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DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:42 pm

Following the Twitter traffic from today's #InsideDelta event and seeing that they've been told SEA is now officially a hub. Also seeing this press release referring to SEA as a hub.
http://news.delta.com/2014-06-16-Del...aunch-of-Seattle-Hong-Kong-service

This is a distinct change for SEA no?
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:56 pm

They've mentioned it as a hub a few times within the body of past press releases, but never before included it with the other hubs at the bottom of the list, so that is indeed new.

One curious point in the press release though, with DL mentioning that they are the only carrier to offer flat bed seating, economy comfort (premium economy) and AVOD entertainment on all long-haul flights from Seattle. I'm sure BA and NH would disagree with them there.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:59 pm

seems like to me...I'm not sure I have ever seen them refer to SEA as a hub until now. What I find interesting is they didnt list CVG as a hub in that press release.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:11 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 2):
What I find interesting is they didnt list CVG as a hub in that press release.

Wasn't this inevitable? We all knew that CVG was going to get downgraded officially to non-hub status, no?
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:17 pm

Quoting rwsea (Reply 1):
One curious point in the press release though, with DL mentioning that they are the only carrier to offer flat bed seating, economy comfort (premium economy) and AVOD entertainment on all long-haul flights from Seattle. I'm sure BA and NH would disagree with them there.

The press release said flat-bed seating "with direct aisle access", so that disqualifies BA with its 2-4-2 configuration in Club World...but NH could certainly take issue with that since they fly the 788 to SEA with flat-beds and direct aisle access, etc.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:21 pm

Quoting Noise (Reply 3):
Wasn't this inevitable? We all knew that CVG was going to get downgraded officially to non-hub status, no?

Well, the release says "key hubs and markets including..." which indicates an open-ended list. So they aren't absolutely saying CVG is not a hub.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:23 pm

Quoting Noise (Reply 3):
Wasn't this inevitable? We all knew that CVG was going to get downgraded officially to non-hub status, no?

They're still running more than 100 flights a day with connecting banks. I'm not sure why they would stop classifying it as a hub, unless it foretells future things to come.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:43 pm

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 5):
Well, the release says "key hubs and markets including..." which indicates an open-ended list. So they aren't absolutely saying CVG is not a hub.

First time Boston has been included on that list of "key hubs and markets."
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:54 pm

Quoting TPA0822 (Reply 7):
First time Boston has been included on that list of "key hubs and markets."

A BOS/SEA addition for DL would really be something! It's not a huge market for AS but one they are building slowly.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:10 am

Congratulations to SEA now a hub for 2 airlines!!! Definitely an increase in status for Puget Sound
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:19 am

Meh... merely a formality. It was inevidible that they would list SEA as a hub. Love you DL but I hope you don't squash AS... I am still quite fond of AS. I'll stay delusional and just hope that they can somehow keep a friendly relationship  
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:21 am

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 2):


I thought so too, but then in a different release also sent out today they had the standard boiler plate listing CVG and not BOS or SEA, and no mention of "key hubs and markets".
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:10 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 11):

Someone used the old press release template!

Just kidding, I have no idea. That's what typically happens at my firm.

Interesting about BOS. (To me anyway, since I live here.)

Another poster mentioned in another discussion recently that Delta would be launching some marketing initiative in Boston soon.
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:40 am

Quoting tlecam (Reply 12):

Boston is going to be a growing market for Delta. I don't think it will see the level of growth SEA/LAX/NYC have but 100-120 flights a day isn't a bad number to expect.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:13 am

What does "key markets and hubs" mean?

And why is BOS on the list?

And why isn't CVG on the list?
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:27 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
What does "key markets and hubs" mean?

Key markets and hubs...well means key markets and hubs?

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
And why is BOS on the list?
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 13):
Boston is going to be a growing market for Delta. I don't think it will see the level of growth SEA/LAX/NYC have but 100-120 flights a day isn't a bad number to expect.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
And why isn't CVG on the list?

