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LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:52 am

One of the two daily BOS-FRA circuits will apparently up-gauge to the 747-800 next month. Nice to see. I'm not sure the type has even diverted to Boston, never mind operate a scheduled flight through here.
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:07 am

Great news! Will it replace the A346 or the B744? Look forward to seeing it on approach.
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:28 am

Wow cool...Boston can't seem to lose lately on the aviation front
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:13 am

Really? BOS is on a roll.

Source?
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:05 am

Over on the Logan Spotters FB page a guy 'heard it' at work. I know...weak sourcing. But he went on to say the 422/423 rotation will get this bigger aircraft, and that the start date is 15 July.
 
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:01 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 4):

That's a 50 seat increase right? Makes sense given transatlantic prices this summer.
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:16 am

Will it be summer seasonal or year-round upgauge ?
 
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:08 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 6):
Will it be summer seasonal or year-round upgauge ?

I can't imagine it being anything but seasonal, but first we have to confirm this with our own eyes!  
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:18 pm

nothing changed in the GDS so far, still showing the 2x daily 744
 
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:19 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Thread starter):
747-800

I'm sorry to be "that" guy, but it's 747-8. 747-8i, if you want to be nitpicky. Boeing dropped the hundreds with the new generations. Even in the new 737MAX.

However, this is wonderful news, and congratulations to BOS! They really have been on a roll.

That makes how many new types to BOS in the past six months?
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:22 pm

Quoting Penguins (Reply 1):
Will it replace the A346 or the B744?

I don't know, but since all of LH's 346s will be based in MUC soon and FRA will be left with all the 343s, BOS will end up with a 744 and a 748 anyway. That is of course unless LH, for some reason, decide to increase capacity on one of the flights and decrease capacity on the other one...
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:27 pm

I wonder how TK is doing on this route. And also if they have been able to get any passengers from LH.
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:31 pm

Quoting LZ129 (Reply 10):
I don't know, but since all of LH's 346s will be based in MUC soon and FRA will be left with all the 343s, BOS will end up with a 744 and a 748 anyway. That is of course unless LH, for some reason, decide to increase capacity on one of the flights and decrease capacity on the other one...

where did you get that from regarding the 346 only based in FRA?
on the other the BOS market is getting more and more popular with the recent additions by ME3 and TK, so I wouldn't be surprised if we even see an downgrade to 333 during winter.
 
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:34 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 12):
where did you get that from regarding the 346 only based in FRA?

This has been an a-net rumour for some time now and for the past months LH employees kept confirming it to me. Also, if you check lh-taufnamen.de you will notice that the fleet transfer is almost completed. There is not a single 343 left in MUC and only four 346s left in FRA.
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:36 pm

Quoting Penguins (Reply 1):
Great news! Will it replace the A346 or the B744? Look forward to seeing it on approach.

Both flights were scheduled to be 747-400 in July. LH currently has a "sale", selling Germany-Boston for €979.
 
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:42 pm

The LH timetable still shows that the flight will be run on a 744

http://dl-oim.de/download/LH_Timetable_en.pdf
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:54 pm

This is not happening, sorry guys.

It was supposedly in the works for this summer but never happened. LH is thinking possibly next year and they would love to have it here with the new premium cabin, but both FRA flights will be 744s all summer and the MUC flight an A346. If/when it does happen, it will operate the LH422/423.
 
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:04 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 16):
It was supposedly in the works for this summer but never happened. LH is thinking possibly next year and they would love to have it here with the new premium cabin, but both FRA flights will be 744s all summer and the MUC flight an A346. If/when it does happen, it will operate the LH422/423.

It will be interesting to see what happens next summer since all A340-300 and 747-400 will operate without F. I'm guessing at least one of the flights from FRA will have to have F.

Quoting LZ129 (Reply 13):
This has been an a-net rumour for some time now and for the past months LH employees kept confirming it to me. Also, if you check lh-taufnamen.de you will notice that the fleet transfer is almost completed. There is not a single 343 left in MUC and only four 346s left in FRA.

I don't see how this can work. There are five A340-600 still stationed in FRA. What would MUC do with five additional longhaul planes? That would mean around four new routes...
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:03 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 16):

Definitly will be A340s (don't know 343 or 346) in July on the afternoon run.

Cheers!

