between Dunedin and Auckland once the aircraft joins the fleet early next year.

Earlier this month the airline announced a significant investment in new Airbus aircraft including an additional A320 to join its domestic operation. Air New Zealand accelerated the purchase of this 15th domestic A320 to allow improvements to the Dunedin-Auckland schedule.

From March 2015 the airline will operate an earlier direct return service between the two cities with the flight departing Auckland at 7.25am and making the return leg from Dunedin at 9.55am.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU140...etime-dunedin-auckland-service.htm

ZKOJH · Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:09 am

Now we have a full break down on the QF reductions for the MEL/SYD - AKL route for NW14

Melbourne – Auckland Service reduces from 21 to 14 weekly

QF151 MEL0715 – 1255AKL 73H D
QF155 MEL1840 – 0020+1AKL 73H D

QF152 AKL0655 – 0905MEL 73H D
QF154 AKL1700 – 1910MEL 73H D

Sydney – Auckland Service reduces from 35 to 27 weekly

you can read the full breakdown at http://airlineroute.net/2014/06/25/qf-akl-nw14/

aerorobnz · Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:28 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 67):
Now we have a full break down on the QF reductions for the MEL/SYD - AKL route for NW14

Not actually a massive change. It's exactly the flights I expected too.

ZK-NBT · Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:20 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 68):

Not actually a massive change. It's exactly the flights I expected too.

No its not. I thought they would drop the morning MEL-AKL with the EK service only an hour later and operate a late morning MEL-AKL, I thought they would also keep a early mid afternoon AKL-MEL will be 1700 with EK at 1850. AKL-BNE pm service goes from 1530 to 1700 aswell. And SYD-AKL has 0950, 1055 then nothing until 1655, AKL-SYD is better.

There is some extra peak season QF services that look to be ops by VH registered aircraft on both MEL/SYD-AKL.

HLZCPH · Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:44 pm

It appears that a B77W is heading up to SFO as NZ8 tonight. I think that's a first?
And many more to come.

sunrisevalley · Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:31 pm

I understand that -NZE's handing over ceremony takes place on June 30th. Is the date for the delivery flight fixed yet?

Mr AirNZ · Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:38 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 62):
Is this the one going to Alice Springs? I've heard the other one has been purchased by GE

I too have heard exactly that but I've not been privy to info to confirm whether that is actually the case. SUH is scrap, NBV for GE if it holds true.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 71):
I understand that -NZE's handing over ceremony takes place on June 30th. Is the date for the delivery flight fixed yet?

Arrives in New Zealand on the 11th of July.

aerorobnz · Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:37 am

Quoting HLZCPH (Reply 70):
I think that's a first?

I can think of 3 occasions I have worked where it ended up being a 77W but probably first scheduled.

ZKOJH · Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:48 am

"Pilot put 134 people at risk - transport watchdog"

A pilot put the safety of six crew and 128 passengers at risk when he failed to initiate a mandatory missed approach when landing in foggy conditions, a transport watchdog has determined.

The incident occurred on October 29, 2011 during an Air New Zealand flight from Auckland to Christchurch, the Transport Accident Investigation Commission (TAIC) said in a report released today.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11282251

777ER · Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:02 pm

Is anything wrong with ZK-SUH? Flightaware is showing its last flight was 3 days ago from BNE-AKL

zkojq · Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:39 pm

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 13):
She has just under a month left. Exit date currently 15th of July.

Oh, thanks. Why is the retirement so far ahead now that ZK-OKR is in service?

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 72):
Arrives in New Zealand on the 11th of July.

Any updates as to when it might be doing trans-tasman runs for training flights and when there will be enough certainty in the schedule for it to be 'safe' to book a seat on one of these flights?

aerorobnz · Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:54 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 75):
Any updates as to when it might be doing trans-tasman runs for training flights and when there will be enough certainty in the schedule for it to be 'safe' to book a seat on one of these flights?

The only certainty is that we will know internally and that it won't be guaranteed or reflect in reservation. Effectively ADHOC.
I certainly wouldn't book anything without a fully flexible ticket that you can adjust.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 75):
Is anything wrong with ZK-SUH? Flightaware is showing its last flight was 3 days ago from BNE-AKL

keeping remaining hours to a minimum

kiwiandrew · Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:09 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 77):
The only certainty is that we will know internally and that it won't be guaranteed or reflect in reservation. Effectively ADHOC.

