Scandinavia Aviation 2014 - Part 6

EK413 · Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:01 am

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Part 5 can be found here:

Scandinavian Aviation 2014 - Part 5 (by SA7700 Feb 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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Someone83 · Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:08 am

Traffic figures May 2014

CPH: 2.328.469 +8,3%
OSL: 2.093.932 +3,1%
ARN: 2.030.892 +7%

Strong growth in CPH and ARN, while OSL is trailing behind in growth. Especially transfer (+20%) and IC (+14%) is growing at CPH

sas767 · Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:44 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 1):
Traffic figures May 2014

CPH: 2.328.469 +8,3%
OSL: 2.093.932 +3,1%
ARN: 2.030.892 +7%

A deep-dive into the figures.

May Total:
CPH: 2.328.469 +8,3% (+178.772)
OSL: 2.093.932 +3,1% (+63.167)
ARN: 2.030.892 +7,0% (+132.955)

May Int.:
CPH: 2.149.467 +8,7% (+172.582)
OSL: 1.123.999 +5,0% (+53.499)
ARN: 1.555.203 +9,8% (+139.327)

YTD Total:
CPH: 9.832.891 +7,1% (+648.253)
OSL: 9.289.398 +4,7% (+412.853)
ARN: 8.699.598 +9,5% (+751.499)

YTD Int.:
CPH: 9.042.442 +7,3% (+612.812)
OSL: 4.864.688 +6,4% (+294.534)
ARN: 6.551.305 +11,0% (+647.491)

The impressive growth at ARN continues and it seems like CPH in the S14 season now is on the same growth path as ARN - very nice. The dissapointment is OSL with a growth significant below both ARN and CPH in the S14 season - it seems like the huge capacity increase in the Norwegian domestic market by both Norwegian and SAS has not been meet by the market (was it a capacity increase of 100.000 monthly seats in/out of OSL by Norwegian alone?)

[Edited 2014-06-17 07:19:58]

EBGflyer · Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:58 pm

Quoting sas767 (Reply 2):

I suppose you are referring to May figures?

Someone83 · Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:38 am

At the same time SAS presented their disappointing financial figures for Q2 with -1B SEK and additional cost cuts, they also wrote they intend to aqcuire additional three longhaul aircraft to start more IC routes from OSL and ARN from Autumn 2015

Thunderboltdrgn · Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:28 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 4):
At the same time SAS presented their disappointing financial
figures for Q2 with -1B SEK and additional cost cuts, they also wrote they intend to
aqcuire additional three longhaul aircraft to start more IC routes from OSL and ARN
from Autumn 2015

article from The Local: http://www.thelocal.se/20140618/sas-...-off-300-employees-after-huge-loss
article from SVD: http://www.svd.se/naringsliv/flygbol...r-med-drygt-en-miljard_3669080.svd

[Edited 2014-06-18 00:39:40]

Mortyman · Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:57 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 4):
At the same time SAS presented their disappointing financial figures for Q2 with -1B SEK and additional cost cuts, they also wrote they intend to aqcuire additional three longhaul aircraft to start more IC routes from OSL and ARN from Autumn 2015

Quoting someone83 (Reply 4):
article from The Local: http://www.thelocal.se/20140618/sas-...-off-300-employees-after-huge-loss
article from SVD: http://www.svd.se/naringsliv/flygbol...0.svd

I don't see how they are gonna be able to save 1b sek With the actions they say they are gonna take.... and spending 500 mil sek on a New IT system ? Do they really need that ? Should that be a priority ? I agree With the media here in Norway ... sounds very expensive ...

They need to get New leadership. People who actually know how to run an airline !

Someone83 · Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:55 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 6):
spending 500 mil sek on a New IT system ? Do they really need that ? Should that be a priority ?

The IT system is probably one of SAS biggest weakness costing them millions, if not billions every year. So this is definately an important area with huge potential for savings

SKAirbus · Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:58 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 7):
The IT system is probably one of SAS biggest weakness costing them millions, if not billions every year. So this is definately an important area with huge potential for savings

It seems that nothing SAS can do will make them any money. Their biggest cost is their staff, who are quite frankly overpaid and resistant to any major change. I wonder if SAS could ever get away with going down the route British Airways did and introduce new terms and conditions for new recruits (like with the Mixed Fleet crew).

Someone83 · Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:29 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 8):
I wonder if SAS could ever get away with going down the route British Airways did and introduce new terms and conditions for new recruits

They partly have done so. The starting salary for new recruited personel, both in the cabin and cockpit, is very low in Scandinavian terms. I know several persons that have rejected job offers from SAS as the wage is to low

co38 · Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:08 pm

The new starting salary for FOs on the 737 with OSL base is 29.940NOK/month with no loss of license insurance the first few years.
The new recruits will follow a completely different pay scale than those who have been with the company before they started hiring new pilots a couple of years ago. Basically creating an A-team and a B-team.

