LCC With Two Aircraft Types?

flyingturtle · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:32 pm

Dear a.nutters,

is there - or has been there - any LCC company that successfully operated two or more different kinds of aircraft?

I know that U2 transitioned from 737-700 to 319/320 and operated two types at the same time. And nowadays, their 319 and 320 share the same type rating, and serve more or less the same routes. The same is with Wizz Air (320 now, plus 321 in the future).

But something like 737 and 767? 320 and 330?

David

Mortyman · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:37 pm

Norwegian Air Shuttle / Norwegian Long Haul has:

* Boeing 737-300
* Boeing 737-800
* Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner

They have on order:

* Airbus 320 neo
* Boeing 737 MAX 8
* Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner

By 2016 / 2017 they will have all these types, except most likely the Boeing 737-300 in operation.

[Edited 2014-06-22 10:43:27]

ASFlyer · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:38 pm

Jet Blue operates the A320/321 and the EMB 190.

Air Tran operated the B717 and the B737-700

KarelXWB · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:38 pm

Cebu Pacific Air and Skymark Airlines comes to mind.

FWAERJ · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:40 pm

Allegiant operates three types: the MD-80, A319/320, and 757.

fly_yhm · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:41 pm

WestJet has Boeing 737-600-700-800 and also have Bombardier Dash-8-400s

opethfan · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:42 pm

Quoting fly_yhm (Reply 5):

And a good chance of a WB, soon, too.

flyingturtle · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:47 pm

That many? I should have known Norwegian and their 787, but I always believed LCCs would concentrate on a single type...

Thank you destroying my ignorance,

David

KarelXWB · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:48 pm

Scoot will soon operate 777s and 787s.

And let's not forget AirAsia with A320s and A330s.

We also have Nok Air with 737s and ATR aircraft.

specks159 · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:57 pm

Jetstar has:

A320
A321
A332
B788 (replacing the A332's)

AirFiero · Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:58 pm

I've wondered if Southwest could get a fleet of RJ's to use for smaller cities, and make that work, financially?

KarelXWB · Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:04 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 7):
That many?

And there are more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines

The above page shows a list of low cost carriers. Have a look at their fleets, you will discover many low cost carriers with more than 1 aircraft type.

dtw2hyd · Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:05 pm

SpiceJet has

Boeing B737-800
Boeing B737-900ER
Bombardier Dash-8 Q400

OzarkD9S · Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:10 pm

America West (not necessarily at the same time but there was overlap):

737
747
757
A320
DH8

and now they essentially run AA, though no longer considered LCC.

DIJKKIJK · Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:21 pm

Jet2 has 737s and 757s.

juanchito · Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:23 pm

Interjet

A320 and SSJ100

Juanchito

DocLightning · Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:26 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
and now they essentially run AA, though no longer considered LCC.

Amazing. Podunk little America West has now become the world's largest airline.

Burkhard · Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:48 pm

Air Berlin, with A320, A321, A330, B737, B738 - but I doubt you can call them successfull ...

KarelXWB · Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:50 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 17):
Air Berlin, with A320, A321, A330, B737, B738 - but I doubt you can call them successfull ...

Air Berlin was changed to a full-cost carrier in 2010. This topic is about low-cost carriers

TWA772LR · Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:07 pm

Quoting AirFiero (Reply 10):

They were looking very closely at the E190 when the ejets were debuting.

727LOVER · Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:20 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 2):
Air Tran operated the B717 and the B737-700

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
Allegiant operates three types: the MD-80, A319/320, and 757.

I believe in both cases, they didn't have a choice,

Quoting AirFiero (Reply 10):
I've wondered if Southwest could get a fleet of RJ's to use for smaller cities, and make that work, financially?

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
They were looking very closely at the E190 when the ejets were debuting.

Then why get rid of the 717s???

starrymarkb · Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:10 pm

Flybe with Q400 and E-Jets (with mixed results) and before that Q400 and BAe146

Boeing744 · Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:48 pm

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 21):
Flybe with Q400 and E-Jets (with mixed results) and before that Q400 and BAe146

Yes, but they had all three of those at the same time. I recall flying SZG-SOU on a BAe146 (substituted from a Q400) and seeing some E195s in SOU. The BAe146 was also all-white, with covered up AF colours!

fanofjets · Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:12 pm

In the 1980s, Air Florida was flying Boeing 737s on short-haul routes and DC-10s on trans-Atlantic charters:

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Previously, the carrier flew DC-9s and Lockheed Electras, in addition to a handful of other types.