Keeping my fingers crossed for an Ad Hoc substitution in late August.

Off to Sydney for the Bingham Cup.

Would it be reasonable to suppose that a 763 service is a more likely candidate for 787 replacement than an A320 service ?

I had been going to stump up the dosh for the first 'official' flight to Perth, but in good conscience I can't go and spend money in WA at the moment while their illegal shark cull continues

aerorobnz · Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:34 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 78):
Would it be reasonable to suppose that a 763 service is a more likely candidate for 787 replacement than an A320 service ?

No. Equal chance.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 78):
I had been going to stump up the dosh for the first 'official' flight to Perth, but in good conscience I can't go and spend money in WA at the moment while their illegal shark cull continues

Good on you. I'm doing a Great White Shark Cage Dive in South Africa in August so you have my support!!

wstakl · Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:36 am

Sky News reporting a now former NZ FA got caught importing meth into New Zealand by stitching it into their uniform. Naughty naughty! Sorry can't find a link yet.

NZ107 · Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:22 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 78):

Your best bet would be booking NZ103/4 I believe.

sunrisevalley · Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:37 pm

what will -NZE be doing between acceptance on June 30 and fly away on July 9 ?

aotearoa · Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:59 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 82):

Three days of flying on the 3rd, 4th and 5th.

3rd - PAE towards HNL then return to BFI, then BFI to PAE via a circular route
4th - PAE DEN PAE
5th - PAE DEN PAE

103/104 your best option for a 787 ride. At this point somewhere around the 9th August is looking good, although I would wait a little closer to that time before I committed to the flight.

ZK-NZE in its black livery will look spectacular on the apron in DEN.

NZ107 · Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:31 pm

Quoting Aotearoa (Reply 83):
At this point somewhere around the 9th August is looking good, although I would wait a little closer to that time before I committed to the flight.

It seems tentatively scheduled for then - the seat map does show a 772 but a lot of seats are blocked out - Rows 33 and 34 do not exist on the 789 (but they do on the 772) and hence they are blocked.

zkeoj · Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:34 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 78):
I had been going to stump up the dosh for the first 'official' flight to Perth, but in good conscience I can't go and spend money in WA at the moment while their illegal shark cull continues

You have my respect!

Cheers
micha

zkncj · Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:10 am

Quoting Aotearoa (Reply 83):
3rd - PAE towards HNL then return to BFI, then BFI to PAE via a circular route
4th - PAE DEN PAE
5th - PAE DEN PAE

Denver twice in a row, hmmm possible route launch with an media flights.....?

aotearoa · Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:15 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 86):

Don't read too much into the destination for proving. Chosen for practical reasons to support the operation, nothing else!

Sandgroper · Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:20 am

Excellent 1982 Documentary series unearthed here on here on History of NZ Aviation including Richard Pearces first flights apparently 9 months before the Wright Brothers:

http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/off-the-ground-1982/series

sunrisevalley · Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting Aotearoa (Reply 87):
Don't read too much into the destination for proving. Chosen for practical reasons to support the operation, nothing else!

what is the objective of the 9-days being spent at PAE ? What will the flight number be ?

[Edited 2014-06-28 07:38:34]

aotearoa · Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:00 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 89):

Proving flights are in place because Civil Aviation Authority rules require them. The 9 days are taken up with software loading, testing, proving flights, crew training and media activities. These activities occur prior to the delivery flight PAE - AKL.

sunrisevalley · Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:59 pm

Quoting Aotearoa (Reply 90):
Proving flights are in place because Civil Aviation Authority rules require them

Is this typical for the first aircraft of a new type? Did the same process apply for the first 77E , 77W and A320 ?

nascarnut · Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:52 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 89):
What will the flight number be ?

Looking at following
Jul 4th NZ6022 PAE - DEN 1230 - 1600
NZ6023 DEN - PAE 1800 - 1915
More to follow

ZKOJH · Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:20 am

''Capacity increase between Honolulu - Auckland"

Air New Zealand is pleased to advise that due to high customer demand, the airline will continue to operate four 767-300 services per week between Honolulu and Auckland through until 8 December 2014.

