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Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:58 am

Hi A.netter's,

We finally hit a Century of Australian Aviation!
Time to kick off Part 101 as the previous discussion had 200+ response's & slow to load for users so please continue the conversation here...

Here's a short summary of what was discussed in Australian Aviation Part 100...

Australian Aviation Thread Part 100 (by allrite Jun 24 2014 in Civil Aviation)

* CZ looking at aquiring a stake in QF (again) being rehashed to make it look new, or is CZ still saying "yes, we are still interested in buying a stake"?
* CASA reviewing the use of electronics during takeoff & landing
* QF release revised Tasman schedule timetable, Melbourne – Auckland Service reduces from 21 to 14 weekly whilst Sydney – Auckland Service reduces from 35 to 27 weekly
* UA retime San Francisco – Sydney & Los Angeles – Sydney effective 26 of October 2014
* QF reschedule International & Domestic fleet which equates to better fleet utilisation & savings.
* TN486 is an AFL follower  
* Air Austral (UU) returns black. Is QF next?
* Stroll down nostalgia lane, 1st Australian Aviation Thread kicked in 2007 Australian Aviation Thread (by 777ER Feb 23 2007 in Civil Aviation)
* TG updates Bangkok – Sydney schedule for 2014/15, which sees 3 weekly TG471/472 service operated by Boeing 777-300 (2 Class aircraft), starting 26 October 2014, replacing Boeing 747-400 (3 Class aircraft).
* SYD T2 experiences power issues preventing JQ, VA and TT from checking in passengers causing delays throughout the network (Friday 27/06)
* Engine bolt problems on the E190 resulting in VA fleet groundings which go unnoticed.
* QLD-Bali rumours this week: OOL-DPS service to be announced & Jetstar BNE-DPS 787x4/week to soon revert to daily A320 via DRW?
* QF/CZ partnership strengthens
* QF vs VA media attention surrounding maintenance issues
* Perth Airport release it's "preliminary draft master plan 2014" for public comment
* QF12 28/06/14 diverts into HNL enroute to SYD
* First plane for three-year-old aircraft graveyard touches down in Alice Springs
* discussion continue surrounding QF & VA media attention
* QF traffic load statistics for May, Domestic down to 72.2% & Regional down to 61% & International up 75%
* JQ Domestic loads down to 77.7% International down to 68.8% & 3K down to 77.6%
* VA load factors improve due to capacity increase freeze whilst TT struggle to fill seats
* JQ International B787 configuration was it the wrong choice?
* Jetstar Japan launches critical Osaka Kansai base as Japan posts 8% domestic traffic growth
* QF0094 2/07/14 air-turn back to LAX due to burst pipe onboard flooding galley & cabin aisles
* Singapore Airlines Mr Goh joins fellow Air New Zealand chief executive Christopher Luxon and Etihad Airways boss James Hogan on the high-powered VA board.
* Philippine Airlines apply for daily direct slots from Manila - Perth effective 27 October 2014
* PR to lease Shanghai Airlines B757's & operate MNL-BNE route 4 times a week non stop.
* Jetstar Hong Kong shows signs of stalling as new aircraft selloff considered
* Qantas Group sign an order for 21 more Airbus A320neos to take its A320neo family backlog to 99, but defer other orders until after 2016 and to as late as 2022.
* Etihad Airways expected to announce it will commence nonstop 787-9 services to Brisbane from Abu Dhabi from June 2015, thus replacing the existing A330 services via Singapore.
* QR has applied for SYD slots for the NW14/15 period & gives a good indication that the Airline is now interested in Sydney after long making it clear that the curfew was stopping services from commencing DOH-SYD-DOH QR912/913 Daily 77W
* YBBN closed 8/7/14 due to a security breach.
* Rumour JQ to replace mainline QF BNE-SIN route utilising B787
* Another A332 to QF with VH-EBB in Singapore being painted in QF colours.
* 3 x JQ A332's "rumour" to be sold off and not see QF colours.
* 2 x VA A332's -XFA and -XFB due to leave the fleet by end of 2014
* Philippine Airlines expand its Australia network by expanding services to Sydney, Melbourne, Darwin and Brisbane effective from October 2014
* EY to introduce direct AUH-BNE service EY484 - AUH 2200 BNE 18:15(+1) EY485, BNE 2150 AUH 6:00 (+1) similar times to EK435.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:16 pm