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Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:23 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Thread starter):

Do you think there will be still substantial demand for transit passengers using LH traveling from BOS to India or in Asia that would be justified for the uptake? I'm not stating about Europe travelers but I think with Emirates, people esp. traveling to India will almost always prefer to travel Emirates than the traditional European based carriers.
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:24 pm

They've brought the 747 to BOS before, I saw it twice two years ago, that thing is huge!
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:26 pm

Quoting flyinTLow (Reply 18):
Definitly will be A340s (don't know 343 or 346) in July on the afternoon run.

Cheers!

flyinTLow

Didn't check every date in July, but a sampling of a few at either end of the month shows both LH FRA-BOS flights operating with 744s. Last summer the later rotation used a 343. The MUC flight is currently a 346, but was downguaged to a 343 over the winter.

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Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:37 pm

During the summer months, it is common for both of the FRA flights to operate 744. They are operating two 744s tonight for example.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 19):
Do you think there will be still substantial demand for transit passengers using LH traveling from BOS to India or in Asia that would be justified for the uptake? I'm not stating about Europe travelers but I think with Emirates, people esp. traveling to India will almost always prefer to travel Emirates than the traditional European based carriers.

LH definitely exhibiting a pattern to win back lost pax and fight back ME3.

1) Introduction of Premium Economy on it B748i to India
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...my-class-photo-pictures-video.html

2) Use *A
http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report...dia-to-check-gulf-carriers-1995762

3) Possible launch of A380 ops to India

4) Relaunch of economy heavy A340s from MUC. I wish this is based out of FRA.
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:18 pm

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 9):
I'm sorry to be "that" guy

Then don't be, but don't apologize for something before doing it, when the choice to do it was entirely in your control.

747-8, 747-8i, 747-800, 748, 748i

Who cares, we all know what he means, and that is the point.

Sorry to be "that guy" to call you out for being "that guy".
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:06 am

Have to take it all back!

Only 4 days next month: Will be LH420/421 for only 4 days with an A343. Starting 11 JUL untill 14 JUL.

Reason for that: I dont know...
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:13 am

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 23):
1) Introduction of Premium Economy on it B748i to India
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201....html

in fact, that would be a very, very smart move to get back some traffic, because BOM (eff. 10DEC14) and DEL (eff. 22APR15) are going to see the 748i with Premium Eco; however, the BOS route will remain 744 thus not offering this product. Nevertheless, the elimination of First Class and at the same time adding more Economy seats will certainly enable for lower prices (seeking for volume instead of yield).

will be a tough fight!
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:32 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 23):

I still think it maybe a long shot to entice South Asia passengers away from Middle East especially emirates from Boston. The sheer connections and available flights ti different cities in India especially would be tough to emulate for LH. Dubai airport is a sheer pleasure and no offenses FRA is no way close to that be it shopping or any other pleasure. Again happy to LH but I think they and other European carriers have lost the heavy indian travelers.
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:04 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 27):
Again happy to LH but I think they and other European carriers have lost the heavy indian travelers.

This is a very price sensitive market. Those travelers will fly with whoever offers the cheapest fares, regardless of brand and amenities.
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:39 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 28):
This is a very price sensitive market. Those travelers will fly with whoever offers the cheapest fares, regardless of brand and amenities.

Exactly. LH group (or any european legacy) doesn't have the cost structure for these bottom barrel travelers. The ME3 can take these 5cpm fares.

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 27):
I still think it maybe a long shot to entice South Asia passengers away from Middle East especially emirates from Boston. The sheer connections and available flights ti different cities in India especially would be tough to emulate for LH. Dubai airport is a sheer pleasure and no offenses FRA is no way close to that be it shopping or any other pleasure. Again happy to LH but I think they and other European carriers have lost the heavy indian travelers.

Between DEL BOM BLR MAA PNQ, LH already has the largest cities and richest cities covered (where the bulk of all business travel heads to). Their 388 and 748 are as competitive as anything on the market (if you can overlook the lack of all aisle access J, which is something SWISS lacks too but it hasn't hurt their J sales at all).

