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dfwjim1
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Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:06 pm

Hi everyone,

I just noticed that UAL is flying a CR7 on a red eye from SFO to DFW. Has this flight been in place for a while? Has anyone had the opportunity to travel on this flight? Is there much of a demand for a red eye on regional jet?

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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:16 pm

Quoting dfwjim1 (Thread starter):
Has this flight been in place for a while?

Since June. However, others, like SFO-AUS have been operating for nearly a year.

Quoting dfwjim1 (Thread starter):
Is there much of a demand for a red eye on regional jet?

Like most red-eyes, there is demand, but the flight usually doesn't go out full.

edit- Corrected city pair.

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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:17 pm

The flight has been operating since the beginning of June. It replaces the SAT red-eye. So both DFW/AUS have CR7 red-eye flights, however AUS has occasionally gone Mainline while there are big events down there.
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:35 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
Like most red-eyes, there is demand, but the flight usually doesn't go out full.

It's a win/win for UAL. They likely need to reposition a bird and can sell some tickets on the bird. One person or a 100%LF, it's better than a daily ferry.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
Almost a year.
Quoting as739x (Reply 2):
The flight has been operating since the beginning of June.

One of you two doesn't know the truth.
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:37 pm

Quoting bchandl (Reply 3):

while others vehemently bash UA for doing these red-eye CR7's, like you say, there is demand, it allows for placing a/c where needed the following morning and you reduce your costs by parking a/c over night. I love having these options in the network.
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:49 pm

Quoting bchandl (Reply 3):
One of you two doesn't know the truth.

I've corrected my statement. I was thinking AUS/SAT, instead of DFW.
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:49 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 4):
while others vehemently bash UA for doing these red-eye CR7's, like you say, there is demand, it allows for placing a/c where needed the following morning and you reduce your costs by parking a/c over night. I love having these options in the network.

Speaking purely on utilizing aircraft it is smart. They can run the plane starting first thing in the AM in HOU (or wherever) and run them until night time on the west coast only to turn back and fly throughout the night and be on the ground back east to do it all over again.

Pretty much round the clock available utilization time.
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:35 pm

My question is why is UA running CRJ-700 between major markets that are 3+ hours flying time?

I was on a CR7 from CLT-ORF on PSA (US Airways) and even that ~1 hour was miserable, could not get my laptop bag out from under the seat in front of me to get any work done so I just gave up and slumped against the wall to give myself some space from my neighbor. 3.5 hours would be absolutely excruciating no matter whether daytime or red-eye.

If they are like the PSA CRJ-700....no power outlets, no Wi-Fi, no-IFE and a cramped seat. No thanks!
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:40 pm

What's even worse than flying on a CR7 on SFO-DFW is the relatively short flying time itself....about three hours...with an arrival before 0500. That's pretty brutal. At least on a transcon red eye you can get several hours of sleep.
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:41 pm

This one is "better" than the E145 Continental used to have on a red-eye from Bakersfield to Houston.
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:52 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 9):

I loved having those redeyes. BFL/PHX/DEN/SLC/BOI.
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:18 am

Quoting pezzy669 (Reply 7):
My question is why is UA running CRJ-700 between major markets that are 3+ hours flying time?
Quoting pezzy669 (Reply 7):
I was on a CR7 from CLT-ORF on PSA (US Airways) and even that ~1 hour was miserable,

What did you want when you went to ORF? An A380 with 400 empty seats?
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:54 am

I remember a few years ago OO operated a TUS-ATL redeye on the CR9's for Delta Connection.

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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:15 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 11):
What did you want when you went to ORF? An A380 with 400 empty seats?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy

I know you didn't mean that seriously, but maybe he just wanted a 737 or an A320. As of Nov. 2013 there were mainline flights from ORF to SJC, MDW, STL, BNA, CLT, JAX, MCO, TPA, and BWI (granted most of those were WN/FL, but at least it shows that ORF can support 737 service). Additionally in July 2013 DL had MD88, 757, and 738 flights to ORF from ATL. (Source: Airline Route Mapper)
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:43 am

Although not very common, there's nothing against the rules about operating a red-eye with an RJ.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 9):
This one is "better" than the E145 Continental used to have on a red-eye from Bakersfield to Houston.

I remember operating a PSP-IAH red-eye in 2006 as a new First Officer. It was a productive pairing but extremely exhausting with a 1900 IAH-PSP leg followed by a couple hours on the ground in PSP and the 0100 red-eye back. I can't imagine operating a red-eye nowadays in a 50-seat E45X!
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:07 pm

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 13):

Are you sure there was a flight from ORF to SJC? I don't remember anything on WN like that.
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:52 pm

Quoting pezzy669 (Reply 7):
My question is why is UA running CRJ-700 between major markets that are 3+ hours flying time?

UA flies ERJ145s Hub to hub. See IAH to IAD, a 3h 14min flight.
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:38 pm

Quoting tylersmithSJC (Reply 15):
Are you sure there was a flight from ORF to SJC? I don't remember anything on WN like that.

No, I could certainly be wrong. Airline Route Mapper is a useful tool but there are some errors here and there.
 
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RE: Red Eye CRJ7 SFO To DFW

Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:28 pm

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 13):
I know you didn't mean that seriously, but maybe he just wanted a 737 or an A320. As of Nov. 2013 there were mainline flights from ORF to SJC, MDW, STL, BNA, CLT, JAX, MCO, TPA, and BWI (granted most of those were WN/FL, but at least it shows that ORF can support 737 service). Additionally in July 2013 DL had MD88, 757, and 738 flights to ORF from ATL. (Source: Airline Route Mapper)

If the demand was there to fill the seats, don't you think airlines would be offering those seats?

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