Hi all,
I have just finished watching the Channel Seven show 'Jumbo Jet'. It was an outstanding documentary on the 747. Interesting and impressive.
The bit that surprised me was John Travolta talking about how Qantas wanted to 'give' him a 747, and that he said no because he wasn't 'a sheikh or something' ....
Anyone have any info on this? What model 747 was he talking about? The program showed lots of footage of John and his 707, even his house.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:31 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 1):
Hi all,I have just finished watching the Channel Seven show 'Jumbo Jet'. It was an outstanding documentary on the 747. Interesting and impressive.
The bit that surprised me was John Travolta talking about how Qantas wanted to 'give' him a 747, and that he said no because he wasn't 'a sheikh or something' ....
Anyone have any info on this? What model 747 was he talking about? The program showed lots of footage of John and his 707, even his house.
Cheers,
Bunumuring.

Very interesting documentary indeed. I'd say the B744 QF offered Travolta would've been one of many which have ended up in VCV   I would've loved to had seen a B744 in QF Retro color scheme! Yes, his a celebrity but I'd doubt he has enough funds to maintain a B744 unless the deal (prior to AVV closer) was for QF to maintain the aircraft.
Once again great documentary!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:37 pm

Quoting zkokq (Reply 208):
VH-VKE or VKF (I cant remember off the top of my head) onward do not have this issue. The engine has not been deratted.

Forgive my lack of engineering understanding, but how are engines deratted? It is possible to re-rate them?
 
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Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:41 pm

Imagine, just imagine, if the 747 was either Nalanji Dreaming or even better, Wunula Dreaming... Or that John offered to upkeep an ex QF 747 in either colourscheme if it was repainted as such. He has done such an amazing job with his 707 and he is a true enthusiast...
What a lost opportunity... But reality bites and I guess John made the right decision for him.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:26 pm

QF9 MEL-DXB-LHR VH-OQD has just diverted into PER a few minutes ago.

Apparently it's a passenger unconscious with clotting blood. Hope they end up ok.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:50 pm

Quote EK213.........we heard on here, the QF group was stupid and ordered the aircraft with derated engines (or something along these lines) and they can't do OOL-NRT direct, so look forward to some diversions

This is untrue. The registration details with CASA are very clear that none of the fleet are fitted with derated engines. I think the problems related more about operating out of OOL and its shortish runway and surrounding terrain .
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:13 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 6):
The registration details with CASA are very clear that none of the fleet are fitted with derated engines.

I don't fully trust CASA's website for registration details. For instance, for a while VH-VKB was on the publically available register as having Rolls Royce engines, which was incorrect (has been fixed since then).

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:14 pm

AUS BT has an article regarding NZ planning to order more 789s in the future to replace its 77Es but strangely states the following

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"Technically the 787-9 can do trans-Pacific" with a fully load of passengers, McDonald said, "but probably not on the way back."

This seems strange in that it implies that a 789 can't fly fully loaded on LAX-AKL. This will be a big surprise for UA who are planning for the same aircraft to do LAX-MEL!!!
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Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:15 pm

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 8):
This seems strange in that it implies that a 789 can't fly fully loaded on LAX-AKL. This will be a big surprise for UA who are planning for the same aircraft to do LAX-MEL!!!

and taking 3 hrs. longer in the air to do it. I have to think that there is a problem in the reporting of the conversation. If the report is taken literally it means for some reason NZ has operational restraints/ weights not used by other carriers or they have a minimum payload that they expect to be able to carry on the type and they can't do it on base line day on the LAX-AKL sector. Based on reasonable assumptions back checked against the reported 8300nm range with 280 seats in a 3-class configuration NZ should be able to haul close to max volume limited payload of 42.5t on the sector.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:25 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 6):
This is untrue. The registration details with CASA are very clear that none of the fleet are fitted with derated engines. I think the problems related more about operating out of OOL and its shortish runway and surrounding terrain .