The impending joining on AI into Star (rumor for July) will add close to 20 destinations from DEL and roughly 15 from BOM, giving even more comprehensive coverage than EK/QR.
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:35 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 29):

Just not denying the fact for the cost conscious travelers but most folks who travel to India feel more personable and well-treated with EK/QR than European based carriers. Maybe that's a perception but that's something more stronger. I'm sure most folks must have realized where I come from   and I always travel LH but now I'll be taking EK to enjoy the Dubai experience in addition to my flight. No denying LH's strong presence esp. in India but vibes are far stronger with EK/QR and people wouldn't mind to pay a bit more people wouldn't mind. As regards AI- even people from India don't prefer to travel them simply because they are not reliable thanks to multiple issues outside of this forum,
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:01 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 30):
Just not denying the fact for the cost conscious travelers but most folks who travel to India feel more personable and well-treated with EK/QR than European based carriers. Maybe that's a perception but that's something more stronger. I'm sure most folks must have realized where I come from and I always travel LH but now I'll be taking EK to enjoy the Dubai experience in addition to my flight. No denying LH's strong presence esp. in India but vibes are far stronger with EK/QR and people wouldn't mind to pay a bit more people wouldn't mind. As regards AI- even people from India don't prefer to travel them simply because they are not reliable thanks to multiple issues outside of this forum,

I guess my personal perception of LH has been skewed by my 4 segments in LH F, which at times felt better than CX F. But then again I love and respect everything German, so I'm definitely a biased perspective.
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:34 pm

The so called DXB experience is not that significant for U.S. based passengers. People love places like DXB and SIN for the shopping opportunities that it presents. That is especially true of Indians. However, in the U.S. we already have some of the cheapest retail prices in the World so I doubt you can find stuff in DXB that costs less than you can buy on the street in the U.S.
As for the treatment of the passengers you do have a point. In general, Asian carriers have a better level of customer service. I have never flown wit EK so I can't comment on that but I have heard plenty of bad reviews regarding the EK soft product and I have personally never experienced bad service from LH.
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:36 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 30):
Just not denying the fact for the cost conscious travelers but most folks who travel to India feel more personable and well-treated with EK/QR than European based carriers.

in fact, the reason why LH has still something to say in the Northamerica-India market is the fact that there are still people being loyal for so many years. they are of course price sensitive, but LH is (and with Eco-heavy 744s remain) competitive against ME3+TK in the BOS-India market.

Nevertheless, there is more than only India-bound departing from BOS. Europe and in particular the Eastern parts with the Baltics and the Balkan is quite popular and much more convenient via FRA/MUC/LHR/CDG, etc.
Also, Turkey and the Middle East generates some return traffic. I'm sure the direct flights such as BOS-IST will always be more expensive than let's say BOS-FRA/MUC-IST.

BOS market is quite diverese and it will be interesting to watch the 'fight' for every single passenger/yield.
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 33):
Also, Turkey and the Middle East generates some return traffic. I'm sure the direct flights such as BOS-IST will always be more expensive than let's say BOS-FRA/MUC-IST.

And strangely, BOS-IST-FRA is often cheaper than BOS-FRA.
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:53 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 33):
BOS market is quite diverese and it will be interesting to watch the 'fight' for every single passenger/yield.

Prices are sky-high this summer for Europe traffic alone from BOS - I think LH would rather have EK and TK take the low yielding subcontinent traffic (though prices are not cheap on those two airlines right now either) and fill the plane with better yielding (per seat mile) European traffic.

Go on ITA's website and compare LH's cost to fly to BOS-FRA-DEL to BOS-FRA-VIE for the month of August (I ran a 7 night stay search with LH connections at FRA). The results will shock you.


It might get interesting come November though: especially competing for passengers with TK at BOS.
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:18 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 35):

Prices are sky-high this summer for Europe traffic alone from BOS - I think LH would rather have EK and TK take the low yielding subcontinent traffic

I predicted this. Fares are sky high because the European carriers are having to lower prices for beyond Western Europe passengers in order to compete with EK and TK, and they are using the TATL passengers to subsidize those fares. IMO they are playing a dangerous game because this could open the door to potential TATL low cost carriers. As it is, FI is growing fast at BOS. Wouldn't surprise me to see the likes of Norwegian coming in if fares stay this high.
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:26 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 32):

It's not just shopping exp. but the absolute love of gold shopping that entices a lot of India tourists and passengers   I agree with one of the note mentioned here that the European based carriers will have to reduce their prices to compete with EK and TK. Maybe QR is a long-shot for BOS at this time considering they already operate at PHL but maybe in the future if Ethihad may enter BOS, prices may even drop further. Until then EK can enjoy and have a gr8 time in this segment from BOS.
 