I've heard that the "A-team" pilots will be getting the previous pay cuts back before the B-team will see anything more than 29.940/month.

A major pilot conflict is on the horizon....

CXfirst · Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:13 am

If anyone is interested. VG (vg.no) are showing a live stream of the AN-225 landing at OSL on their front page.

-CXfirst

Someone83 · Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:26 am

In an article in Aftenposen today, Singapore Airlines claims that 50% of the business class passengers on CPH-SIN is Norwegians. The issue is thought filling the back of the bus with Norwegians as Sweden is the largest market in numbers of passengers

http://www.aftenposten.no/okonomi/Lu...nordmenn-7607441.html#.U6VXtqNhiK0

Someone83 · Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:40 pm

EI-LNG, Norwegian's 7th 787-8, was delivered earlier this week

However, their issues seems to continue. Yesterday's MCO-OSL has still not left and is waiting for a spare part from UK, and is currently scheduled with a 26hr delay. At the same time the wetleased 777-200 from EuroAtlantic had to return to CPH shortly andter departure towards LAX and is as well experiencing a 24 hours delay

[Edited 2014-06-22 06:41:21]

SKAirbus · Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:24 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 12):
In an article in Aftenposen today, Singapore Airlines claims that 50% of the business class passengers on CPH-SIN is Norwegians. The issue is thought filling the back of the bus with Norwegians as Sweden is the largest market in numbers of passengers

Sounds like a mandate for opening a dedicated SIN-OSL service.

Someone83 · Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:50 am

bmi Regional will expand KSD-FRA from 6x to 10x weekly from Aug19

BM1911 KSD0700 – 0910FRA ER3 x167
BM1917 KSD1550 – 1800FRA ER3 x6

BM1912 FRA0940 – 1140KSD ER3 234
BM1912 FRA1140 – 1345KSD ER3 5
BM1918 FRA1830 – 2030KSD ER3 x6

Someone83 · Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:34 pm

Seems like Emirates SkyCargo will close down their operation at GOT and move all their pure cargo traffic in Scandinavia to CPH

http://www.business.dk/transport/fra...ikrer-gods-i-lufthavnens-udvikling

Other news: SAS is ceasing their 6x weekly ARN-BHX from en of June

Thunderboltdrgn · Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:20 pm

Today GOT opened their "new" terminal which means that passengers regardless if they fly
domestic or internationally now can move freely between the domestic and international areas.

This also means that domestic passengers now can access shops and restaurants that previously
only have been available to international departures. It also means that international flights
now can use gates that previously have been restricted to domestic use.

http://www.swedavia.se/landvetter/om...erminal-for-in-och-utrikes-oppnad/

[Edited 2014-06-25 08:22:14]

JetBuddy · Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:39 pm

New airline called "Viking International Airlines" registered in Finland but based in Norway. Will operate 2 x 747-400 Combi, as well as one 747 Freighter.

Source in Norwegian:
http://www.vg.no/forbruker/reise/nyt...skap-aapner-oslo-miami/a/23239720/

I've also opened a seperate thread for this here:
New Airline: Viking International Airlines (by JetBuddy Jun 25 2014 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2014-06-25 08:44:22]

Tristarsteve · Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:25 pm

Due to late delivery of the last B787, the BA B787 operation at ARN is moved again.
The present dates are from 09 Aug until 15 Sep on BA780/1

gkirk · Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:59 pm

CPH-NCL seems to have been quietly upgraded to the CRJ900 from QI CR2s

SAS A340 · Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:18 pm

All SAS Aircraft at CPH grounded because the baggage personal is on strike, write Ekstra Bladet. Waay to go Denmark...again!

All SAS flights are concerned and also the departures of other Star Alliance airlines.

[Edited 2014-06-26 12:23:03]

seansasLCY · Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:35 pm

It looks as if BA are dropping the LCY-ARN flights

When you try to book flights in November it says "We do not fly from London City to Stockholm" and on Flyertalk a user mentioned that there flights have been cancelled.

kyrone · Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:29 pm

I know the new IC routes from SAS were mentioned on here from 2015, and I saw a teaser on their instagram..

Any idea where too?

I know they previously said they wanted to enhance US services (which with SFO and IAH has been done) is there still a focus on US market expansion, or perhaps Asia?

Mortyman · Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:43 pm

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 21):
All SAS Aircraft at CPH grounded because the baggage personal is on strike, write Ekstra Bladet. Waay to go Denmark...again!

