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United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:48 am

ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/rory-mcilroy-golf-clubs-united-airline-lost-irish-open

More bad publicity for United. For the record - this could have happened at any airline but for some reason United keeps making the headlines for bad press.

For all we know, he could have had a late check in. Unfortunate press none the less.
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:21 am

About 18 or so months ago when Rory switched to Nike he would have been glad if the clubs went missing  
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:25 am

Well, I'm sick and tired of the UA bashing, but.... they keep giving people excuses!
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:34 am

Just as a point of order UA found them and is delivering them tomorrow.

Oooops....
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:45 am

A little surprised he flies commercial instead of on Netjets or similar type company Gulfstream / Global Express/ Falcon.
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:47 am

Billy Horschel, another golfer, tweeted today that United lost his clubs too on EWR-DUB. Not a good look for UA.
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:52 pm

United lost my Ferrari. I swear I parked it my garage last night...
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:26 pm

This story reminds me of a situation years ago when the new president of a carrier picked a fight with the ramp agents (pay cuts, benefits cuts, etc.). Strangely enough, the president's golf clubs and the clubs of a good friend that were to go to LGB, went to LBF instead. IIRC, they missed their golf date completely.

It's amazing to me how many "leaders" in a service industry don't understand how important good labor relations can be.
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:00 pm

I really am shocked he wasn't flying with NetJets or the like.

Hopefully, he at least flew first class? Anyone know?
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:17 pm

United didn't loose anything they were just delayed
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:35 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Thread starter):
this could have happened at any airline but for some reason United keeps making the headlines for bad press.

Exxageration, perhaps:


US Airways Tweets Pornographic Pic (by flyiguy Apr 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Delta Under Fire For World Cup Tweet (by jetblueguy2006 Jun 17 2014 in Non Aviation)

Reality Star/producer Kicked Off FL Flight (by 727LOVER May 29 2014 in Civil Aviation)


...and JetBlue had a kid pee on herself...but I can't find the thread.
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:49 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 7):
It's amazing to me how many "leaders" in a service industry don't understand how important good labor relations can be.

So are saying that the clubs were sent to a wrong city by ramp workers, because of a dispute with management? Does this indicate that you are with a service industry company and having a beef with the management?
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:55 pm

These things happen...at all airlines. Once located, the clubs were delivered. Some humans like to bad-mouth airlines, some air carriers in particular. Some of it is just people complaining; some of it is competitors, and supporters, planting and repeating stories.
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:06 pm

Clearly losing luggage is always an issue.

However, if the case belongs to Joe public it will not make the evening news.

If the case belongs to a celebrity, it will make the news.
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:10 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
Well, I'm sick and tired of the UA bashing, but.... they keep giving people excuses!

Excuses? Or REASONS?  
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:56 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 7):

I never fail to be amazed by comments like this, if I has a employees that were making deliberatly petulant actions like that they would be collecting unemployment by the end of the working day...

It's all well and good companies have respect for its employees but that is a two way street and being petulant just because the markets changed and cannot support past working practices and rewards its moronic, I know I'd rather have a job at reduced benefit than no job at all....I've seen lots of companies forced out of business by unions in the UK
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:08 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 11):
So are saying that the clubs were sent to a wrong city by ramp workers, because of a dispute with management? Does this indicate that you are with a service industry company and having a beef with the management?

I said no such thing. Rather, the story reminded me of an early incident, one that I had no part in.

I no longer work for an airline, though I still travel quite a bit, but it's now for our family business. Ours is a service business and it's growing nicely; I'm proud of what we've accomplished recently.

Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 15):
I never fail to be amazed by comments like this, if I has a employees that were making deliberatly petulant actions like that they would be collecting unemployment by the end of the working day...