I am going to say that CVG is going to be replacing LAX in the hub that isn't a hub.
In all honestly you can't have a unlimited number of hubs, and I believe CVG will be left off the list simply to keep from causing the investors to go crazy. Capacity growth is still evil and bad for wall street.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:44 am

Who cares, its all sematics.

Here is another press release issued by DL today, and it has the old boilerplate marketing language at the bottom - with CVG and without SEA.

http://news.delta.com/2014-06-16-Del...tween-New-York-JFK-and-Los-Angeles

http://news.delta.com/2014-06-16-Del...newable-Jet-Fuel-Commercialization
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:05 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 8):
A BOS/SEA addition for DL would really be something! It's not a huge market for AS but one they are building slowly

Agreed it's not a huge market for AS, however AS does connect 3 west coast cities to BOS, 3x daily to SEA, 1x daily to PDX & SAN. No other East Coast destination AS serves sees that many AS tails daily, next closest is DCA with 2x SEA, 1x PDX & LAX, so surely a significant East Coast market for AS none the less.

Getting back to the topic, DL ran a PDX-BOS flight when they had their PDX Asia hub, so it seems pretty likely that DL will want to connect Beantown with the Emerald City as their ambitious plans continue to unfold at their SEA hub.
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:18 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 17):
Getting back to the topic, DL ran a PDX-BOS flight when they had their PDX Asia hub, so it seems pretty likely that DL will want to connect Beantown with the Emerald City as their ambitious plans continue to unfold at their SEA hub.

My guess is that there won't be a lot of cities east of the Mississippi connected to SEA, outside of the hubs. If they started connecting cities in the east it would start poaching passengers from their DTW flights. It seems like most of the adds Delta has been doing are to markets where they can maintain multiple daily flights to connect to their flights that are spread throughout the day, rather than a traditional bank of flights. The most they could comfortably add in the BOS-SEA market would be 1 daily, otherwise they would just be throwing money away. Adding BOS-SEA would be fine if they're going after the local market, which they have been doing as well, but it's pretty well served at this point with 3 AS flights and 1-2 daily on B6 as well, depending on the time of year.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:23 am

It is surprising the sticker label was not on SEA before, particularly when LGA, AMS and CDG had long been deemed "a key hub and market". Certain domestic locations like LAX and BOS are probably information overload on a press release, especially for an airline that has 6 bonafide hubs (ATL, JFK, SLC, DTW, MSP, SEA) already.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:17 am

I'm curious to see how DL does on SEA-LHR, BA just switched their evening flight to the 77W (was 744) giving them a significantly better product to offer than DL.

Couple that with AS connections and double miles on AS I can only imagine DL losing money on this one. I will be watching this one and appreciate any info anyone may have on early performance of this route.
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:54 am

Quoting SEAtown (Reply 20):
BA just switched their evening flight to the 77W (was 744) giving them a significantly better product to offer than DL.

Not sure how the BA 77W is significantly better than their 744s or the DL product on this route considering you still have a 2-4-2 J cabin on BA versus a 1-2-1 with all direct aisle access on DL. And Y on the DL 763 at 2-3-2 and slightly wider seat is definitely more accomodating than the 3-3-3 set-up on the BA 77W.

When comparing to BA, the one thing that BA usually beats any US airline on is their lounges (particularly at LHR) but in this case, DL uses the VS Clubhouse on the LHR end, so not sure BA has the edge there either.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:30 am

DL has been calling SEA a hub since their March/April issue of Sky Magazine. So at the very least they've been trying to market it as a major market to it's passengers--now, it seems, also to its investors.

It's also been listed as a hub on their website for a while, too. IIRC, in an old forum post, someone made note of some mislinking on delta.com. Clicking on CVG's hub link redirected you to SEA.