All SAS flights are concerned and also the departures of other Star Alliance airlines.

And t was an illegal strike ... However it has now ended ...

Quoting kyrone (Reply 23):
Any idea where too?

I know they previously said they wanted to enhance US services (which with SFO and IAH has been done) is there still a focus on US market expansion, or perhaps Asia?

Primerely from OSL and ARN and yes they talk about US destinations and Asia.

SKAirbus · Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:11 am

The Danes really need to get a grip on their unions... seriously...

As the strike was illegal, I hope SAS use the full force of the law to hold those responsible to account, and withhold wages for the time the workers were on strike.

Someone83 · Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:12 am

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 22):
It looks as if BA are dropping the LCY-ARN flights

When you try to book flights in November it says "We do not fly from London City to Stockholm" and on Flyertalk a user mentioned that there flights have been cancelled.

Either that, or at least the winter schedule hasn't been uploaded

gkirk · Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:25 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 26):

lCY-ARN, ABZ and somewhere else are being dropped by BACF IIRC

seansasLCY · Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:25 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 26):
Either that, or at least the winter schedule hasn't been uploaded

The Sales Director at LCY confirmed it to me. He said "not enough pax, paying the right price. We will look for other operators."

Its a real shame as I used this service quite a bit. Perfect chance for Malmo Aviation to return flying Bromma-LCY! (I can dream)

SKAirbus · Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:46 am

Huh but I thought BA were increasing frequencies between LCY and ARN?!

seansasLCY · Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:59 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 27):
lCY-ARN, ABZ and somewhere else are being dropped by BACF IIRC

ABZ flights are still available for sale at the moment. I would imagine some of the summer routes will again end for the winter period.

bjorn14 · Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:53 pm

Does anyone have a current fleet list for SK? Thx in advance.

BTW, what kind of jets could BMA handle? To make seansasLCY dream come true.

seansasLCY · Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:06 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 31):
BTW, what kind of jets could BMA handle? To make seansasLCY dream come true.

RJ100 from Malmo Aviation operate a lot of flights from BMA. I believe they did fly the route at one point (for a short time). Flynonstop had planned to use the E190 to KRS but went bust before they could start.

Someone83 · Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:19 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 31):
Does anyone have a current fleet list for SK? Thx in advance.

Just use planespotters.net

http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/SAS

Thunderboltdrgn · Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:54 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 31):
Does anyone have a current fleet list for SK? Thx in advance.

BTW, what kind of jets could BMA handle? To make seansasLCY dream come true.

Currently RJ's are the biggest plane allowed, but a recent decision was taken to change the
airport classification so that the airport can handle bigger planes. TF have E175s and E190s on
order which they are planning to use from Bromma.

However the decision to upgrade the airport classification have been appealed since it violates
allot of rulings and regulations regarding the conditions und er which Bromma operates.
Then there is an election coming this fall which could overthrow any previous decisions about
Bromma and possible also set a date on the closure of Bromma.

I have written some about it before, I'll see if I can find those posts.

In the meantime there are allot of stuff written about it at this blog:
http://lae.blogg.se/category/battle-of-bromma.html
some info in these articles as well: http://www.mitti.se/nu-rojs-for-tyngre-plan-pa-bromma/

[Edited 2014-06-27 07:03:40]

seansasLCY · Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:05 pm

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 34):
TF have E175s and E190s on
order which they are planning to use from Bromma.

I've never seen a Malmo order for the EJet family. They have ordered the new C-Series aircraft though.

http://www.bombardier.com/en/media-c...ardiercom.html?filter-bu=aerospace

Thunderboltdrgn · Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 35):

I've never seen a Malmo order for the EJet family. They have ordered the new C-Series aircraft though.

yeah you are right, I mixed them up.

Anyway here are another article (behind pay wall though) about Bromma:
http://www.fokus.se/2014/06/slaget-i-luften/

[Edited 2014-06-27 07:09:36]

B747forever · Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:15 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 19):
Due to late delivery of the last B787, the BA B787 operation at ARN is moved again.
The present dates are from 09 Aug until 15 Sep on BA780/1

That change is not yet reflected on BA.com

CXfirst · Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:53 pm

Oslo Airport confirm that from next year (no exact date yet), international to domestic transfers will no longer need to collect baggage and therefore be no need to go through security again. 3 year trial, but can't see them going back to how it was.

About time, and this will make transfers through OSL much better, and they might be able to take back some of the passengers who now are skipping the OSL transfer.

http://www.osl.no/osl/omoss/_presse/...LO_LUFTHAVN_FRA_2015&id=181-166032 (in Norwegian)

-CXfirst

SKAirbus · Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:55 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 38):

Oslo Airport confirm that from next year (no exact date yet), international to domestic transfers will no longer need to collect baggage and therefore be no need to go through security again. 3 year trial, but can't see them going back to how it was.