It's all well and good companies have respect for its employees but that is a two way street and being petulant just because the markets changed and cannot support past working practices and rewards its moronic, I know I'd rather have a job at reduced benefit than no job at all....I've seen lots of companies forced out of business by unions in the UK

Again, I had no part in the story I related. But it's incredibly naive to think that forced concessions have no consequences.
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:19 pm

Lost? Doubtful - they didn't disappear into thin air and are obviously somewhere. Would anyone be surprised to learn they mysteriously appeared on a local public course, or better yet, eBay?

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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:18 am

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 7):

I find that story a bit imbelished... LGB is a relatively large airport with several commercial airlines serving it. LBF is North Platte, NE (I had to look it up) with only Great Lakes service from Denver. You'd have to go out of your way to try to re-route baggage from LGB to LBF....

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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:00 am

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 7):

Employee relations are very important! It is also important, perhaps more important, to maintain a competitive cost structure. If you cannot afford to pay your employees what they are expecting/demanding, do you have a choice?

Overpay in a competitive industry with slim margins you are gonna be in a lot worse shape than having some pissed off employees.

It's easy to blindly critique a leader's tactics and unanimously, unwaveringly support unions/labor because when you don't have to be held responsible for the financial future of the company.

While it is far from the only reason, it didn't help that afer decades of folding to the unions GM was paying unionized labor on the assembly line about $100/hr when pay, benefits and taxes were factored in.

It costs them $2400/day to have unskilled labor screw in dashboards to cars that could only cost $20,000. See a problem there?

It is important to pay employees as much as possible while staying competitive in the market. That means management understanding that their employees are valuable, and employees understanding that what you want and what can be done, are not always the same.

Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 15):
if I has a employees that were making deliberatly petulant actions like that they would be collecting unemployment by the end of the working day...

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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:57 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 10):
...and JetBlue had a kid pee on herself...but I can't find the thread.

Ive meaning to ask the mods why that post seemed to have vanished....
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:30 am

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 20):
Ive meaning to ask the mods why that post seemed to have vanished....

They may have flagged it as "posted in wrong forum" and deleted it.
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:48 am

Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 8):
I really am shocked he wasn't flying with NetJets or the like.

Perhaps he's one of the athletes who realizes his career does have a shelf life and that he will indeed need money tomorrow. Netjets is insanely expensive. If I had that kind of cash I would still fly commercial. Rafael Nadal usually flies commercial as well, while Roger Federer will fly Netjets.
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:08 am

PERHAPS... some should take a second and watch this little Jeffie special video... it highlights UA's commitment to the "game"... perhaps that could be why it made press they lost their clubs.  http://youtu.be/eJQ8rC99-yY
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:28 am

Very low morale at UA...management treats employees like crap= customers receive bad service
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:34 am

Quoting cle757 (Reply 24):

Ehh says you...I fly United quite a bit on business and find airport customer service to be quite nice and accommodating, both at hubs and out stations.
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:10 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 19):
Employee relations are very important! It is also important, perhaps more important, to maintain a competitive cost structure. If you cannot afford to pay your employees what they are expecting/demanding, do you have a choice?

Overpay in a competitive industry with slim margins you are gonna be in a lot worse shape than having some pissed off employees.

I agree with the essence of your post. I'm running the family business now and there are limits to compensation and benefits of course. In the case of my story about intentionally misdirected golf clubs, as I recall, the new ownership - who had installed the new President - wanted concessions without any effort whatsoever to explain the need for them. So, the ramp agents were upset because they didn't see the need for the cuts.

Also as I recall the pilots voted down a pay cut, but later approved a smaller one with an increased 401K contribution from the company.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 18):
I find that story a bit imbelished... LGB is a relatively large airport with several commercial airlines serving it. LBF is North Platte, NE (I had to look it up) with only Great Lakes service from Denver. You'd have to go out of your way to try to re-route baggage from LGB to LBF....