The fourth weekly seasonal service was originally scheduled to cease on 26 October 2014. For the Northern Summer 2015 season, we will start the fourth service from 28 March 2015.

http://www.airnztravelagent.com/capa...increase-between-honolulu-auckland

"Air New Zealand celebrates a decade of flying San Francisco-Auckland"

Air New Zealand will celebrate 10 years of service from San Francisco International Airport (SFO) on Monday, June 30.

The Auckland, New Zealand based airline originally began three times per week service to the South Pacific on June 30, 2004 and the route has gone from strength to strength ever since.

Currently operating daily flights between San Francisco and Auckland, with regular connections to eight Australian destinations, Air New Zealand will step that up to double daily flights with 10 return services per week for the peak period from mid-December to March 2015. Double daily flights will operate on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.

Air New Zealand’s Regional General Manager for the Americas, UK and Europe, Chris Myers, says, “The Auckland – San Francisco route is a key part of our long haul network and we are very proud to have been delivering our unique Kiwi service on this route for a decade now.”

http://www.airnztravelagent.com/air-...cade-flying-san-francisco-auckland

cchan · Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:21 am

It seems from 26 Oct, NZ80 will be departing HKG at 1730, which probably is a good move as the current timing of NZ80 is very close to CX197

ZKSUJ · Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:26 am

For those interested, a Q300 will be painted in the new livery and will be rolled out on the 7th of July

ZKOJH · Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:37 am

"FIJI AIRWAYS EXPANDS CAPACITY FROM KEY TOURIST MARKETS
Arrival of ATR 72 paves way for increased B737 flying to Australia and New Zealand''

Monday, 30 June 2014: Fiji Airways, Fiji’s National Airline has increased capacity to key Australia and New Zealand markets effective immediately.

The arrival of a new ATR 72 for subsidiary Fiji Link to be used in the South Pacific means the Fiji Airways B737s have been freed up to operate more sectors to Australian and New Zealand. As a result, Fiji Airways has added two more flights to Melbourne, now flying to the popular Australian city daily.

It has also added two overnight services to Auckland, enabling two additional evening flights from Nadi to Auckland, and two additional early morning departures from Auckland to Nadi. Fiji Airways now flies 11 times a week between Nadi and Auckland

WOW 11x a week from AKL ....

http://www.fijiairways.com/about-fij...capacity-from-key-tourist-markets/

TheLifehouse · Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:00 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 95):

Thanks for the update, do you know where its being repainted?

Speaking of repaints, I think its safe to say that OJE and OJKs repaintings have changed from happening this month.

Hopefully NZ1 could fill us in on any updates to the paint hangar timeslots.

ZK-NBT · Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:28 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 96):
WOW 11x a week from AKL ....

These new flights leave AKL at 0200, could be a sleepless night. They had 12 weekly NAN-AKL a few years back, but also offer 2 weekly SUV-AKL services so 13 weekly Fiji-AKL plus 1-2 weekly NAN-CHC.

Quoting cchan (Reply 94):

It seems from 26 Oct, NZ80 will be departing HKG at 1730, which probably is a good move as the current timing of NZ80 is very close to CX197

Interesting, currently 2 hours between NZ80 and CX197 now 3.5. CX117 leaves HKG at 1525 so 2 hours between that and NZ80 now when it operates. Probably makes sense will arrive AKL 0930ish now bit more time for business except a bit less time in HKG. Maybe CX117 will be retimed?

HKG 1300 AKL 0500
I'm aware there is a 1400 LHR arrival connects CX117 which would miss but 2.5 hours less for other early Europe HKG flights.

HKG 0900 AKL 0100
AKL 0800 HKG 1430

Requires a RON but connects from Europe arrivals, maybe slightly earlier ex AKL for earlier arrival into HKG more connections at HKG end?!

Is the NZ service to SIN going to mirror the current SQ281/282? I'm aware of the connections at the SIN end for SQ281 but will NZ time a long haul service as such? Or will it leave SIN late afternoon? Say

AKL 0100 SIN 0630
SIN 1700 AKL 0800 or
SIN 1530 AKL 0630

I believe SQ285/286 is likely to operate slightly earlier with an A380 due to A380 gates at AKL though aswell so

CHCalfonzo · Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:32 am

Quoting TheLifehouse (Reply 97):
Speaking of repaints, I think its safe to say that OJE and OJKs repaintings have changed from happening this month.

An A320 in the new livery came out of the paint hangar at CHC late last week, not sure what the reg. was though.

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