I guess it depends where you arrive from... From non-schengen destinations I imagine you will have to go through security again even if you do not have to pick up your luggage first. For EU/EEA schengen destinations maybe that will be the case... However, at some airports in Europe they still security check all transfers, schengen or not.

cityairline · Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:54 am

The inaugural TAP flight to GOT is now on its way from LIS, operated by an A320.
The first outbound to LIS will be close to full with 154 pax booked, and coming flights seem to be as equally well booked. Good to see!

The airline will serve this route four times weekly.

Welcome to Gothenburg TAP!

Someone83 · Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:40 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 39):
I guess it depends where you arrive from... From non-schengen destinations I imagine you will have to go through security again even if you do not have to pick up your luggage first. For EU/EEA schengen destinations maybe that will be the case... However, at some airports in Europe they still security check all transfers, schengen or not.

It all depende how they organize it, as there are several non-Schengen countries that do not require an extra security check be law, such as USA.

Today, if you do a international-international transfer at OSL, arriving from a Schengen country, it depends on which gate you arrive at OSL whether you will have to go through the transfer security or not, due to the way the arrivals at OSL is currently organized

sas767 · Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:25 pm

CPH to extend the intercontinental Pier C with 100 meters - this includes 3 new gates to make room for further expansion of the intercontionental traffic from CPH.

Link to the story at cph.dk:
http://www.cph.dk/om-cph/presse/nyhe...er/mere-plads-til-de-lange-rejser/

No pictures yet at the official CPH website, but a few pictures available in the link below:
http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/kobenhavns-lufthavn-udbyger-finger-c

olle · Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:10 pm

The Swedish government just commited to increase railroad services. 2030 Stockholm Gotheburg will be 2 hours and Stockholm - Malmö 2,5 hours

This will transform Swedis aviation.

Thunderboltdrgn · Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:43 pm

Quoting olle (Reply 43):
The Swedish government just committed to increase railroad
services. 2030 Stockholm Gotheburg will be 2 hours and Stockholm - Malmö 2,5 hours

This will transform Swedish aviation.

Yeah well we'll see about that. Imo this is just something that they say now to try steal some
extra "green" votes from the opposition. I very much doubt that this will be reality in 2013.

Someone83 · Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:54 pm

Norwegian is starting 2x weekly CPH-BKK from Oct 30th

EBGflyer · Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:06 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 45):
Norwegian is starting 2x weekly CPH-BKK from Oct 30th

Apparently departures Thursdays and Sundays from CPH. Not yet bookable.

[url=https://web.retriever-info.com/go/?p=163104&a=19920&sa=2004823&x=e1950f6d0fa5ac35b0ae3b24892fd507&d=00315920140708208099420[/url]

[Edited 2014-07-08 11:12:33]

Kiwirob · Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:36 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 4):
they also wrote they intend to aqcuire additional three longhaul aircraft to start more IC routes from OSL and ARN from Autumn 2015

Would this be new A330's, or a top up of the A350 order?

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 38):
Oslo Airport confirm that from next year (no exact date yet), international to domestic transfers will no longer need to collect baggage and therefore be no need to go through security again.

There is a god afterall.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 39):
I guess it depends where you arrive from... From non-schengen destinations I imagine you will have to go through security again even if you do not have to pick up your luggage first.

It will still be much quicker i.e. CPH or ARN style than having to go collect your bags check them again the go through security. I could imagine they will utilise the security station after customs for non schengen flights.

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 44):
I very much doubt that this will be reality in 2013.

Unless they invent a time machine it will be impossible to do this by 2013

Someone83 · Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:27 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 47):
Would this be new A330's, or a top up of the A350 order?

The A350 is not coming untill 2018.

But I don't get the math to add up, as SAS is only receiving 2 new A330 in 2015 (and two in 2016), so either the press release is inaccurate with regards to the timing or something else is missing

EBGflyer · Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:22 am

DY's CPH-BKK route will have flight number DY7209/7210.

DY7209 DEP CPH 15.05 ARR BKK 08.05+1 788 47 (11 hours flighttime)
DY7210 DEP BKK 10.10 ARR CPH 16.55 788 15 (12 hours 45 mins flighttime)

Flights commence October 30 (although it's advertised as October 26) - return flight from December 3, 2014.

Bookable now. Prices from DKK 1599 on the outbound leg and 1353 DKK on the return leg. Nice

Departure time from CPH is pretty good! Not so much on the return flight.

[Edited 2014-07-09 02:31:42]

[Edited 2014-07-09 02:35:53]

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