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Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:30 pm

The first Azul A-330 was delivered and in my opinion it's beautifull, click here for some pics:

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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:35 pm

OOOooooooohhhh....will this be hitting MIA soon?   
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:38 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):

OOOooooooohhhh....will this be hitting MIA soon?   

Close! They'll be using FLL  
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:40 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 2):
Close! They'll be using FLL

Either way.......YAAAAAAY!!!!!   
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:28 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 2):
Close! They'll be using FLL

BOOOOOOOOO!         
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:51 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 4):
BOOOOOOOOO!

May I ask you something???

I mean really........even MAH is a champion for all of South Florida. But I have seen this behavior consistently from you.


Why do you hate FLL so much?

Seriously, its childish.   
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:58 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 5):
Why do you hate FLL so much?

HAHA. No. It's all a misunderstanding. I don't hate FLL.      

I actually love FLL. But MIA will always be number 1 to me.

I'm just having fun. Not hating. Just having fun.
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:03 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 6):
HAHA. No. It's all a misunderstanding. I don't hate FLL.

I actually love FLL. But MIA will always be number 1 to me.

I'm just having fun. Not hating. Just having

Hmmmmmm....  

OK....I will take you @ your word.....but again....I have seen some past comments from you.

I'll be watching   
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:13 pm

Any infos on the interior? Did they install their own, what config is it? Do they have some kind of premium product and how does it look?
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:56 pm

I love this airline! The new VARIG!
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:18 am

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 8):

Interior will be installed by Tam M&E in Rio after customs clearance and Brazilian registration.

I'm also curious!   
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:20 am

Quoting VC10er (Reply 9):

I fully agree! Best in Brazil. Tam only was good when the founder was alive.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:32 am

Wishing them the best of luck. The established carriers between Brazil and North America have left lots of niches for ambitious carriers to fill. GOL slept and missed its chance, but Azul will likely do it right. CNF-FLL seems like it can't miss. And if UA won't fly GIG-EWR, I suspect that Azul soon will.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:06 am

How did they get it so quick. I just remember reading the order thread. Looks stunning!
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Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:05 am

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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:41 am

Funny I had thought that the A332 was moribund due to A333 enhancements...seems at least one airline still wants them...


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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:45 am

Quick question.

Is it usual for the ferry flight to carry an Irish registration? Is this leased to someone in Ireland (Aviation Finance)?

Usually aircraft tests on the F- register (Airbus) and then transfers to the home country register, in this instance PR- at the point of handover. This aircraft is carrying EI-FEL on the irish register?

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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:33 am

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 16):
Is it usual for the ferry flight to carry an Irish registration? Is this leased to someone in Ireland (Aviation Finance)?

It is leased FROM someone in Ireland. EI-FEL belongs to AerCap and is to become PR-AIZ.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:18 am

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 16):
Usually aircraft tests on the F- register (Airbus)

This is a used bird, so won't have carried it's test registration for some time.

Quoting a320fan (Reply 13):
How did they get it so quick.

The fact it's second hand also explains the speed between lease signing and a/c arrival.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:56 am

As much as I like an A330, I would LOVE this livery on a 787-9.

The symbol of Brasil and all the states in multi colors is AWESOME. Such a happy airline!
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:22 pm

Quoting jfkgig (Reply 12):
Wishing them the best of luck. The established carriers between Brazil and North America have left lots of niches for ambitious carriers to fill. GOL slept and missed its chance, but Azul will likely do it right. CNF-FLL seems like it can't miss. And if UA won't fly GIG-EWR, I suspect that Azul soon will.

Considering the strong Jet Blue base in JFK, don't expect that to happen. They will fly next year VCP-JFK with no doubt.
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:57 pm

What do you guys think the like hood of the board at B6 asking Neeleman to come back? They kicked him out, and not only is he doing well in Brazil with another "blue" airline, but he's also strategically targeting airports in the US that B6 is located. I expect at least a codeshare soon.
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:47 pm

Great day for Brazilian aviation to have a second carrier take a widebodied plane!
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:52 pm

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 21):
What do you guys think the like hood of the board at B6 asking Neeleman to come back?

You should rather ask what his interest in that would be? I don't think he has any interest in returning to B6. He has a new airline now, in a much more dynamic and growing market than the US market. I imagine he is having a lot more fun than before.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 21):
but he's also strategically targeting airports in the US that B6 is located.