I was under the impression it was more to do with the icing issues the GEnx engines were experiencing, same as the JL service to SYD remaining on 777s?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:56 pm

I was up in CNS on the weekend and had to drop some family off at the international terminal. Have not used CNSi since the early 2000's when I was a kid flying PX up to POM (on the sexy little Fokker F28's)... Geez it's a ghost town now. I remember back in the days when CNSi was served by QF mainline, SQ, MH, JL and I think even KE... I wonder if we will see CZ or EK at CNS? #dreaming. Great to see a little JQ hub there, and that UA and CX is still flying in.... And Air Niugini too  

There is still heaps of domestic traffic though.  

On another note, I think the CNS approach and take off (sharp turn left after take off... from whatever that runway was) are the most exciting in the country. I'd love to see a fully loaded A380 take off from there. One day maybe. #dreamingagain
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:16 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 11):
Geez it's a ghost town now. I remember back in the days when CNSi was served by QF mainline, SQ, MH, JL and I think even KE... I wonder if we will see CZ or EK at CNS? #dreaming. Great to see a little JQ hub there, and that UA and CX is still flying in.... And Air Niugini too

I thought CZ flew seasonally to CNS.

I have a great fondness for Cairns' international terminal as well. But as I wrote there, it's an airport and city that doesn't live up to its potential.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:01 pm

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 11):
I thought CZ flew seasonally to CNS.

AFAIK CZ flies to CNS for a very short time around Chinese New Year. MU also tried CNS seasonally but that has since ended. My guess is that CX takes the higher yielding Chinese traffic.

Now that MI is receiving 738s I think they could be next to serve CNS. Their A320s do not have the range but 738s should be able to make SIN-CNS.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:53 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 12):

It certainly is a great part of the world, and a hub to so many amazing sights.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 13):

CX must be doing pretty well if they are leaving CNS on the map, I wonder what the future holds for CX and CNS.

Could JQ make ICN or PEK/PVG work from CNS?
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:01 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 14):
Could JQ make ICN or PEK/PVG work from CNS?

JQ struggles to make any of it's long haul flying profitable, but if the relationship between QF & MU deepens I could see JQ try CNS/OOL-PVG.

I recently flew JQ after many years since last flying with them, and noticed something strange. I was on VH-VGO which was delivered in 2010, and the cabin itself looked relatively new. However the seats were quite old and in poor condition. On the return flight I was on VH-VWU which was delivered in 2009, and it had newer seats in much better condition.
So it got me thinking, when JQ churns leases do they remove seating from the plane coming off lease and install it in newly leased planes?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:20 am

According to an article from Australian Business Traveller QF is losing corporate traffic to VA...

Qantas continues to lose business travellers to Virgin Australia

Qantas is slowing losing its share of the corporate market to Virgin Australia, according to a new survey of the nation's largest companies.
The third annual Morgan Stanley AlphaWise survey polled some 214 corporate travel managers at companies with more than $1 billion of revenue or 1,000 employees

Read more: http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-conti...ess-travellers-to-virgin-australia

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:01 pm

Does anyone know when QF will have its unrefurbished "classic" fleet of 744s retired by? I was told the plan is now that VH-OJA/I which were heavy checked last year and will fly on until 2016, with the four class configuration gone by early 2015.

Am I right in thinking OJA/I still have the old 90s wavey blue economy colours and have not been given the "red" makeover?

