Page 1 of 1

Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:05 am
by ariis
Hi there,

Just as the topic states - is there such airport that sees scheduled A380 service from all 11 operators?

LHR or LAX come to mind, but honestly I am not sure about them either. HKK maybe?

Thanks in advance for satisfying my curiosity!

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:10 am
by aviatorcraig
Not LHR, we don't get LH, AF, TG, CZ, OZ or KE

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:11 am
by MAH4546
LAX has/will have 10 of 12 - all but Malaysia and Thai.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:37 am
by jeppelainen
Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 2):

Include at least LH to that

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:40 am
by gkirk
How many does HKG have?

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:45 am
by aviationaware
LAX is the only airport that could realistically get all of them, simply because the A380 is a long haul aircraft and there is no operator of it based close by.

LHR has two of the operators, AF and LH, too close by to get service from them; JFK on the other hand is too far away from certain operators to see service.

Another semi-realistic option would be NRT, that would also be in range for all the operators; more so even than LAX. But there is the problem with the European operators just having switched from NRT to HND, which doesn't even allow the A380 in during the day. So, even if that changed, we would have to count NRT and HND as one for that matter.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:52 pm
by ariis
Thanks guys for the comments! That sorts it out.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:30 pm
by travelin man
Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 2):

LAX has/will have 10 of 12 - all but Malaysia and Thai.

No QR either, since QR doesn't even serve LAX.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:52 pm
by slinky09
Although LAX no doubt beats LHR in terms of operators, over time LHR has been served by EK, SQ, BA, AF (on trial flights), MH, didn't Korean fly a few times (?), QF, and then Etihad plans two daily A380 flights later this year and Qatar will also in clude Heathrow. LHR is the most popular destination for A380 flights in terms of number of flights (EK have 5 daily for example) not at their home base. It's great to see them coming in so often!

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:55 pm
by DarkSnowyNight
Quoting travelin man (Reply 7):
No QR either, since QR doesn't even serve LAX.

They will. Not sure about 388s though.

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 5):

Another semi-realistic option would be NRT, that would also be in range for all the operators; more so even than LAX.

Right. But being too far doesn't have to mean it's out of the question. We do get SQ as a one-stopper after all.

In anycase, I think here at LAX we get AF, BA, CZ, EK, KE, QF & SQ at the moment. I'm pretty sure OZ will go that way soon, I wouldn't think it unreasonable to see EY & QR eventually bring theirs as well. We certainly could always use a little more variety where 380s are concerned, but even now it is possible to see up to five at a time on the new TBIT (may favorite lineup being a QF744 between two company 380s; "oh look, they brought their baby", lol) . Quite a sight that is.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:56 pm
by 727LOVER
How many does JFK have?

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:07 pm
by B-HOP
HKG has AF,BA, QF (till Sep), OZ, SQ (double daily), EK, up till Feb this year, we also had KE, MH, TG and we lost CZ (which runs co-currently with TG on its last week but not with BA, MH, OZ) two years ago, so apart ET, QR and LH we have all current A380 operators at one point or the other.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:22 pm
by Miami
LAX has: Air France, Qantas, China Southern, Emirates, British Airways, Korean Air, Singapore. Asiana will send it's A380 to LAX on July 11.

7 (soon to be 8) out of 11 current operators serve LAX

Air Austral (No service, not delivered yet, 2014)
Air France   
Asiana Airlines    (Starts July 11)
British Airways   
China Southern Airlines   
Emirates   
Etihad Airways (Not delivered yet, 2014)
Korean Air   
Lufthansa (Doesn't send A380 to LAX)
Malaysia Airlines (No service)
Qantas   
Qatar Airways (No service, not delivered yet, 2014)
Singapore Airlines   
Skymark Airlines (No service, not delivered yet, 2014)
Thai Airways International (Doesn't send A380 to LAX)
Transaero Airlines (Not delivered yet, 2015)
Virgin Atlantic (Not delivered yet, 2018)

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:50 pm
by G500
Quoting AviationAware (Reply 5):
LAX is the only airport that could realistically get all of them, simply because the A380 is a long haul aircraft and there is no operator of it based close by.

agree.

LAX will NOT have them all, but it will have the most... Asiana will be landing there soon with the A380, and I think LH will eventually send it there

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:07 pm
by max999
Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 2):
LAX has/will have 10 of 12 - all but Malaysia and Thai.
Quoting Miami (Reply 12):
LAX has: Air France, Qantas, China Southern, Emirates, British Airways, Korean Air, Singapore. Asiana will send it's A380 to LAX on July 11.
Quoting AviationAware (Reply 5):

LAX is the only airport that could realistically get all of them, simply because the A380 is a long haul aircraft and there is no operator of it based close by.
LAX wins because there's only one airport with intercontinental flights in the LA area. Since the LA area has such a large population, but with only one such airport, airlines will send their biggest plane there.

Contrast that with London and New York areas; these cities both split their intercontinental flights between 2 airports - LGW & LHR and JFK & EWR. London and New York fliers pick different airports for international flights and airlines send the right-sized aircraft according to each airport's demand.

[Edited 2014-07-03 11:49:34]

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:38 pm
by RedChili
Quoting ariis (Thread starter):
HKK maybe?

I really doubt that Hokitika in New Zealand will see many A380s.   

Quoting max999 (Reply 14):
Contrast that with London and New York areas; these cities both split their intercontinental flights between 2 airports - LGW & LHR and JFK & EWR. Londoners and New Yorkers fliers can pick different airports for international flights and airlines send the right-sized aircraft according to each airport's demand.

While this is true, this is not the reason that LHR will never see all A380 operators.

The A380 is a long-haul airplane, while LH and AF are way too close to LHR to send a long-haul airplane there. It's just too expensive.

