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ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:39 am

Are there any plans to bring the AA (not US) A319 and A321T to ORD in the near future? If so, when? Routes?
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:24 am

Would be nice to see A319s on the hourly ORD-LGA.

Other possible A319 routes:

ORD-DCA
ORD-MSP
ORD-PSP once the MD-80 is gone.
ORD-ATL
ORD-BDL
ORD-IAH
ORD-MSY

Possible A321 routes:

ORD-PHX
ORD-LAX because LAX will soon be an A319/321 pilot base, if not already.
ORD-SFO
ORD-MIA 757 replacement on MIA routes.

I imagine that at the end of this decade when there will be no more MD-80s in the fleet, the hourly ORD-DFW will see A319s and/or A321s, though I would think mostly A319s.
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:03 am

Currently there are no plans to add the a321T to anything but it's cuttent routes (JFK-LAX/SFO). I wouldn't be surprised to see them added to LAX-MIA on maybe one flight per day down the road, but I don't see it at ORD.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 1):

I feel like the US a320s would be good for the ORD-DFW flights. They are a good medium between the 319 and the 321 and offer a comparable amount of seats to the Mad Dogs.

   
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:28 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 2):
Currently there are no plans to add the a321T to anything but it's cuttent routes (JFK-LAX/SFO). I wouldn't be surprised to see them added to LAX-MIA on maybe one flight per day down the road, but I don't see it at ORD.


The 321T, identified by the "32B" code, is scheduled onto DFW/LAX, DFW/SFO, DFW/MIA and MIA/LAX beginning this August. Earlier the seat maps confirmed the 32B designation, but now appear to be for AA's high-density, two-cabin version of the 321. However, the "32B" code is still being used on these flights.

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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:11 am

I saw an AA A321 landing at ORD around 6:30 PM on Friday. Could it have been a US in American colors?
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:27 pm

319 is too small and too few premium seats for ORD-DFW (8 seats in F is too few). This route will go all 738 when the mad dogs are gone.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:31 pm

Quoting ChiSky16 (Reply 4):

It most likely was US A321 and most likely that was the one that the FA blew the slide :P
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 2):
Currently there are no plans to add the a321T to anything but it's cuttent routes (JFK-LAX/SFO). I wouldn't be surprised to see them added to LAX-MIA on maybe one flight per day down the road, but I don't see it at ORD.

Was is the configuration on the A321t? I dont think youll see the same configuration currently flying out of JFK anywhere else.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:18 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 3):
The 321T, identified by the "32B" code, is scheduled onto DFW/LAX, DFW/SFO, DFW/MIA and MIA/LAX beginning this August. Earlier the seat maps confirmed the 32B designation, but now appear to be for AA's high-density, two-cabin version of the 321. However, the "32B" code is still being used on these flights.

Not quite. The 3-class 321T is identified by the code... 321T. The two-class A321 is 32B. DFW-LAX/SFO/MIA will be servied by the two-class 32B, not 321T. Not sure about MIA-LAX - wouldn't be shocked if the 3-class bird makes it on to one or two frequencies.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:41 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 3):

The 321T, identified by the "32B" code, is scheduled onto DFW/LAX, DFW/SFO, DFW/MIA and MIA/LAX beginning this August. Earlier the seat maps confirmed the 32B designation, but now appear to be for AA's high-density, two-cabin version of the 321. However, the "32B" code is still being used on these flights.

That's incorrect.

For the benefit of everyone's understanding, there is most likely going to be three different flavors of A321s at the new AA. The 321T, which is the three class bird that's dedicated solely to LAX/SFO-JFK, the 32B, which is just a garden variety two class A321, and the PMUS A321s which in some respects, will not be brought up to the same standards as the new build 32Bs(IFE).
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:01 pm

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
Are there any plans to bring the AA (not US) A319 and A321T to ORD in the near future? If so, when? Routes?

I personally expect that once AA gets more in the fleet, the A319 will end up figuring somewhat prominently at ORD because, as others have already suggested, it seems a perfect fit for some of the thinner but still premium-heavy routes AA operates between ORD and, for example, some northeastern U.S. cities.