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:31 pm

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 9):
I'm sorry to be "that" guy, but it's 747-8. 747-8i, if you want to be nitpicky. Boeing dropped the hundreds with the new generations. Even in the new 737MAX.

I think we all knew what he was talking about, but if you want to waste your time correcting him on it, it's your time to waste I suppose(and a.net's bandwidth).
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:03 pm

Everybody is talking about prices being skyhigh but what do you consider as skyhigh? An increase of 30-40% to previous year or prices being at 600-700-800EUR?!?
 
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Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:27 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 37):
Maybe QR is a long-shot for BOS at this time considering they already operate at PHL but maybe in the future if Ethihad may enter BOS, prices may even drop further. Until then EK can enjoy and have a gr8 time in this segment from BOS.

When TK finally gets gets approval for more flights into India, there will be a bloodbath in the TATL market from BOS.

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 39):
Everybody is talking about prices being skyhigh but what do you consider as skyhigh? An increase of 30-40% to previous year or prices being at 600-700-800EUR?!?

When €979 is considered a sale then you know prices are high. I can fly to Hawaii for almost half of that and it's a much longer flight.
 
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Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:32 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 39):
Everybody is talking about prices being skyhigh but what do you consider as skyhigh? An increase of 30-40% to previous year or prices being at 600-700-800EUR?!?

Transatlantic seems to have gone up 50-100 dollars each year since 2007 especially with the JV partnerships maturing

BOS-MUC 7-9 night night roundtrip for July is 1540 USD/1132 EUR at the lowest non-stop.
Cheapest 1-stop is $1280USD/947 EUR and that's on TK which adds to your travel time.
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Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:34 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 40):
When TK finally gets gets approval for more flights into India, there will be a bloodbath in the TATL market from BOS.

BA and LH are already slashing BOS-BOM fares - about $200 lower than TK.

But EK seems to be holding on strong with higher than all of these.
 
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Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:22 am

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 30):
Just not denying the fact for the cost conscious travelers but most folks who travel to India feel more personable and well-treated with EK/QR than European based carriers. Maybe that's a perception but that's something more stronger. I'm sure most folks must have realized where I come from and I always travel LH but now I'll be taking EK to enjoy the Dubai experience in addition to my flight. No denying LH's strong presence esp. in India but vibes are far stronger with EK/QR and people wouldn't mind to pay a bit more people wouldn't mind. As regards AI- even people from India don't prefer to travel them simply because they are not reliable thanks to multiple issues outside of this forum,


Please cut this "most folks who travel to India feel more personable and well treated with EK" crap. Well I am not quite what that even means, I'll take it to mean you feel more at home on EK. I don't think that describes every one traveling to India.

LH has a long history in India, and along with BA) has a well established clientele. Not every one is enamored by the gaudy DXB airport or looking to buy gold! And they are no more price sensitive than any other group as 'airbazar' seems to imply; and not everyone is swayed by the potential to save a couple of bucks by flying EK.

A very large proportion of the Indian community in the US is made up of the professional class and is among the wealthiest among immigrant groups. They have no issue with the way LH treats them. I feel perfectly fine booking LH for my parents when they visit the US and have done so year after year for a decade. Regular travelers on this route know LH offers reliable, no nonsense transportation that is arguably more comfortable than the EK slave ships with their 10 across seating. And upfront, the new J and F productt on the 748 is more than competitive.

[Edited 2014-06-21 21:29:20]
 
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Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:46 am

Quoting sshank (Reply 43):
Please cut this "most folks who travel to India feel more personable and well treated with EK" crap. Well I am not quite what that even means, I'll take it to mean you feel more at home on EK. I don't think that describes every one traveling to India.

LH has a long history in India, and along with BA) has a well established clientele. Not every one is enamored by the gaudy DXB airport or looking to buy gold! And they are no more price sensitive than any other group as 'airbazar' seems to imply; and not everyone is swayed by the potential to save a couple of bucks by flying EK.

A very large proportion of the Indian community in the US is made up of the professional class and is among the wealthiest among immigrant groups. They have no issue with the way LH treats them. I feel perfectly fine booking LH for my parents when they visit the US and have done so year after year for a decade. Regular travelers on this route know LH offers reliable, no nonsense transportation that is arguably more comfortable than the EK slave ships with their 10 across seating. And upfront, the new J and F productt on the 748 is more than competitive.

Have you been through DXB since the new terminal opened? Have you flown on EK?