[Edited 2014-06-17 01:35:27]
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:08 am

In regards to "squashing AS," I still think it would be far smarter (less costly) for DL simply to continuing doing business with AS rather than try to wear them down into submission. If DL wants to continue adding flights in an effort to duplicate all of the existing AS service ex-SEA, they are doubtlessly going to depress yields considerably. AS is in a very strong financial position and DL would need to be prepared to lose a lot of money if they want to go down that road. Aside from which, SEA really isn't an airport well-suited for a massive expansion. There isn't much extra gate space, and AS and DL are already really tight on gate space this summer as it is.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:19 pm

Quoting SEAtown (Reply 20):
I'm curious to see how DL does on SEA-LHR, BA just switched their evening flight to the 77W (was 744) giving them a significantly better product to offer than DL.

Since a passenger only occupies one seat on an aircraft, please explain how a 77w is a better ride than a 767-300 which is one of the most comfortable aircraft there is
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:54 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 4):
The press release said flat-bed seating "with direct aisle access", so that disqualifies BA with its 2-4-2 configuration in Club World...but NH could certainly take issue with that since they fly the 788 to SEA with flat-beds and direct aisle access, etc.

It depends on which configuration of the 788 ANA is using to SEA. They have 3. One, all lie-flat seats do not have direct aisle access. Another does not have Premium Economy. So it is possible DL's statement is true.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:55 pm

Quoting SEAtown (Reply 20):
Couple that with AS connections and double miles on AS I can only imagine DL losing money on this one. I will be watching this one and appreciate any info anyone may have on early performance of this route.

The flights are quite full in both classes of service. So unless the revenue people set the fares too low, DL is probably making money.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:06 pm

The premium product is better on the 77W, and an upgrade from the 744. That is a fact, you can split hairs over a 777 vs. a 767 and DL service vs. BA service and lounges, but BA does has a better first and business product.
IMO the total BA product is way ahead of DL... I have flown DL SEA-CDG and SEA-AMS and was disappointed by their long haul product both times, especially their 767 to CDG.
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:35 pm

Quoting bkflyguy (Reply 26):
I have flown DL SEA-CDG and SEA-AMS and was disappointed by their long haul product both times, especially their 767 to CDG.

I flew AF SEA-CDG in coach and it was outstanding. The free wine was flowing and the product was excellent. That and NH SJC-NRT are about the two best coach flights I've ever had. I think turning SEA-CDG from AF over to DL was a huge step down.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:37 pm

This is also a good link that the Delta's Vice President announcing that Delta officially calls it a hub.

http://www.kplu.org/post/delta-air-l...seattle-putative-partners-hometown
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:43 pm

Quoting SEAtown (Reply 27):

The premium product is better on the 77W, and an upgrade from the 744. That is a fact, you can split hairs over a 777 vs. a 767 and DL service vs. BA service and lounges, but BA does has a better first and business product.
IMO the total BA product is way ahead of DL... I have flown DL SEA-CDG and SEA-AMS and was disappointed by their long haul product both times, especially their 767 to CDG.

I've flown both internationally within the past few months; to me it's an opinion thing. I hate the 2-4-2 layout in BA business. I value aisle access. To me, the food and wine is a toss up. I will give the edge to BA in the lounges, with the exception of JFK. I really like the JFK T4 lounge with the outside deck. Again, just my opinion.
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:01 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
Meh... merely a formality. It was inevidible that they would list SEA as a hub. Love you DL but I hope you don't squash AS... I am still quite fond of AS. I'll stay delusional and just hope that they can somehow keep a friendly relationship

Their relationship is anything but "friendly", since AS told DL to pound sand.

DL is terminating their ground support services provided to AS. AS has to use a separate ticket counter.

DL will build SEA at AS's expense, and can tolerate the upfront losses to compete with AS.

Two years from now, DL will have 80% SEA traffic, with AS under 20%.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:13 pm

This weeks code-a-phone from RA, he did mention SEA as a HUB. (point-blank)
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:23 pm

Quoting dc9er (Reply 31):
Two years from now, DL will have 80% SEA traffic, with AS under 20%.

You guys don't account for all the traffic actually FROM Alaska!
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:25 pm

Quoting dc9er (Reply 31):
Two years from now, DL will have 80% SEA traffic, with AS under 20%.