As Parker and Kirby have repeatedly remarked, the A319s economics - in all but some very unique, specialized circumstances - are certainly inferior to larger, higher-density aircraft. However, the A319s economics are, in many cases, still probably superior to RJs. So I think the A319 is likely to be part of the overall reshuffle of AA's domestic fleet as more and more larger, 2-class RJs replace less-economic 50-seat RJs, A319s replace less-economic 2-class RJs, and A320, A321s and 738s displace smaller mainline aircraft.

In general, AA now finally has the flexibility that it has not had in over a decade to truly optimize aircraft capacity with demand on a route-by-route and even flight-by-flight basis, but with the extra added benefit that this highly-customizable domestic mainline fleet will still ultimately only be comprised of two aircraft families. I continue to believe that ORD is one of the hubs, if not the single hub, that will benefit most from this fleet/capacity flexibility.

As for the A321s, one more of them enter the fleet, I'm sure they'll ultimately show up at ORD on higher-density routes where the larger, 757-like capacity is warranted (at least seasonally) like MIA, LAX, etc.

Quoting 777stl (Reply 9):
there is most likely going to be three different flavors of A321s at the new AA. The 321T, which is the three class bird that's dedicated solely to LAX/SFO-JFK, the 32B, which is just a garden variety two class A321, and the PMUS A321s which in some respects, will not be brought up to the same standards as the new build 32Bs(IFE).

  

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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:33 pm

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 8):
Not quite. The 3-class 321T is identified by the code... 321T. The two-class A321 is 32B. DFW-LAX/SFO/MIA will be servied by the two-class 32B, not 321T. Not sure about MIA-LAX - wouldn't be shocked if the 3-class bird makes it on to one or two frequencies.
Quoting 777stl (Reply 9):

That's incorrect.

Throughout AA.com it's explicitedly mentioned that the 321T are identified by the 32B designation; among the pages:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/newplanes.jsp?anchorLocation=DirectURL&title=newplanes

Further, the DFW-LAX-DFW segments I'm booked on in August very clearly displayed a seatmap for the three-cabin aircraft.

The seat maps have since changed, presumably to those of the two-cabin configuration. However, AA's website does not make any mention of the two-cabin version, and explicitly states that the 32B configuration applies to the 321T.

Thus, my assertions are correct. Yes, as I implied in my original posting, we can reasonably assume these flights will be operated with the two cabin version, but as of now AA has not updated their website to reflect that.
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:54 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 1):

I don't think you're going to see the 319 on business routes such as IAH/ATL/LGA/DCA... with only 8 first class seats to offer, its not an attractive product.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:33 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 10):
I personally expect that once AA gets more in the fleet, the A319 will end up figuring somewhat prominently at ORD because, as others have already suggested, it seems a perfect fit for some of the thinner but still premium-heavy routes AA operates between ORD and, for example, some northeastern U.S. cities.

However, the AA a319 is not that premium-heavy.
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:33 pm

I think that once fleet intergration is complete, we will see ORD-PHL all A320 variants, we will see ORD-LGA be a combo of 737-8 and A321's. ORD-BOS may see some A320's on it and maybe ORD-SFO.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:37 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 13):
However, the AA a319 is not that premium-heavy.

Agree. If a route is premium heavy, the A319 is NOT the aircraft for the mission. No aircraft in AA's fleet is more loathed by elites. The economics of the plane might be good, but the limited F and MCE cabins (even the CR7 has a larger F cabin) sure aren't. If there's healthy premium demand, the route will get a 738.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:38 pm

Quoting 175erj (Reply 12):
I don't think you're going to see the 319 on business routes such as IAH/ATL/LGA/DCA... with only 8 first class seats to offer, its not an attractive product.

AA's flown single-cabin ERJ's on ORD-IAH/ATL, and markets such as DFW-ATL have seen M80s & 738s changed to 319, so I don't think it'll be a problem.

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Long term, I expect 319/320/321 to flood ORD -- but most likely former US equipment.
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:50 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 11):
Throughout AA.com it's explicitedly mentioned that the 321T are identified by the 32B designation; among the pages:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/newplanes.jsp?anchorLocation=DirectURL&title=newplanes

Further, the DFW-LAX-DFW segments I'm booked on in August very clearly displayed a seatmap for the three-cabin aircraft.