That, I would say, is much less owed to his personal relationship with B6 but much more an effect of common sense. He has to fly his widebodies into ports where he can get domestic feed. B6 is the perfect airline for that:

a) they serve airports in the two most important markets, Miami and New York, that he would (and will) fly to.
b) they are present in both airports - getting a codeshare with them is much more attractive than getting two separate agreements, it garners much more effect for frequent fliers.
c) B6 has a rather similar product strategy. Matching those always makes sense.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:19 pm

Quoting faro (Reply 15):
Funny I had thought that the A332 was moribund due to A333 enhancements...seems at least one airline still wants them...

Could be a few reasons:
1) Availability. They would likely be waiting a very long time to get an A333.
2) The smaller A332 is a safer bet for an airline just starting long haul operations.
3) Range for future routes. VCP-Europe is outside the range of the A333, for example.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:53 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
Could be a few reasons:
1) Availability. They would likely be waiting a very long time to get an A333.
2) The smaller A332 is a safer bet for an airline just starting long haul operations.
3) Range for future routes. VCP-Europe is outside the range of the A333, for example

Availability... they plan to replace them as soon as they got some A350's

So far there's no plans for routes to Europe.
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:57 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 25):
Availability... they plan to replace them as soon as they got some A350's

The A350s are due in 2017, the A330s are a nice interim solution if you can't wait three more years.
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:08 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 25):
Availability... they plan to replace them as soon as they got some A350's
So far there's no plans for routes to Europe.

Indeed, thank you.
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:36 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 27):
Wow, only 245 seats. That's no LCC density.

35 fully flat J-Class seats take their toll. Depending on the product that's roughly 13 rows of Economy seating at a 31 pitch, or 104 seats at 8 abreast. So, an airline without J might squeeze 315 seats in (taking an unaltered number of extra-legroom seating); which would take it to aprox. the same density Jetstar is using.

I think it's no question anymore whether or not Azul and JetBlue will partner, but the degree of integration will be interesting to see. Mind, JetBlue have only just started to go more premium to compete with the majors on transcon, and now they will get premium-integrated connections to one of the hottest markets from the US. I've always found it very unlikely that JetBlue would start long haul routes themselves, and I have always considered JetBlue a great partner for other unaligned airlines flying into the US.
A very interesting development affecting both a market that is largely saturated and a hot high growth market, that's the way I like to see it. Kudos to Neeleman.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:21 pm

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 28):

I think it's no question anymore whether or not Azul and JetBlue will partner, but the degree of integration will be interesting to see. Mind, JetBlue have only just started to go more premium to compete with the majors on transcon, and now they will get premium-integrated connections to one of the hottest markets from the US. I've always found it very unlikely that JetBlue would start long haul routes themselves, and I have always considered JetBlue a great partner for other unaligned airlines flying into the US.

Only 5 A350's don't give you a lot of long haul routes. If they are putting lie-flat seats and a Y+ cabin that tells me that they have to operate red-eye flights in both directions. 5 aircraft allows for a maximum of 3 routes. Even if they keep the 332's, that's still only 6 or 7 long haul routes. If you consider that places like FLL and JFK can easily go double daily, that doesn't leave a lot of room in the fleet for many other long haul destinations.

I have no doubt that B6 will enter the long haul market eventually. All signs indicate that FLL and BOS will be international hubs for B6 and its partners. Draw a 3,500nm circle around both of those and IMO that will be B6's long haul network  http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=3500nm%...500nm%40FLL&MS=wls&RS=shaded&DU=nm
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 29):
Only 5 A350's don't give you a lot of long haul routes.

True, but you should consider that they are getting them all from ILFC. This is no order of their own. So, they could rather easily source more via lessors with rather short notice (comparatively). And I believe they will, because such a very limited long haul operation lacks economies of scale on a lot of fronts and I find it very likely that they will want to open more routes to better utilize equipment and related services.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 29):
I have no doubt that B6 will enter the long haul market eventually.

I don't think they will. The US market is rather saturated, also on the long haul front. There is potential, particularly to Asia, but the majors and foreign carriers are already sucking that up and don't leave much room.
Also, the most important markets from the US (US-EU and US-JP) are gridlocked by antitrust immunized joint ventures and are very difficult to compete in. We have seen very few new entrants in those markets since those JVs were put in place.