[Edited 2014-07-12 08:03:23]

[Edited 2014-07-12 08:03:56]
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:45 pm

Pretty sure I've read QF will retire another 3 B744's by the end of 2014. I think it's -OEB, OJL and OJM which are slated to go. If you look at their current utlisation they aren't exactly stretched. That said the non refurbished B744's still make an appearance in the US from time to time, despite QF publically saying only A380's and refurbished B744's operate these flights.

As a side note their has been no real rhyme, logic or reason to which B744's have been withdrawn. They just seem to pick a frame. I know -OJR went early because of high leasing costs.

The QFi fleet just continues to deplete with apart from those deferred A380 HGW versions still on the order books their isn't any new metal entering the fleet. The demise of QFi is truly an ongoing shame.

I know this is a dream but it's a shame they haven't entering into a leasing arrangement with EK for some B77W's.

Yes you are correct a work colleague flew -OJA yesterday on QF5 and it sure does have the blue Y seats.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:26 pm

I know VH-OEB is the favourite for the captains choice tour. I wonder if OJA will be the last old dog standing having been the first and still going strong after 25 years.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:24 pm

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 18):
I know this is a dream but it's a shame they haven't entering into a leasing arrangement with EK for some B77W's.

Looking at EK's fleet age there are 10 leased 77W frames coming up 10-years in the next year or so. Rates should be good on these.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:37 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 1):
It was an outstanding documentary on the 747. Interesting and impressive.

I thought the historic stuff was interesting, but did think it was a bit drawn out and heavy in praise for Boeing. They used UA811 to heap praise on the design of the aircraft while conveniently ignoring that it was a design fault (albeit a minor one) that caused that particular incident.

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 1):
Anyone have any info on this? What model 747 was he talking about?

Probably one of the -300s that ended up in the desert ten years ago.

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 18):
As a side note their has been no real rhyme, logic or reason to which B744's have been withdrawn. They just seem to pick a frame. I know -OJR went early because of high leasing costs.

I daresay it's got a lot to do with the 787 delays screwing up QF's maintenance/retirement schedules.

Hypothetically, OJA was due to be retired in 2010 and was maintained in anticipation of that. When her retirement date was missed, QF was forced to pay for another D check which has now extended her life to 2016-17.

There's no point in now paying for younger aircraft to be maintained if OJA has a few more years left in her and isn't causing any problems.

Quoting BA174 (Reply 19):
I wonder if OJA will be the last old dog standing having been the first and still going strong after 25 years.

Hopefully QF can find a nice museum somewhere for her, rather than just letting her rot away in the desert.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:14 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 21):
Quoting BA174 (Reply 19):
I wonder if OJA will be the last old dog standing having been the first and still going strong after 25 years.

Hopefully QF can find a nice museum somewhere for her, rather than just letting her rot away in the desert.

... Maybe donate her to John Travolta. At least then she will be looked after with TLC by an enthusiast!
Or donate her to Qantas Founders Museum in Longreach. The first 'Longreach' retires to Longreach.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:18 am

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 18):
The QFi fleet just continues to deplete with apart from those deferred A380 HGW versions still on the order books their isn't any new metal entering the fleet. The demise of QFi is truly an ongoing shame.

I know this is a dream but it's a shame they haven't entering into a leasing arrangement with EK for some B77W's

QFi doesnt need any more aircraft.

Until QFi is able to adequately address its cost structures it will continue to shrink.

The Qantas business itself will continue on as QF domestic, QF Frequent Flyer and Jestar. Thats where the focus needs to be and thats where the capital needs to be invested. Its unclear what role QFi has to play in the future of Qantas - in the longer term the answer is probably none - harsh but unfortunately its the reality of the current situation.

QFi staff might not like this but thats what happens in an open economy when you dont have competitive cost structures.

[Edited 2014-07-12 23:21:46]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:31 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 15):
JQ struggles to make any of it's long haul flying profitable, but if the relationship between QF & MU deepens I could see JQ try CNS/OOL-PVG.

Yeah it will be great to see JQi grow into China. Does JQ really struggle to make money internationally?