The seat maps have since changed, presumably to those of the two-cabin configuration. However, AA's website does not make any mention of the two-cabin version, and explicitly states that the 32B configuration applies to the 321T.

Thus, my assertions are correct. Yes, as I implied in my original posting, we can reasonably assume these flights will be operated with the two cabin version, but as of now AA has not updated their website to reflect that.

You originally said this:

Quoting compensateme (Reply 3):
The 321T, identified by the "32B" code, is scheduled onto DFW/LAX, DFW/SFO, DFW/MIA and MIA/LAX beginning this August.

Which is incorrect. The 32B code is on the flight, but the aircraft will not be an A321T because this is an error on AA's website, which happens. The seat map bears this out as the flights I could find in that timeframe, for that route, on the "32B" all show a two class A321. They simply have the wrong internal code attached to the flight, that doesn't mean the 321T was ever assigned to this flight nor will it be.
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:09 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 13):
However, the AA a319 is not that premium-heavy.

"Not that premium heavy" ... but compared to what. Compared to CR7s now operating on ORD routes, the differences is one F seat (although the A319 F seats are far nicer than the CR7 F seats).

I agree we're not likely going to see an A319 on highly-premium BOS, LGA, PHL, DCA, etc., but in some smaller markets today seeing CR7s that may be able to support more capacity, the A319 may be a better fit economically, if not just on an individual segment/market basis, but also as a result of the opportunity cost given where that CR7 could be flying, and more particularly which even-less-econmic 50-seat flight that CR7 could be displacing.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:09 pm

Quoting 777stl (Reply 17):
You originally said this:

LOL, you truncated the rest of my quote; in its entirety:

Quoting compensateme (Reply 3):
The 321T, identified by the "32B" code, is scheduled onto DFW/LAX, DFW/SFO, DFW/MIA and MIA/LAX beginning this August. Earlier the seat maps confirmed the 32B designation, but now appear to be for AA's high-density, two-cabin version of the 321. However, the "32B" code is still being used on these flights.
Quoting 777stl (Reply 17):
Which is incorrect. The 32B code is on the flight, but the aircraft will not be an A321T because this is an error on AA's website, which happens. The seat map bears this out as the flights I could find in that timeframe, for that route, on the "32B" all show a two class A321. They simply have the wrong internal code attached to the flight, that doesn't mean the 321T was ever assigned to this flight nor will it be.

777stl, AA identifies the 321T as the 32B. The flights I mentioned are loaded as 32B. I'm ticketed on 32B segments DFW-LAX-DFW and the seat maps most definitely originally indicated the flights would be three-cabin aircraft. The seat maps now display what's presumably the two-cabin version, but AA's website makes no mention of such configuration.

As my original quote implies (I bolded it for your convenience), these flights will probably change - at some point - to the two cabin version. But as of now, they're designated as the three-cabin version. That's fact. Again, as I originally implied, I agree with your assumption, but unfortunately it isn't factual at this point.

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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:34 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 2):
I wouldn't be surprised to see them added to LAX-MIA on maybe one flight per day down the road
Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 8):
Not sure about MIA-LAX - wouldn't be shocked if the 3-class bird makes it on to one or two frequencies.

They've tried using the JFK-LAX/SFO fleet on one of the MIA-LAX rotations from time to time (when it was 762) and it never lasted more than a few weeks or so. So... I would be surprised to see one of the 3 class A321s get (somewhat) permanently assigned to MIA-LAX.

I have noticed that the 2 class A321 (with a few rows of coach spilling into the cabin between doors 1 and 2) will start being used on the route in a few weeks from now. I hope this doesn't spell the end of the 772 on MIA-LAX.

Back to ORD and the A319. I would think we would see "some" on MIA-ORD, but unless they up the frequency, it would probably be a good candidate route for the A321.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:01 pm

When do the two-class A321s start coming in?

Quoting compensateme (Reply 19):
The flights I mentioned are loaded as 32B. I'm ticketed on 32B segments DFW-LAX-DFW and the seat maps most definitely originally indicated the flights would be three-cabin aircraft. The seat maps now display what's presumably the two-cabin version, but AA's website makes no mention of such configuration.