Lay off the peyote.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:35 pm

From an airline standpoint, a hub is merely an operation that provides connection opportunities. MEM still operates as a hub for DL, since it's set-up so that a handful of communities can connect onto onward flights, yet DL "downgraded" it from hub status. MEM, even today, is still larger than the CMH operation HP referred to as a hub for many years.

The terms "hub" and "focus cities" have become marketing ploys for various airlines... but it's always entertaining to read 100+ responses from people debating whether XXX should be a hub or focus city for ZZ airline.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 15):
I am going to say that CVG is going to be replacing LAX in the hub that isn't a hub.
In all honestly you can't have a unlimited number of hubs, and I believe CVG will be left off the list simply to keep from causing the investors to go crazy. Capacity growth is still evil and bad for wall street.

(1) Wall Street has responded positively to numerous airlines that have increased capacity over the past several years; the decision to keep capacity flat within its core network is DL and DL's alone.

(2) Wall Street could care less how many hubs DL has, as long as they were generating positive results for the airline and the laws of opportunity cost did not exist (e.g. hubs are expensive to operate; even if CLE was producing positive results for UA, the opportunity cost of closing the hub and shifting traffic to larger planes at ORD and IAD should prevail).
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:36 pm

Assuming that SEA is now or soon will be anointed as a hub I ask: how long has it been since a US airline last announced a new hub?
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:02 pm

I personally asked Delta CEO Richard Anderson today at the Delta Museum of Flight grand opening if Seattle was officially a hub. He said "Yes"
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:32 pm

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 29):
This is also a good link that the Delta's Vice President announcing that Delta officially calls it a hub.

http://www.kplu.org/post/delta-air-l...seattle-putative-partners-hometown

This is the quote that AS didn't want to hear:

"With the 95 flights that we'll have by the end of this year, Seattle is now Delta's newest hub," Medeiros said. "So congratulations, Seattle."

Who knows, maybe they'll work things out soon to avoid a bloodbath on either side.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:37 pm

Quoting Tigerguy (Reply 36):

We have had a few in the last couple of years. AA announced LAX a hub and DL announced LGA a hub after the slot transaction with US Air. Not sure if US called DCA a hub before the slot swap but it certainly became one after. So in the last few years we have the creation of LAX AA, DCA US, and LGA and now SEA for DL. We lost CLE and MEM in that time frame and could lose CVG if DL decides to shut it down.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:21 pm

Quoting dc9er (Reply 31):
Two years from now, DL will have 80% SEA traffic, with AS under 20%.

I want some of what you're on.
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:24 pm

Quoting Tigerguy (Reply 36):
Assuming that SEA is now or soon will be anointed as a hub I ask: how long has it been since a US airline last announced a new hub?

There have been more recent examples on the non-legacy side. B6 named SJU a hub in 2012 and prior to that did the same with FLL.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:25 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 24):
Since a passenger only occupies one seat on an aircraft, please explain how a 77w is a better ride than a 767-300 which is one of the most comfortable aircraft there is

The 777 has technology with reduces the effects of turbulence...the 737 does not. When the 777 systems sense that the plane is being moved off of it's line by turbulence, the autopilot automatically moves the flight control surfaces to keep the aircraft on it's correct line, as much as possible.

The 787 is better: It has motion sensors all over the skin of the aircraft. When the sensors sense a pressure change at a part of the airframe, the autopilot moves the control surfaces to prevent the plane from moving off of it's line. Unlike the 777, the 787 actually moves it's control surfaces BEFORE the airframe itself actually moves, thus creating a smoother ride than even the 777 provides.
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:46 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
And why isn't CVG on the list?

They are...just not on that particular press release. Geez so much consternation over CVG being on a list or not...they are on the latest updated Press Kit release.

http://news.delta.com/Stats-Facts
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:29 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 34):
Lay off the peyote.

No hocus pocus....just a very strategic business plan.

Downplay my accusations, if you will.....but let's compare notes a few months from now.

