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OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:18 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

9K ACK-BOS AUG 16>17

No idea what/where this is!
9X OLV-PDK AUG 0>0.7

AA MIA-BDL SEP 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-SEA SEP 1.0>0.6
AA ORD-BWI SEP 5>4
AA ORD-LSE SEP 5>4
AA ORD-SYR SEP 5>4
AA ORD-YYZ SEP 7>6

AC LAS-YVR OCT 1.2>2

AM LAX-MEX AUG 6>5 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
AM MCO-MEX NOV 1.5>2 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.7>3 FEB 1.4>3 MAR 1.4>3
AM SMF-GDL DEC 1.1>1.0

AV DFW-SAL SEP 0.9>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.7 NOV 0.9>0.7 DEC 0.9>0.7 FEB 0.9>0.7 MAR 0.9>0.7

See US below...
B6 BOS-RIC NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>5

CM TPA-PTY NOV 0.6>0.9 DEC 0.6>1.0

*DL ATL-CCS AUG 1.0>0.2 SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0.1 NOV 1.0>0.2 DEC 1.0>0.1 JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.1 MAR 1.0>0.1
DL ATL-GSO DEC 7>8
DL ATL-IAH OCT 8>9
DL ATL-PDX MAR 3>4
DL DTW-ICN FEB 1.0>0.8
DL DTW-PEK FEB 1.0>0.8
DL DTW-PVG FEB 1.0>0.8
DL LGA-MHT JAN 3>1.8
DL MSP-SMF MAR 1.0>1.8
*DL PDX-SEA DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
DL SEA-HKG FEB 1.0>0.9
DL SEA-ICN FEB 1.0>0.9
DL SEA-PEK FEB 1.0>0.8
DL SEA-PVG FEB 1.0>0.8
DL SLC-BOI DEC 6>5
DL SLC-PIH OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3

K5 GST-HNH AUG 1.0>1.9 SEP 0>1.3
K5 GST-JNU AUG 4>7 SEP 0>4
K5 HNH-JNU AUG 5>7 SEP 0>4
K5 HNS-JNU AUG 4>7 SEP 0>4
K5 HNS-SGY AUG 0.5>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
K5 JNU-SGY AUG 4>7 SEP 0>4
K5 MCI-SLN AUG 1.7>3 SEP 1.7>3 OCT 1.7>3 NOV 1.7>3 DEC 1.7>3

LH JFK-FRA JAN 1.8>1.4 FEB 1.7>1.0 MAR 2>1.1

LX JFK-ZRH FEB 2>1.9

MW HNM-OGG AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3

**SN IAD-BRU OCT 0.7>0.5 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0.1

SU MIA-SVO JAN 0.5>0.6 FEB 0.4>0.6 MAR 0.4>0.5

*SY MSP-RIH JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
*SY MSP-ZLO JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1

TS MCO-YHZ MAR 0.4>0.3
TS MCO-YYZ DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.4

UA EWR-ALB JAN 5>4
UA EWR-ATL NOV 6>7
UA EWR-AUS NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
UA EWR-AVL JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6
UA EWR-BDL JAN 4>3
UA EWR-BTV NOV 3>4
UA EWR-BUF NOV 5>6
UA EWR-CHS JAN 5>3 FEB 5>4
UA EWR-DAY NOV 4>3 JAN 4>1.8 FEB 4>3
UA EWR-DFW NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
UA EWR-GSP NOV 1.8>3
UA EWR-MCI NOV 5>4
UA EWR-MHT NOV 4>3
UA EWR-OMA NOV 1.7>3
UA EWR-PIT DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8
UA EWR-POS OCT 0.6>0.4 NOV 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.3>0.5 MAR 0.1>0.5
UA EWR-SNA JAN 3>1.8
**UA EWR-STR SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 0.8>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.5>0 JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.5>0 MAR 0.5>0
UA EWR-YQB JAN 4>3
UA IAH-SJO JAN 4>5
UA ORD-BOS OCT 10>11
UA SFO-MMH JAN 0>1.1 FEB 0>1.4 MAR 0>1.6

UN JFK-VKO NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.5>0.4 JAN 0.5>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.5>0.4

UP MIA-FPO DEC 0.3>0
UP PBI-NAS SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3 NOV 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3