And with Neeleman now picking up the third most interesting market from the US, which is Brazil, from his side - I don't see any room for a B6 long haul operation, less than ever.
I find it a very smart move from Neeleman to have 'waited' for Azul to go into long haul instead of doing it with JetBlue. There is much more potential for a new player in Brazil than there ever was for JetBlue, and the first market he is moving into is basically the only long haul market that would have ever made sense for B6. Very smart indeed and with a lot of potential for the future in my opinion.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:55 pm

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 30):
I don't think they will. The US market is rather saturated, also on the long haul front. There is potential, particularly to Asia, but the majors and foreign carriers are already sucking that up and don't leave much room.
Also, the most important markets from the US (US-EU and US-JP) are gridlocked by antitrust immunized joint ventures and are very difficult to compete in. We have seen very few new entrants in those markets since those JVs were put in place.

Depending on their product, there are opportunities.
For example just looking to Brazil, they can fly FLL-FOR, FLL-NAT, JFK-CNF, JFK-BSB and JFK-GIG.
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:32 pm

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 30):
I don't think they will. The US market is rather saturated, also on the long haul front.

Have you looked at the cost of TATL flying lately? Saturated because it's too expensive. If an airline is able to come in and lower fares the market will explode in the same way LCC expanded the domestic markets. Ask anyone if they'd like to travel to Europe and they'll answer with: yes but it's too expensive.

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 30):
There is much more potential for a new player in Brazil than there ever was for JetBlue, and the first market he is moving into is basically the only long haul market that would have ever made sense for B6. Very smart indeed and with a lot of potential for the future in my opinion.

There's also a lot of question marks regarding Brazil's economy post-WC and post-Olympics. Long haul operations do not exist in a vacuum, independent of the domestic operations. Azul's point of sale is in Brazil while B6's point of sale is in the US. If the Brazilian economy collapses there will be a lot of empty seats on both Azul/TAM/Gol planes and their long haul operations will surely be affected.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:40 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 32):
There's also a lot of question marks regarding Brazil's economy post-WC and post-Olympics. Long haul operations do not exist in a vacuum, independent of the domestic operations. Azul's point of sale is in Brazil while B6's point of sale is in the US. If the Brazilian economy collapses there will be a lot of empty seats on both Azul/TAM/Gol planes and their long haul operations will surely be affected.

If that happens, the USD will become very strong against the Brazilian Real and the routes would see more Americans and less Brazilians as it use to be during 2002-2006.
Routes to places such as GIG, REC, SSA and FOR would see no major damage.

Damage would be within routes were the leisure origin (in the Brazilian side) are strong and the focus on the tourism isn't that big, or they do not have a VFR component capable to compensate.
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:46 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 32):
Have you looked at the cost of TATL flying lately? Saturated because it's too expensive. If an airline is able to come in and lower fares the market will explode in the same way LCC expanded the domestic markets. Ask anyone if they'd like to travel to Europe and they'll answer with: yes but it's too expensive.

Sure, you are definitely right about that. I'd also love to fly over to New York or so for a weekend trip now and then and don't do it because it's to expensive for such a short trip, but don't forget much of the price is not in the hands of the airlines, particularly on long haul routes.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 32):
There's also a lot of question marks regarding Brazil's economy post-WC and post-Olympics.

I am not terribly knowledgable about the Brazil economy, but I imagine those events are not having that much of an effect. I am pretty confident in continuing growth there.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:57 pm

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 34):

Sure, you are definitely right about that. I'd also love to fly over to New York or so for a weekend trip now and then and don't do it because it's to expensive for such a short trip, but don't forget much of the price is not in the hands of the airlines, particularly on long haul routes.

But a lot of it is, like the ridiculously outrageous fuel surcharges.
 
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RE: Azul's First A-330 Delivered! (with Pics)

Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:55 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 35):
Sure, you are definitely right about that. I'd also love to fly over to New York or so for a weekend trip now and then and don't do it because it's to expensive for such a short trip, but don't forget much of the price is not in the hands of the airlines, particularly on long haul routes.
But a lot of it is, like the ridiculously outrageous fuel surcharges.

Yes, and another factor hindering the market are the absurd visa practices of both Brazil and the US. I just spoke to somebody who was in the Brazilian Consulate in New York to get a tourist visa today, and was told that it would take 17 days! I don't need to mention the hassles and indignities suffered by Brazilians at U.S. consulates in Brazil, but I think that most Brazilians inclined and able to travel, already have visas. US citizens however, unaccustomed to needing Visas to go to very many places, will just go someplace else. If these governments ever decided to end this insanity, and allow visa free travel, I think that it would unleash a torrent of U.S. tourist demand.

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