A decade ago, I was a loyal BA / NZ / QF / LH customer. Forty years ago my older relatives wouldn't have dreamed of buying a Japanese car. Times change.
 
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Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:22 pm

Quoting sshank (Reply 43):

Did you read what I meant? That's the typical perception that EK gathers. EK slave-ships - Wow - that's a gr8 statement - I'll keep you posted on my EK exp. as I always traveled LH but want to see a different exp.

Not to get into personal details or vendetta as that's not the intention of this forum - the numbers speak for themselves when you compare the success rates of all Middle East airlines especially with India.
 
airbazar
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:45 pm

Quoting sshank (Reply 43):
LH has a long history in India, and along with BA) has a well established clientele. Not every one is enamored by the gaudy DXB airport or looking to buy gold! And they are no more price sensitive than any other group as 'airbazar' seems to imply; and not everyone is swayed by the potential to save a couple of bucks by flying EK.

You are the exception. Whether you like it or not it is a very price sensitive market. I work for a very large IT company with a presence in India that is over 10,000 strong, and a few thousand here in the U.S. Wealthy or not I can tell you with 100% certainty that VFR traffic in general, not just Indian, has zero loyalty towards any given airline. It is always about the price.

I agree with you that Lufthansa has a very strong following in India but that was created by offering a solid product and competitive prices. Remove the "competitive pricing" out of the equation and LH will lose. They know that and htey are responding by converting some of their airplanes to the same high density seating in Y that you call "slave ship".
 
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:16 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 46):
You are the exception. Whether you like it or not it is a very price sensitive market. I work for a very large IT company with a presence in India that is over 10,000 strong, and a few thousand here in the U.S. Wealthy or not I can tell you with 100% certainty that VFR traffic in general, not just Indian, has zero loyalty towards any given airline. It is always about the price.

I agree with you that Lufthansa has a very strong following in India but that was created by offering a solid product and competitive prices. Remove the "competitive pricing" out of the equation and LH will lose. They know that and htey are responding by converting some of their airplanes to the same high density seating in Y that you call "slave ship".

You may be right about the India domiciled traffic and those working for Indian companies. The US domiciled pax, even VFR, don't all fall in that category.

In any case, it appears that LH is not giving up without a fight - for the winter schedule BOM, DEL and BLR will be operated by the 747-8, and MAA gets an up-gauge to 744 as well (despite not offering an opportunity to buy gold along the way).

[Edited 2014-06-24 12:20:39]

[Edited 2014-06-24 12:21:15]
 
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:59 pm

Quoting sshank (Reply 47):
You may be right about the India domiciled traffic and those working for Indian companies. The US domiciled pax, even VFR, don't all fall in that category.

No large group anywhere, really, fall into any single category. There is India POS premium traffic as well, and certainly EK has its share of these passengers travelling across its network. India has been an important source market for Emirates long before its expansion into the USA back in 2004.

USA-India fares tend to be comparatively low when accounting for distance, and competition by multiple players drives fares down. A few decades ago, LH carved a nice niche in carrying these passengers, but times have changed.

Assuming there is greater economic growth and an improved investment climate in India in coming years benefiting German companies, LH should do fine in India. For their USA flights, they have tons of markets to work with.
 
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RE: LH Brings 747-8 To BOS In July

Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:38 am

Quoting sshank (Reply 47):
In any case, it appears that LH is not giving up without a fight - for the winter schedule BOM, DEL and BLR will be operated by the 747-8, and MAA gets an up-gauge to 744 as well (despite not offering an opportunity to buy gold along the way).

That's not a good thing. Doesn't the 748 have the lowest percentage of Y seats of any aircraft in the fleet? That tells me that they are losing the battle for the Y passenger.

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 48):
Assuming there is greater economic growth and an improved investment climate in India in coming years benefiting German companies, LH should do fine in India. For their USA flights, they have tons of markets to work with.

That's the thing, LH is not in India for the German market. They are in India for the US market. The Germany economy is far more invested in East Asia than India. When I was in India the last time I watched a very interesting TV report about how Germans found it extremely difficult to setup a presence in India because of all the bureaucracy and corruption, which affects everyone but Germans in particular are ill-prepared to deal with it. One German business man that was interview said that he quit trying after 6 months when it got to the point that he had to bribe the mail delivery person just so he could get his mail, so he move his company to China.

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