Quite confusing. Why can't AA just load the two-class config already?

Also, how long are the A321s doing DFW-LAX? Because looking at the schedules for December, it seems to be all 737-800 work.
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:58 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 1):
the hourly ORD-DFW will see A319s and/or A321s, though I would think mostly A319s.


The A319 is a great plane for such a route IMHO.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:33 pm

319 have less F seats than the E-175's .....I could see the 319's going up to 12 F seats
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:44 pm

Quoting bchandl (Reply 22):


The A319 is a great plane for such a route IMHO.

No it's not - not one bit.

On domestic flights, AA's current version of the A319 is a great plane for routes like, ORD-IAH, ORD-ATL, MIA-MKE, MIA-IND, MKE-PIT etc. It's not a great plane for hub to hub routes.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:00 pm

I remember the early-to-mid 2000s when people yawned at the A321 when it flew all over the place with USAirways. Now people are hyperventilating over it with AA. And UA practically launches a marching band every time it takes a delivery of a new 737.

Our domestic airline situation is pretty sad by comparison to those days.

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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:05 pm

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 24):
On domestic flights, AA's current version of the A319 is a great plane for routes like, ORD-IAH, ORD-ATL, MIA-MKE, MIA-IND, MKE-PIT etc. It's not a great plane for hub to hub routes.


In the combined AA/US network, there's going to be less reliance on ORD/DFW; other alternatives for employee (which comprise a huge chunk of hub/hub routes) and passenger travel (AA loyalists now have other ways to get to SE destinations) will exist, thus if frequency is kept at 19x daily, then the 319 would be a "great" airplane.

That said, by the time the M80s are retired, the AA-US fleet will be unified and former US (and US Express) aircraft will be commonplace at ORD.

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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:12 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 26):
Employee movements comprise a large chunk of hub-to-hub routes.

I doubt hub-hub routes carrying dramatically more employees than any other routes, and in any event most of those employees would be NRSA, anyway. ORD-DFW carries tons of paying customers in its own right, regardless of any local company traffic.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 26):
In the combined AA-US network, there's going to be less reliance on DFW/ORD, so if AA intends on keeping the route at 19x daily, then the 319 would be a perfect aircraft.

No way - not with only 8 F seats. ORD-DFW is an enormous local market with tons of premium demand, and AA handily dominates it. 8 F seats will not cut it.
 
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Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:21 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
I doubt hub-hub routes carrying dramatically more employees than any other routes, and in any event most of those employees would be NRSA, anyway. ORD-DFW carries tons of paying customers in its own right, regardless of any local company traffic.
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No way - not with only 8 F seats. ORD-DFW is an enormous local market with tons of premium demand, and AA handily dominates it. 8 F seats will not cut it.

I edited my posting (while you were responding) to de-emphasize that point, but it still stands. Hub/Hub routes are riddled with employee travel, often positive space - not NRSA. Check out the standby lists on hub/hub flights -- it's not uncommon to reach 100+ names some days.

Local demand represents less than one-third of the seats AA offers between ORD/DFW. Of course, NRSA travel isn't included. ORD/DFW is definitely a market that could use a haircut.

I forecast that by the time the M80s are retired, HPdbaAA will have increase the number of F seats on its 319 anyway, which will likely be standardized with US's (seating only - not the interior).

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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:25 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 26):
In the combined AA/US network, there's going to be less reliance on ORD/DFW; other alternatives for employee (which comprise a huge chunk of hub/hub routes) and passenger travel (AA loyalists now have other ways to get to SE destinations) will exist, thus if frequency is kept at 19x daily, then the 319 would be a "great" airplane.

That's what I was trying to say.... Guess I should have expanded further....

Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
No way - not with only 8 F seats. ORD-DFW is an enormous local market with tons of premium demand, and AA handily dominates it. 8 F seats will not cut it.

Today there are 37 flights on ORD-DFW.

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=KORD&destination=KDFW

There are 3 cargo planes, so that is 34.

Of those 34 flights....

* 2 are Spirit

* 11 are United

That leaves 20 AA flights.

That's pretty dominant.