It's not embellished at all. And there's no need to "go out of your way" to accidentally-on-purpose grab a LBF bag tag twice instead of the proper LGB bag tag. Believe it or not, LBF had airline service before Great Lakes (this incident happened many years ago).
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:18 am

Quoting Polaris (Reply 12):
These things happen...at all airlines. Once located, the clubs were delivered.
Quoting northwestair (Reply 9):
United didn't loose anything they were just delayed
Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
Just as a point of order UA found them and is delivering them tomorrow.

Oh look, some facts!!!
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:03 pm

Quoting cle757 (Reply 24):
Very low morale at UA...management treats employees like crap= customers receive bad service

Are you saying its all right to treat customers poorly if you as an employee feel that management is treating you poorly.What a childish way to behave
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:12 pm

Not all PGA guys are loaded, you know. They're self-employed, essentially, so they bear the ENTIRE brunt of all taxes on their own shoulders. They either make the cut and get paid or don't. Endorsements are a big part of it, certainly, but there are no guarantees.

Being a pro golfer is as close to the most perfect egalitarian meritocracy in the sports world as exists.

Rory's not starving, but there shouldn't be shock that he flies commercially.

As for a baggage mishandling, it happens.....
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:22 pm

Golfers will usually fly NetJets in the USA or within the EU. I think it's rare that they fly privately across the pond. The added expense and the smaller cabin for 6-7 hrs. probably make the airlines a preferred method of getting across.

My friend routinely takes PGA Tour golfers from Florida to major hubs to catch Intl. flights.

In any case, I'm sure Rory was in Business First to DUB.
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:00 pm

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 21):
They may have flagged it as "posted in wrong forum" and deleted it.

Or maybe it was a complete waste of space like this thread?

Seriously, do we need a thread every time a piece of luggage is delayed, not lost, delayed?   
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:56 pm

I know all golfers aren't well off, but Rory is an exception. He signed a huuuge endorsement with Nike and makes upwards of $20 Mil a year with endorsements and winnings. Plenty to fly a few times privately back and forth across the pond.
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:18 pm

Quoting luckyone (Reply 22):
Perhaps he's one of the athletes who realizes his career does have a shelf life and that he will indeed need money tomorrow. Netjets is insanely expensive. If I had that kind of cash I would still fly commercial. Rafael Nadal usually flies commercial as well, while Roger Federer will fly Netjets

Top golfers will make more money in a year than almost anyone outside of the biggest NBA, NFL stars. Rory makes money by the semi truck full.

Quoting Slider (Reply 29):
Being a pro golfer is as close to the most perfect egalitarian meritocracy in the sports world as exists.

Rory's not starving, but there shouldn't be shock that he flies commercially.

Rory is a fat cat. Making 15-20m to swing Nike brand clubs.

Quoting Slider (Reply 29):
Not all PGA guys are loaded, you know. They're self-employed, essentially, so they bear the ENTIRE brunt of all taxes on their own shoulders. They either make the cut and get paid or don't. Endorsements are a big part of it, certainly, but there are no guarantees.

Self employed people pay less in taxes than a company and individual pay together. Sure it's more taxes than if he was employed but it is less than the combined employee/r rates.

Also, Medicaide disappears after like $150k, and he makes that by waking up in the morning.

Also, often times golfers will charter in groups. Last year the last tournament in the states before the (British) Open Championship... which i believe was the John Deere Classic in Iowa... they showed a Goodyear blimp that panned out to the airport which was next to the golf course and there was a chartered 767 sitting there ready to take something like 30 golfers on the redeye to the Open Championship.

In fact, someone who was not invited to play won the John Deere classic, getting him an invite, so they just told him to grab his stuff and get aboard.
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:07 pm

Yep, that was Jordan Spieth who won the John Deer Classic and got an automatic invite over to Europe. The PGA chartered that 767 for the players.