*US BOS-RIC NOV 3>0.4 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0
*US CLT-LHR SEP 1.0>1.6 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
Resumes after dropping it a few months earlier
*US DCA-DTW NOV 0>3 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4 MAR 0>4
US MCO-MIA OCT 1.0>0.0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:23 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US BOS-RIC NOV 3>0.4 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0

Guess it wasn't worth fighting with Delta and JetBlue for the market ...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Resumes after dropping it a few months earlier
*US DCA-DTW NOV 0>3 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4 MAR 0>4

Interesting. Did AA/USAirways win some corporate contract in DTW or WAS that necessitates the route?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:26 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
No idea what/where this is!
9X OLV-PDK AUG 0>0.7

Olive Branch, outside Memphis. But at 0.7 a week, is this some new scheduled service Memphis-Atlanta using alternate airports?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:47 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-ICN FEB 1.0>0.8
DL DTW-PEK FEB 1.0>0.8
DL DTW-PVG FEB 1.0>0.8
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SEA-HKG FEB 1.0>0.9
DL SEA-ICN FEB 1.0>0.9
DL SEA-PEK FEB 1.0>0.8
DL SEA-PVG FEB 1.0>0.8

Nothing like getting a head start on Chinese New Year 2015. I assume this is as of result of cutting flights during the Feb 19-25 period during the heart of the CNY holiday. I think we can expect Delta to also be up-gauging flights as much as possible during the 2 days leading up to CNY and during the 2 days at the end of CNY. SEA may see an influx of 744's at the beginning and ending of the CNY period.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:54 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
Interesting. Did AA/USAirways win some corporate contract in DTW or WAS that necessitates the route?

It was only out of the schedule for 4 months. I don't see how you have a hub in DCA and not fly it.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:17 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-OMA NOV 1.7>3

When UAX gets a little breathing room with the fleet, it'd be nice to see an OMA-IAD or an OMA-DSM-IAD flight to connect with the international bank without having to go through ORD or EWR which often have more issues than IAD.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:36 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):

Guess it wasn't worth fighting with Delta and JetBlue for the market ...[/quote]

People Express BOS-PHF may have hurt a little bit too. Is this a sign of things to come with AA/US at BOS?
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:47 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 6):
People Express BOS-PHF may have hurt a little bit too

I'm sure AA is determining which PEX markets where they need to run. LOL
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:57 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
I'm sure AA is determining which PEX markets where they need to run. LOL

PEX had 81 passengers on the inaugural last week. As horrible as that load factor was, Its still 81 people that that may have had the option to drive to RIC instead. Even at half that number that you get a 80% load on a Air Wisconsin lawn dart flight.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:02 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 8):
PEX had 81 passengers on the inaugural last week. As horrible as that load factor was, Its still 81 people that that may have had the option to drive to RIC instead. Even at half that number that you get a 80% load on a Air Wisconsin lawn dart flight.

Sure, but at PEX prices or AA / US prices. RJs have much higher CASM.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-AUS NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-DFW NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-PIT DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8

Are these only winter seasonal increases or will they actually stick year-round ? It's so rare to see UA increase the frequency on ANYTHING these days.

DFW is going 4x 73G this summer to 6x E70 over winter. It's a mixed blessing depending on who you ask.

At least 3 out of 5 to AUS is still mainline (rest E70). PIT is truly pitiful since it's 1x E145 and the rest all Q400 props

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-ATL NOV 6>7

On an unrelated note, I've noticed that EWR-ATL next year is going to 100% E70s (from mostly E145 today ... a MUCH needed improvement). Has this been mentioned before ?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-MMH JAN 0>1.1 FEB 0>1.4 MAR 0>1.6

So the previous note about SFO-MMH cancelled was a false alarm ?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LH JFK-FRA JAN 1.8>1.4 FEB 1.7>1.0 MAR 2>1.1

Wow, I don't think LH has ever been down to one daily JFK-FRA in a long time (if ever), even in the deep winter. Interesting that during this period, JFK-FRA will be down to just 1 LH A346, 1 DL 76W, and 1 SQ A388, with a fifth-freedom carrier offering the most seats in the market....
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:29 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 5):

When UAX gets a little breathing room with the fleet, it'd be nice to see an OMA-IAD or an OMA-DSM-IAD flight to connect with the international bank without having to go through ORD or EWR which often have more issues than IAD.