Sure there is WN on MDW-DAL but if your main complaint is the 8f seats, WN shouldn't be in this conversation since they offer exactly 0F seats.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:30 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 28):
Hub/Hub routes are riddled with employee travel, often positive space - not NRSA. As a veteran airline employee, it isn't uncommon to see standby lists reach 100+ names on hub/hub routes.

Again - 100+ names on a standby list. The standby lists at the gate include not just employees but also revenue standbys who may have misconnected, overslept, whatever. But even putting that aside, but employee standby means NRSA - i.e., only gets on if there's a seat not already occupied by a paying customer. Perhaps the fact that you have repeatedly seen standby lists 100+ names long (and I don't doubt it, as I, too, have seen them on this route) should be an indication that lots of standbys - not just employees, but revenue, too - are having to be rolled from flight to flight precisely because the planes are so packed with revenue passengers. In addition, at least at AA, even when employees are traveling on company business, they are often NRSA (very high priority, but still space available).

Quoting compensateme (Reply 28):
Local demand represents less than one-third of the seats AA offers between ORD/DFW.

One third of the seats AA offers between ORD and DFW is a huge market. In addition, tons of people connect on one or both ends because, of course, both are huge hubs.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 28):
ORD/DFW is definitely a market that could use a haircut.

I simply do not agree and have yet to see anything that convinces me.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 28):
I forecast that by the time the M80s are retired, HPdbaAA will have increase the number of F seats on its 319 anyway, which will likely be standardized with US's (sans the interior).

That I agree with.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:32 pm

Quoting kann123air (Reply 21):
Quite confusing. Why can't AA just load the two-class config already?

I think Parker and team are taking a hard look at the originally planned lay-out, similar to the 777-200 reconfiguration, which would explain the delay. The first frame must already be in the pipeline at Hamburg. Any XFW pics?   
My guess is ORD will not see a lot of LAA A319, and no scheduled A321T movements. The E175 seems plenty of plane for most of the small and mid size communities American flies to with multiple dailies.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:39 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 30):
Again - 100+ names on a standby list. The standby lists at the gate include not just employees but also revenue standbys who may have misconnected, overslept, whatever. But even putting that aside, but employee standby means NRSA - i.e., only gets on if there's a seat not already occupied by a paying customer. Perhaps the fact that you have repeatedly seen standby lists 100+ names long (and I don't doubt it, as I, too, have seen them on this route) should be an indication that lots of standbys - not just employees, but revenue, too - are having to be rolled from flight to flight precisely because the planes are so packed with revenue passengers. In addition, at least at AA, even when employees are traveling on company business, they are often NRSA (very high priority, but still space available).

I've spent my entire adult working career within the airline industry with two different legacies; major hub-hub routes carry immense amount of employee traffic. That's a fact. Because most hub-hub space goes to high seniority employees, many choose to fly DFW-XXX-ORD (for example, OKC). That's also a fact. And employees traveling on company business are positive space, which (in theory, at least) guarantees them a seat on the aircraft. Still non revenue, just positive space.

Quoting commavia (Reply 30):
One third of the seats AA offers between ORD and DFW is a huge market. In addition, tons of people connect on one or both ends because, of course, both are huge hubs.

It's still a low number, and many of those people who connected on both ends will now have alternate choices.

Why do you think DTW/MSP has lost nearly 2/3 of its seats since DL-NW merged? The number won't be as dramatic on ORD/DFW but I doubt HPd baAA will be offering 19-20 daily 140-seat flights in the future. Especially as both hubs returned to banked structures.

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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:45 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 32):
I've spent my entire adult working career within the airline industry with two different legacies; major hub-hub routes carry immense amount of employee traffic. That's a fact. Because most hub-hub space goes to high seniority employees, many savvy ones will choose to fly DFW-OKC-ORD. That's also a fact.

I'm not debating your working career, nor the fact that lots of employees fly between hubs. That's obvious, for the same reason that tons of revenue passengers fly between hubs - that's how you connect to and/or from where you're going. My point is that I doubt hub-hub routes are dramatically more NRSA-heavy than other routes - in particular from hubs to outstations in large cities. In fact, precisely because of the phenomenon you mention - savvy employees connecting through smaller cities to get where they're going - I wouldn't be surprised if hub-hub routes actually carry relative less employees, as a percentage, than some hub-spoke routes.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 32):
And employees traveling on company business receive what's called positive space, which (in theory, at least) guarantees them a seat on the aircraft.