Quoting TimTam (Reply 23):

No way! QFi will absolutely exist into the future. They are going through a painful restructuring process at the moment, but I am very confident that the flying kangaroo will continue to serve the world's main gateways well into the future.

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 18):
I think it's -OEB, OJL and OJM which are slated to go.

Flew on OJM up to Hong Kong recently... Still a beauty. It will be sad to see her go.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:47 pm

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 24):
Quoting TimTam (Reply 23):No way! QFi will absolutely exist into the future. They are going through a painful restructuring process at the moment, but I am very confident that the flying kangaroo will continue to serve the world's main gateways well into the future.

Agreed... The flying kangaroo will continue to fly on, just not serve the destination it once dominated.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:05 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
Agreed... The flying kangaroo will continue to fly on, just not serve the destination it once dominated

And perhaps to new ones not earlier considered.....
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:18 am

Hi guys a queston about QF's USA operations, usaly there are aleast 3 QF jets sitting on the tarmac at LAX for the whole day they get in early in the morning from Melb, SYD,BNE with one of them going onto JFK, then fly out later that night, how does the DFW flight work :-

1. What time does QF flight get into DFW?

2. Does that sit all day at DFW before returning back to SYD via BNE ?

3. How long is the turn around at Dallas and is it a daylight departure from DFW ?

Thanks in advance for you answers.
 
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Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:24 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 27):
1. What time does QF flight get into DFW?

2. Does that sit all day at DFW before returning back to SYD via BNE ?

3. How long is the turn around at Dallas and is it a daylight departure from DFW ?

Gets in at 1345, leaves at 2155, so not as big a wait around as the LAX flights.
 
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Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:38 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 28):
Gets in at 1345, leaves at 2155, so not as big a wait around as the LAX flights.

Thanks Trueman   I want to do this flight on my simulator, so between the time that flight gets in then goes again is it taken to a remote stand?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:54 pm

Quoting BA174 (Reply 17):
Am I right in thinking OJA/I still have the old 90s wavey blue economy colours and have not been given the "red" makeover?

The last time I was on one of the three-class (formerly two-class) 747s, it had the wavy seat covers in economy. This pattern was from the early 2000s - definitely not the 90s.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:46 pm

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 30):

I cant see the JQ franchise in Asia surviving if that happens. I would want to wait for more confirmation and reporting from more sources before jumping to conclusions, but if true, it probably will lead to the unravelling of JQ Vietnam and JQ Japan too. Then what are QF going to do with the rather large A320 order?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:29 pm

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 31):
The last time I was on one of the three-class (formerly two-class) 747s, it had the wavy seat covers in economy. This pattern was from the early 2000s - definitely not the 90s.

The wavey blue design was intoduced alongside PTVs from 2001. Before that the seats were a lighter blue with a splotchy pale white sort of design on them.

The red covers were introduced as part of the light pre-A380 refurbishment they did starting in 2007. They were only ever intended for the long haul fleet (the F/J/Y class 744s and the A332s), while the 'regional' two class fleet kept the blue covers (and still has them today despite the remaining unrefurbished 744s flying all over the place).

Complete refurbishments have always been on the horizon for the A333s so they can be forgiven for holding out with the blue there, but I don't see why the 744s couldn't have gradually been transitioned to the red covers. They must have loads of spares now, from all the 744s that have been retired in recent years, and it's not a difficult job to do (even just cabin by cabin or row by row to limit disruptions).

It's surprising how much of an impact the dated covers seem to have on a passenger's perception of the aircraft/airline.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:17 pm

With the QF A330 refurb, are the 300's or 200's getting fitted first? Hopefully they do all the 330's with domestic business cabin first so there is at least one generation of Skybed available... (is the new J product even called the Skybed? Skybed GEN 3??).