I've been waiting for the OMA-IAD link for 10 years to connect to the European bank! Flew to GVA...had to double connect in ORD and IAD to make the flight, the next time this fall I'm connecting ORD-FRA-GVA instead. I can't wait til they start this to connect to the European Bank!
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:47 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 10):
PIT is truly pitiful since it's 1x E145 and the rest all Q400 props

Pitiful compared to what? In January Delta is running 3 CRJ-900s to JFK and 7 CRJ-700s to LGA. UA/US is running 1 E-145 to JFK, and 5 CRJ-200s and 2 E-175s to LGA. Considering that the Q400 are now two-class birds, UA is right up there with the competitors on the route, both in product (the Q400s are a VERY nice ride) and in frequency.

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 10):
DFW is going 4x 73G this summer to 6x E70 over winter. It's a mixed blessing depending on who you ask.

I like the E-jets and Delta does well with theirs on LGA-DFW, so it's not a huge downgrade. I'm more interested in what they will do with the 737s.

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 10):
On an unrelated note, I've noticed that EWR-ATL next year is going to 100% E70s (from mostly E145 today ... a MUCH needed improvement). Has this been mentioned before ?

I don't remember seeing it, but it definitely is a good sign.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Olive Branch, outside Memphis. But at 0.7 a week, is this some new scheduled service Memphis-Atlanta using alternate airports?

I remember reading about this a few months ago. http://www.desototimes.com/articles/...news/doc53867ab1026e5154276749.txt
And just for reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Airways_Express

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 6):
Is this a sign of things to come with AA/US at BOS?

Frankly, I doubt it's that telling. Most likely just trimming the fat in a competitive market during a time where they need the extra planes to allow for repainting.  
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*DL ATL-CCS AUG 1.0>0.2 SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0.1 NOV 1.0>0.2 DEC 1.0>0.1 JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.1 MAR 1.0>0.1

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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:10 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 13):

Pitiful compared to what? In January Delta is running 3 CRJ-900s to JFK and 7 CRJ-700s to LGA. UA/US is running 1 E-145 to JFK, and 5 CRJ-200s and 2 E-175s to LGA. Considering that the Q400 are now two-class birds, UA is right up there with the competitors on the route, both in product (the Q400s are a VERY nice ride) and in frequency.

Rightfully or not, there's still "stigma" concerning props when competitors are offering jets, even though economically it might be the smartest solution.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:14 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CM TPA-PTY NOV 0.6>0.9 DEC 0.6>1.0

I guess this will quell all those "is it a success or not" questions in another thread
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:24 pm

9X is Southern Airways Express and the flight is Olive Branch outside of Memphis to PDK which is Peachtree DeKalb Airport Northeast of Atlanta.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:36 pm

Southern Airways Express - they try to operate in and out of airports where the passengers do not have to deal with the TSA. They have been flying out of KNEW (New Orleans Lakefront Airport) here, but I have noticed they dropped some flights. I have not seen much advertisement here, basically non existent. I was kind of hoping they would catch on, but I don't know how the rest of their flights are doing system wide, albeit a small system.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:00 pm

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 17):

Southern Airways Express - they try to operate in and out of airports where the passengers do not have to deal with the TSA

Is that even legal? Forgive my naiveté
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:05 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-BOI DEC 6>5

Wonder if the AS flight has had an effect. It sure has reduced the exhorbitant air fare the DL had in place.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:26 pm

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-BOI DEC 6>5

Wonder if the AS flight has had an effect. It sure has reduced the exhorbitant air fare the DL had in place.

This is the kind of situation where year-over-year changes tell more than changes vs. last schedule.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:31 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 20):
Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 19):Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-BOI DEC 6>5

Wonder if the AS flight has had an effect. It sure has reduced the exhorbitant air fare the DL had in place.
This is the kind of situation where year-over-year changes tell more than changes vs. last schedule.

or even plane types and number of seats...if they upgauage a flight or two it only makes sense to reduce frequency
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:32 pm

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 17):
Southern Airways Express - they try to operate in and out of airports where the passengers do not have to deal with the TSA. They have been flying out of KNEW (New Orleans Lakefront Airport) here, but I have noticed they dropped some flights. I have not seen much advertisement here, basically non existent. I was kind of hoping they would catch on, but I don't know how the rest of their flights are doing system wide, albeit a small system.