Not all employees traveling on company business fly positive space at AA. Perhaps it always happens at whatever airlines you work/worked for, but it doesn't always work that way at AA. Many employees traveling on company business at AA are still NRSA - they are at a higher priority ahead of commuters and "leisure" nonrevs but they still only get on if there is a seat not occupied by a revenue passenger.
 
Tan Flyr
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:43 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 32):
It's still a low number, and many of those people who connected on both ends will now have alternate choices. Why do you think DTW/MSP has lost nearly 2/3 of its seats since DL-NW merged? The number won't be as dramatic on ORD/DFW but I doubt HPd baAA will be offering 19-20 daily 140-seat flights in the future. Especially as both hubs returned to banked structures.

I'm not quite sure you are comparing apples to apples..MSP and DTW are both "Great Lakes" hubs..or "Mid& Upper Midwest" hubs.
Comparing those to ORD & DFW is not the case.. Looking at the structures..I'd bet a Ruth's Chris Steak that much more connection traffic flows in either ort both directions thru either or both ORD & DFW, just due to the amount of smaller and mid- sized cities served from both those hubs. Say Joe Smith from PIT selects a routing to ABL that happens to take him PIT-ORD-DFW-ABI.due to the fare, timing or just plain availability.

There have to be hundreds of such examples, every day, over AA's DFW/ ORD network that will fill plenty of seats from ORD-DFW...so, I agree, once the MD 80's are gone..and that may be one of the last MD80 routes, it should be a solid 738 route.

ON another subject, but related to the 321T discussion...the business I am in we utilize that 777 cargo space from LAX to MIA...we actually need more 777/767 availability from LAX to MIA..and a return of at least 767 MIA /SJU turn a day would be extremely helpful..Maybe someday the cargo guys might have a bit of say in scheduling.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:49 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 32):
Especially as both hubs returned to banked structures

ORD will be banked in the spring of 2015. The effect of 'banking' on hub to hub movements usually is a decrease in frequency, but larger equipment. An up-gauging to 738 is more likely than any down-gauging once the S80 is gone.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 34):
that may be one of the last MD80 routes

  
 
meechy36
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:55 pm

Boston is getting the 321S in November for one flight to LAX, they are training all the BOS flight attendants by then. They sent 50 of us down this month and 30 next month and so on. The 321S is the 16F/165Y configuration.

mikeBOS
 
uberflieger
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:18 am

Quoting meechy36 (Reply 36):
The 321S is the 16F/165Y configuration

Do you have any idea of how many MCE seats?
Great news for BOS    Is this an indication of the A321S replacing 738s on American's Transcontinental flights?
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:19 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 29):
* 11 are United

I think UA having 11 dailies shows how large the ORD-DFW market is. Granted most are large RJs, but that's a lot when going up against the a hub-to-hub behemoth like AA.

Quoting commavia (Reply 30):

I simply do not agree and have yet to see anything that convinces me.

I don't think ORD-DFW so much needs a haircut as much as it's the common direction airlines go after they merge. ORD-DFW simply won't be as important in the wider AA/US network, and other hub-to-hub routes will be the opposite. Everything gets spread out more evenly. That's why I would be surprised if ORD-DFW doesn't see a trimming of at least 25%.
 
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:24 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 25):

I remember the early-to-mid 2000s when people yawned at the A321 when it flew all over the place with USAirways. Now people are hyperventilating over it with AA. And UA practically launches a marching band every time it takes a delivery of a new 737.

I remember it well and loved it. The US 321s ran with 26F!
 
bchandl
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RE: ORD And The AA A319/A321T

Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:45 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 38):
I think UA having 11 dailies shows how large the ORD-DFW market is. Granted most are large RJs, but that's a lot when going up against the a hub-to-hub behemoth like AA.

Actually, they were all 738/9s......

Check out that link to FA i provided. Yes, that level of service was unexpected to me.

EDIT: not all, but about half.

[Edited 2014-06-29 17:46:14]

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