Quoting qf002 (Reply 33):

I recommended QF to a mate of mine who flew to NYC a few months ago. Typical me and my big mouth, telling her about the self serve snack bars, the new A380 interior and foot hammocks... As luck would have it, when they left I checked Flight Radar and saw that OJA was assigned to QF15... #awkward. All the other flights were on the refurbished 744's, and she said the staff were amazing on all flights... so almost all was forgiven.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 33):
It's surprising how much of an impact the dated covers seem to have on a passenger's perception of the aircraft/airline.

Absolutely. But there is a significant product gap between what's on offer in Y on OJA/I and the refurbished 744s.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:33 pm

Whats the chances QF will retire OJA/I next and keep OEB/OJM?

OEB and OJM both have an F cabin and can sub for an A380 if needed.

OEB and OJM have both been repainted into the new roo livery.

OEB and OJM are both younger than OJA/OJI.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:00 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 33):
but I don't see why the 744s couldn't have gradually been transitioned to the red covers

I was very surprised when red seat covers were not fitted at the time premium economy was introduced on the 74Js. As you say, there must be so many spare red seat covers available.
 
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Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:02 pm

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 34):
(is the new J product even called the Skybed? Skybed GEN 3??).

Business Suite is the term that I have seen consistently used in both internal and external communications.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:06 pm

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 32):
I cant see the JQ franchise in Asia surviving if that happens. I would want to wait for more confirmation and reporting from more sources before jumping to conclusions, but if true, it probably will lead to the unravelling of JQ Vietnam and JQ Japan too. Then what are QF going to do with the rather large A320 order?

I can't see that happening. QF needs a "partner" in Southeast Asia in critical markets and like it or hate it 3K is that partner out of SIN. 3K has also been doing pretty well in holding its own out of SIN in terms of growing pax and RPK's and with the capacity reductions which have happened around it from Air Asia, TT and others 3K looks to be in a decent spot in terms of making some $$$'s next year. It will also get a leg up from the NEO's which QF have on order. So I can't see a rationale for selling out to Lion Air when 3K probably isn't a drain on Jetstar Groups finances. The thing pulling money out of JQ at the moment is Hong Kong and JQ International. They are the 2 problem areas which JQ needs to fix.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:06 pm

In a move with serious implications, CASA is reviewing its position on colour vision deficiency for licensed pilots in Australia: http://bit.ly/1sgsbun
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:39 pm

QF need to close down JQ HKG and JQ long haul.

QF could easily close down JQ long haul move the B788s to QF domestic and refurb all the A330s into QF intl config and replace some JQ flying to HNL and MEL-NRT + CNS-NRT and maybe some Bali services.

That would leave QF mainline with the perfect fleet, B788/B73H for domestic and A330/B744/A380 for international.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:03 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 33):
The wavey blue design was intoduced alongside PTVs from 2001. Before that the seats were a lighter blue with a splotchy pale white sort of design on them.

I think the pre-PTV seat fabric has a seashell pattern? I recall flying on the international 763 not that long ago and thinking that it looked seashell like. I would hope there are no 744s left with this fabric, the 744s should have the same seat fabric as the A333s which alternates slightly from seat to seat.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 40):

QF need to close down JQ HKG and JQ long haul.

QF could easily close down JQ long haul move the B788s to QF domestic and refurb all the A330s into QF intl config and replace some JQ flying to HNL and MEL-NRT + CNS-NRT and maybe some Bali services.

This would be very foolish. While JQi is reportedly doing quite poorly, QF would not do any better on many of the JQi routes. QF should never return to DPS as it would be a recipe for disaster. Leisure markets are not QF's strong point no matter how "premium" the destination may be - QF needs to fill their J cabin with paid fares instead of redemptions.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:36 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 41):
This would be very foolish. While JQi is reportedly doing quite poorly, QF would not do any better on many of the JQi routes. QF should never return to DPS as it would be a recipe for disaster. Leisure markets are not QF's strong point no matter how "premium" the destination may be - QF needs to fill their J cabin with paid fares instead of redemptions.
Quoting vhebb (Reply 40):
QF could easily close down JQ long haul move the B788s to QF domestic and refurb all the A330s into QF intl config and replace some JQ flying to HNL and MEL-NRT + CNS-NRT and maybe some Bali services.