As a funny aside to Jordan winning that tourney... He wasn't prepared to go overseas and didn't have enough clothes. It was mentioned he ran out of underwear and had to do laundry as soon as he got there.
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:27 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 27):
Quoting Polaris (Reply 12):
These things happen...at all airlines. Once located, the clubs were delivered.
Quoting northwestair (Reply 9):
United didn't loose anything they were just delayed
Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
Just as a point of order UA found them and is delivering them tomorrow.

Oh look, some facts!!!

Agreed, people should look at the facts. Since news media won't always do that, does anyone on this board who works for UA know whether it would be feasible for either UA to store these in the First Class closet or to have Global Services develop some kind of special handling for high value / high visibility people? Seems to me that things like the Global Services centers and Mercedes GL transfers (e.g. at ORD) already lend themselves to Red/Blue Carpet treatment of such people and their most precious belongings. Why risk the bad PR? That dumb "UA breaks guitars" line is still being quoted years later...
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:51 pm

Quoting northwestair (Reply 9):
United didn't loose anything they were just delayed

lost

adjective
1.
no longer possessed or retained: lost friends.
2.
no longer to be found: lost articles.
3.
having gone astray or missed the way; bewildered as to place, direction, etc.: lost children.
4.
not used to good purpose, as opportunities, time, or labor; wasted: a lost advantage.
5.
being something that someone has failed to win: a lost prize.

I would question #3 though. It is only "lost" temporarily then.

de·layed
[ di láyd ]

made late: made to happen later than intended or expected
happening later: happening after a period of time

I travel frequently and have never had a bag LOST. (at least not yet) I have had them DELAYED many times, usually as a result of the kind of travel I do.

Quoting cle757 (Reply 24):
Very low morale at UA...management treats employees like crap= customers receive bad service

So, if management treats you like crap, that means you should take it out on the customers? If enough employees think like that, you will all be in the unemployment line soon. Why not treat the customer well and show management that you're worth more than outsourcing?
 
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:22 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 33):
Self employed people pay less in taxes than a company and individual pay together. Sure it's more taxes than if he was employed but it is less than the combined employee/r rates.

Also, Medicaide disappears after like $150k, and he makes that by waking up in the morning.

Keep in mind depending on his citizenship status he could be exempt from some Social Security and/or Medicare taxes.

In tax year 2014, the following holds true of these taxes:

Social Security: Up to $117,000 taxed at 6.2% (or 12.4% as the employee and employer each pay)
Medicare: 1.45% up to $200,000 (or 2.0% as the employee and employer each pay) and 2.35% above $200,000 for single filers.

A self-employed individual pays 15.3% in Social Security and Medicare, while a W2 employee is paying half of that as the employer will match the amount.
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:13 am

I for one am glad to see that UA treats Rory the same way they treat me as they have "lost" my sticks four times and found them three times. .750 is only good in baseball so I've not trusted the old bag to UA again.

And from the way he played at Fota Island, UA may have lost his game along the way as well.   
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RE: United Loses Rory Mcilroys Golf Clubs

Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:01 am

Quoting ytib (Reply 37):
Keep in mind depending on his citizenship status he could be exempt from some Social Security and/or Medicare taxes.

Tell me where I need to go get a citizenship status from to get out of those ridiculous programs.

I would love to get out of them, seeing as I pay about as much as 50% to those programs a month as I pay to house myself.

I will count my blessings if I see 1/3 of that money back.

Quoting ytib (Reply 37):
In tax year 2014, the following holds true of these taxes:

Social Security: Up to $117,000 taxed at 6.2% (or 12.4% as the employee and employer each pay)
Medicare: 1.45% up to $200,000 (or 2.0% as the employee and employer each pay) and 2.35% above $200,000 for single filers.

A self-employed individual pays 15.3% in Social Security and Medicare, while a W2 employee is paying half of that as the employer will match the amount.

Yeah so okay, I got SS and medicaide mixed up, I knew one of them was capped at 125-150k

Didn't know medicare jumped. How rediculous.

Anyways, thanks for googling for the lazy ones.

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