CrimsonNL · Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:59 pm

Pegasus Airlines, PC, has currently 49 738's active and 4 A320's, they have orders for 32S NEO's!

Also Germanwings, 4U, has Eurowings, EW, CR9's operating for them apart from their own 32S fleet.

Martijn

[Edited 2014-06-22 17:00:43]

American 767 · Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:02 am

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 23):
Air Florida was flying Boeing 737s on short-haul routes and DC-10s on trans-Atlantic charters

Boeing 727s also.

People Express flew 727s, 737s and 747s.

There was a time when Southwest flew both the 727 and the 737, though that didn't last long.

There was a time when Sun Country flew both the 727 and the DC-10.

Citibird, a Belgian LCC, flew three types: the MD-11, the 767 and the 737.

Condor, a German LCC, also flew three types: the DC-10, the 757 and the 767.

Martinair, a Dutch LCC, flew the 767 and the MD-11.

Balair, a Swiss LCC, flew the DC-8, the DC-9/MD-80, the DC-10, the A310 and the 767.

Britannia, a British LCC, flew the 737, the 757 and the 767.

Viscount724 · Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:12 am

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 23):
In the 1980s, Air Florida was flying Boeing 737s on short-haul routes and DC-10s on trans-Atlantic charters:

The Air Florida DC-10s also operated scheduled services.to Europe in their last few years of existence.

INFINITI329 · Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:16 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
Then why get rid of the 717s???

717s cost just as much a 737 to operate as far as I know. So WN would have gotten 26 less seats, less range, less cargo capacity for something that cost just as much as a 737 to operate. They would a need true 100 seater such as the c-series or ejet if they decided to go smaller markets... (which i think they should)

Mortyman · Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:38 am

Air Florida even flew to Norway !

qf002 · Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:52 am

Quoting specks159 (Reply 9):

And JQ previously flew A320s and 717s alongside each other (IIRC the 717s were gone by the time the A332s joined the fleet).

ajhYXE · Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:53 am

RV (Air Canada Rouge) operates a fleet of A319 and 767-300ER aircraft, if you consider them a separate carrier.

hoons90 · Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:59 am

Asiana's low-cost subsidiary Air Busan has the A320, A321, 737-400 and 737-500.

slowrambler · Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:10 am

ATA operated quite a few types; at the end they had 738, 752, and 753 aircraft in their narrowbody fleet.

joeytaffy93 · Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:13 am

As mentioned above Skymark Airlines comes to mind recently with their new Airbus A330-200s and Boeing 737-800s.

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[Edited 2014-06-22 23:14:55]

a320fan · Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:44 am

The old Virgin Blue which considered itself a low cost carrier had;
737 (700,800)
E170
E190
777-300er

UA444 · Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:13 am

Quoting slowrambler (Reply 32):
ATA operated quite a few types; at the end they had 738, 752, and 753 aircraft in their narrowbody fleet

And then the DC-10 and L1011.

SuperSix2 · Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:06 am

Ryanair with 738 and now a few 734 temp leased

migair54 · Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:16 am

Cebu pacific has A320, A330 and ATR.

Norweigan has B737 and B787.

catiii · Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:19 pm

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 23):
In the 1980s, Air Florida was flying Boeing 737s on short-haul routes and DC-10s on trans-Atlantic charters:

I believe the threshold was "successful"

Quoting flyingturtle (Thread starter):
is there - or has been there - any LCC company that successfully operated two or more different kinds of aircraft?

dtw2hyd · Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:29 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 38):
I believe the threshold was "successful"

I read a comment on different forum, successful LCC's have only one model. Makes this thread more interesting.

GT4EZY · Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:55 pm

There comes a point where the synegies/benefits of having one type reaches their optimum. Thereafter, it doesn't really cost anything extra by having a second type. That is what I was once told anyway.

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