Concerning the Asian A380 operators that don't send their A380s to LHR (TG, OZ, KE and CZ), they don't serve LGW at all, so LGW cannot be the reason for not sending the A380 to London.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:42 pm
by JFKL1011
JFK has AF, EK, KE, and LH.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 10):

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:23 am
by ElpinDAB
Quoting JFKL1011 (Reply 16):

Add SQ to that list, A380 replaced the 744 flight to FRA.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:07 am
by ek241yyz
Quoting Miami (Reply 12):
Air Austral (No service, not delivered yet, 2014)

Didn't Austral cancel their orders?

Quoting Miami (Reply 12):
Transaero Airlines (Not delivered yet, 2015)

TSO's A380s wont be long haul.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:17 am
by astuteman
Quoting slinky09 (Reply 8):
It's great to see them coming in so often!

It doesn't seem long ago that LHR management said they were planning on up to 60 A380 movements per day, and that was heartily laughed at on here.

Rgds

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:40 am
by N14AZ
Quoting astuteman (Reply 19):
It doesn't seem long ago that LHR management said they were planning on up to 60 A380 movements per day, and that was heartily laughed at on here.

I remember this discussion. So how many A 380-movements do we have today at LHR?

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:03 am
by slinky09
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 20):
I remember this discussion. So how many A 380-movements do we have today at LHR?

It varies depending on the time of year, for example SQ sends 777s in quiter periods and 380s at other times for their flights, but a quick think suggests:

QF x 2
EK x 5
MH x 1
BA x 6 (will be 7 with IAD added in September)
SQ upto x 4 (it's two currently)

EY and QR have, I believe, stated that they will add the A380 to their Heathrow routes in 2014, so that will add four.

So from 16 daily flights up to 23 at busy times by the end of the year. I may have missed one though!

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:22 am
by psimpson
MH operate x2 A380s a day to LHR, SQ varies but when I was at LHR on Sunday they had X3 A380s and X1 B77W.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:45 am
by ariis
Quoting RedChili (Reply 15):
I really doubt that Hokitika in New Zealand will see many A380s.

It's all a matter of proper marketing.       

 

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:50 am
by tommy1808
Quoting ariis (Reply 23):
It's all a matter of proper marketing.

..and a little bit of a runway extension....

best regards
Thomas

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:25 pm
by RedChili
Quoting slinky09 (Reply 21):
So from 16 daily flights up to 23 at busy times by the end of the year. I may have missed one though!

Which means 32 to 46 movements.

[Edited 2014-07-04 05:26:45]

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:35 pm
by Gemuser
Quoting RedChili (Reply 25):
Quoting slinky09 (Reply 21):
So from 16 daily flights up to 23 at busy times by the end of the year. I may have missed one though!

Which means 32 to 36 movements.

Errr? 32 to 46 movements a day, well over half way to the predicted 60 a day!

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 24):
Quoting ariis (Reply 23):
It's all a matter of proper marketing.
..and a little bit of a runway extension....

With all the 1000s of times that that or very similar comments have been made in 100s of A380 threads, tommy1808 is the first person to actually get it right!!! HKK really would require a runway lengthening and probably strengthening as well for A380 operations!!!

Gemuser

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:35 pm
by N14AZ
Quoting gemuser (Reply 26):
32 to 46 movements a day, well over half way to the predicted 60 a day!

And BA has just received 6 (correct?) out of their order for 12 A 380's (not counting the seven options).

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:38 pm
by Viscount724
Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 18):
Quoting Miami (Reply 12):
Air Austral (No service, not delivered yet, 2014)


Didn't Austral cancel their orders?

No, but it's highly unlikely they'll ever be delivered, like the 6 A380 orders for VS which are also still shown as active by Airbus but many observers believe are very doubtful.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:15 am
by Speedbird2155
Quoting slinky09 (Reply 21):
BA x 6 (will be 7 with IAD added in September)

BA currently only has up to 4 A380 flights a day 2 LAX, 1 HKG and 1 JNB (6x weekly) IIRC. IAD comes online later this year and SIN after that.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:39 pm
by romeobravo
I can't imagine any airport will ever achieve that. LAX, JFK, NRT, HKK, SIN, PEK probably have the best chance though.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:36 pm
by andz
Our little backwater JNB has 3 (BA, AF, LH) and missed 4 by a couple of weeks, EK stopped just before BA started.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:12 pm
by 747400sp
Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 18):
TSO's A380s wont be long haul.

Why, I thought they was going to expand their long haul with it?

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:13 am
by 747srule
I saw 2 QF,1 each of BA, Emirates, SQ, AF ,and KE today all at the same time at the gates. Quite an impressive display!

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:28 am
by ek241yyz
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 32):
Why, I thought they was going to expand their long haul with it?

652 seats in total, 616 seats are Y class.

My guess is that they wouldn't be used for their international long hauls to North America.

However I do remember reading TSO would use them for leisure routes that they have to Spain, Austria, Thailand etc..

Cheers

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:04 pm
by RedChili
Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 34):
652 seats in total, 616 seats are Y class.

The really amazing thing is that they can achieve this with 2-4-2 on the upper deck and 3-4-3 on the lower deck, and with 31-32 inches of pitch.

http://transaero.ru/en/company/press.../news?year=2014&id=170414-press-en

Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 34):
However I do remember reading TSO would use them for leisure routes that they have to Spain, Austria, Thailand etc..

They have mentioned routes such as BKK, HKT, Dominican Republic, DXB, BCN, KHV and VVO. I wouldn't be too surprised to see it on flights to AYT, which is also immensely popular with Russians.

RE: Airports Served With A380s From All 11 Operators?

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:06 pm
by UA735WL
TLS sees 380s from every operator.....