I flew on Southern Airways Express last summer...here's a link to a trip report...very nice little operation.

https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/240353

I think they are trying to find routes that will work year-round because Destin and Panama City are highly seasonal. This new route to PDK may be part of that.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:16 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
Is that even legal? Forgive my naiveté

Yep. Some airlines even do it at the GA area of major airports to avoid the TSA. We had one at PDX a while back, may have been SeaPort but not sure, who had billboards near the airport that stated right out "Avoid the TSA hassle" or something to that effect.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:51 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 8):
PEX had 81 passengers on the inaugural last week. As horrible as that load factor was, Its still 81 people that that may have had the option to drive to RIC instead.

The legacies claim ULCCs have no effect on their traffic. The answer is somewhere in between nothing and your assumptions...but closer to nothing.

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 10):
So the previous note about SFO-MMH cancelled was a false alarm ?

Don't know, but I think we have seen in markets like that, deleting from the schedule is often a negotiating ploy to extract some sort of incentives.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 23):
Yep. Some airlines even do it at the GA area of major airports to avoid the TSA.
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 23):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
Is that even legal? Forgive my naiveté

I believe the planes must have 9 or fewer seats.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:59 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 23):
Yep. Some airlines even do it at the GA area of major airports to avoid the TSA. We had one at PDX a while back, may have been SeaPort but not sure, who had billboards near the airport that stated right out "Avoid the TSA hassle" or something to that effect.

Yes this was SeaPort over by Flightcraft, before they started using the terminal.

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
I believe the planes must have 9 or fewer seats.

This is what I understand to be true, MW flights don't have TSA screening, they sure are a great way to get around Hawaii.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:12 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-CCS AUG 1.0>0.2 SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0.1 NOV 1.0>0.2 DEC 1.0>0.1 JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.1 MAR 1.0>0.1

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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:04 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):

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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:19 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 27):
"Who cares about the rest of the country when the ruling elites live like millionaires ?"

Pretty much true about every country.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:27 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 6):
Is this a sign of things to come with AA/US at BOS?

I bet it is.

Everyone is talking about what a large carrier AA/US will be in BOS.

In a few years, they will serve the hubs. Nothing more, nothing less. They'll still be large enough to be in the top 3. Not sure why US was still in the P2P game with these odd ball rj routes to begin with, but the new AA surely wont be imo
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:32 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 29):
Not sure why US was still in the P2P game with these odd ball rj routes to begin with, but the new AA surely wont be imo

They may make sense if there's little or no competition. They make a lot less sense with competition, particularly LFC competition. Though operated at-risk, PIT-STL/BDL/RDU are a similar story.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 29):
Everyone is talking about what a large carrier AA/US will be in BOS.

That's because AA/US is a "large carrier" in Boston, even without the relatively few daily point-to-point flights to a few northeast markets.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 29):
In a few years, they will serve the hubs. Nothing more, nothing less. They'll still be large enough to be in the top 3.

I wouldn't be surprised if several non-hub routes were operating out of BOS in a few years - including RDU, SFO, PIT and BUF. I agree that markets like MDT, SYR, etc. probably won't be around much longer. Although even without most if not all of this non-hub flying, I suspect AA would still be #2, and not merely "in the top 3," in BOS - not that the specific rankings matter, anyway.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:13 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 29):
In a few years, they will serve the hubs. Nothing more, nothing less

  
Although JetBlue's cost is on the rise, future US labor contracts will increase the disparity for the New American. P2P will almost completely disappear, not just in BOS.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:41 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 31):
I agree that markets like MDT, SYR, etc. probably won't be around much longer.

When you are the only one serving these markets - it may be worth it. Though i wonder if B6 would try BOS-SYR at some point.

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
The legacies claim ULCCs have no effect on their traffic. The answer is somewhere in between nothing and your assumptions...but closer to nothing.

If PEX was flying BOS-SFO or BOS-ORD I'd agree with this but a thinner route - any type of competition can make a difference. Its also additive - B6 then DL then PEX via alternate airport. If it was just PEX, I would state that AA/US stays on the route.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/11/2014: DL/UA/US

Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:37 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 33):
When you are the only one serving these markets - it may be worth it.

I've often wondered if BOS-MDT would be around if they didn't have a crew base in MDT (at least they did as of last year when I got a MDT-based crew on a PHL-ISP flight).
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