Dl has the strategic interest to develop SEA into a domestic & INTL hub. They did it in New York....from a small presence. They operate over 2400 flights a day, have a billion dollar budget, and operate to all corners of the World, except Antarctica. AS is a nice little quasi-regional airline, with mainline jets, that has been allowed to grow at DL's expense. They didn't want to play ball exclusively with DL....they wanted ALL the cake. DL has a business plan & stockholders to answer to. RA doesn't throw any punches.

I repeat my assertion.....let's compare notes in 18 to 24 months. You can organize a powerpoint presentation, (don't forget your laser pointer), explaining how AS is still in control of SEA. The "loyal customers" will switch to a Worldwide airline, with Worldwide FF miles, etc.

The tide is turning....get used to it.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:34 am

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 43):
They are...just not on that particular press release. Geez so much consternation over CVG being on a list or not...they are on the latest updated Press Kit release.

The date on that press kit is February, 2014. Not so updated.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:38 am

Quoting dc9er (Reply 44):
No hocus pocus....just a very strategic business plan.

Downplay my accusations, if you will.....but let's compare notes a few months from now.

Dl has the strategic interest to develop SEA into a domestic & INTL hub. They did it in New York....from a small presence. They operate over 2400 flights a day, have a billion dollar budget, and operate to all corners of the World, except Antarctica. AS is a nice little quasi-regional airline, with mainline jets, that has been allowed to grow at DL's expense. They didn't want to play ball exclusively with DL....they wanted ALL the cake. DL has a business plan & stockholders to answer to. RA doesn't throw any punches.

I repeat my assertion.....let's compare notes in 18 to 24 months. You can organize a powerpoint presentation, (don't forget your laser pointer), explaining how AS is still in control of SEA. The "loyal customers" will switch to a Worldwide airline, with Worldwide FF miles, etc.

The tide is turning....get used to it.

That's all fine and dandy. The problem I have is with your 80/20 assertion. You'd have to be blind to ignore how DL is growing in SEA. I'm certainly not ignoring it. Nor do I have a horse in this race when all is said and done. Lord willing I'll be around in 18-24 months and I''ll be glad to compare notes because you know these threads will be never-ending. In my humble opinion, DL will not be at 80% in SEA, and AS will not be at 20%. Maybe closer to 50/50, depending on if DL goes ballistic and adds a bunch of stuff to markets like MCI/STL/DFW/AUS/MSY/BNA/RDU/IND/PIT, etc, which I'm of the opinion they won't do.
 
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:04 am

Quoting dc9er (Reply 44):
Dl has the strategic interest to develop SEA into a domestic & INTL hub. They did it in New York....from a small presence. They operate over 2400 flights a day, have a billion dollar budget, and operate to all corners of the World, except Antarctica. AS is a nice little quasi-regional airline, with mainline jets, that has been allowed to grow at DL's expense. They didn't want to play ball exclusively with DL....they wanted ALL the cake. DL has a business plan & stockholders to answer to. RA doesn't throw any punches.

DL hardly built NYC up "from a small presence." It acquired PA's JFK hub and LGA shuttle in 1991; JFK was heavily emphasized in the mid-2000s when DL ramped up its domestic & increased its international operations. Some of the domestic stuff was pulled down in favor of LGA after its slot swap, and some of the international stuff proved unsuccessful (especially in the modern fuel environment) but DL has heavily expanded into Mexico/Caribbean in recent years. US struggled with its LGA slots for years... while DL has said they are performing at/slightly beyond expectations, we do know know if LGA is profitable.

NYC is ~25 years in the making for DL.
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:07 am

Quoting Tigerguy (Reply 36):

US at DCA, they only came out a couple of months ago saying DCA is officially a hub.
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RE: DL Officially Names SEA A Hub?

Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:09 am

Quoting atpcliff (Reply 42):
the autopilot automatically moves the flight control surfaces to keep the aircraft on it's correct line, as much as possible.

You are correct, but it's not the autopilot. It's the Primary Flight Computers, which control the fly-by-wire system.

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