I don't think they need to close it down and think that they've finally moved JQ International into the right markets after some false starts. Increasing Hawaii and Japan flying on routes like MEL-HNL, MEL-NRT and BNE-HNL are no brainers for an airline like JQ and that's where they should have been focused rather than on building services out of Singapore. Frankly, JQ needs the A320 NEO to help out on DPS so they have the range for East Coast - DPS services on a narrowbody. That way they can increase services to daily and swap out the 788's or they can swap them out on non-peak days and optimise their widebody usage. If BNE-DPS is doing as poorly as suggested having the NEO is a good way to stay in the market while significantly reducing the costs as well. So I think they're doing the right thing at JQI to turn it around but it will probably be another year before we see results starting to flow from what they're doing.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:37 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 29):

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 28):
Gets in at 1345, leaves at 2155, so not as big a wait around as the LAX flights.

Thanks Trueman I want to do this flight on my simulator, so between the time that flight gets in then goes again is it taken to a remote stand?

Flights with long layover times are moved to remote stands, one only needs to observe the movements at SYD on any given day of the week  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:53 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 42):
I don't think they need to close it down and think that they've finally moved JQ International into the right markets after some false starts. Increasing Hawaii and Japan flying on routes like MEL-HNL, MEL-NRT and BNE-HNL are no brainers for an airline like JQ and that's where they should have been focused rather than on building services out of Singapore. Frankly, JQ needs the A320 NEO to help out on DPS so they have the range for East Coast - DPS services on a narrowbody. That way they can increase services to daily and swap out the 788's or they can swap them out on non-peak days and optimise their widebody usage.

I agree, but I think that JQ could've succeeded more from SIN than it did. I really do think QF leaving SIN to the degree it did was a mistake (PER, ADL etc) and JQ could've easily picked up OOL/CNS-SIN. But JQ having the 788s for leisure routes into DPS is a mistake — JQ can easily do leisure Aussie summer/Northern Winter routes to YVR or the US from leisure destinations on the cheap, or perhaps to NRT or whatever like it currently does. JQ should serve subsidiary US routes (YVR, HNL, SFO?) and Asian leisure (NRT, KIX, SGN, BKK) with a few wildcards (NAN, ZQN, CHC, DUD). What about Africa? Summer charter to NBO?

However, realistically the best case scenario is QF immediately cuts costs and starts back up eventually serving PEK/PVG/ICN/HKG/SIN/NRT/CGK/MNL in Asia with JQ to BKK/NRT/KIX/DPS/HKT, QF to LAX/DFW/JFK and JQ to HNL/SFO/YVR, QF to AKL/WLG/CHC/ZQN/NOU and JQ to AKL/CHC/ZQN/DUD/NAN, and QF serving the wildcard LHR/DXB/SCL. I don't see JQi doing too much long haul though, SFO/YVR and serious longshots.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:59 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 42):
Increasing Hawaii and Japan flying on routes like MEL-HNL, MEL-NRT and BNE-HNL are no brainers for an airline like JQ and that's where they should have been focused rather than on building services out of Singapore.

I agree that JQi dithered for a while when the lower-hanging fruit was still there like more NRT/HNL service. However they likely got burned the first time they tried MEL-HNL and were reluctant to return in a hurry.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 42):
Frankly, JQ needs the A320 NEO to help out on DPS so they have the range for East Coast - DPS services on a narrowbody.

  
A320neo will do well for JQi as it can replace all widebody service to DPS. But until these arrive JQi can't afford to not serve DPS (where would they send their 788s?) and it would leave a big gap in their network.

Quoting CYCLOPZ (Reply 44):
I agree, but I think that JQ could've succeeded more from SIN than it did. I really do think QF leaving SIN to the degree it did was a mistake (PER, ADL etc) and JQ could've easily picked up OOL/CNS-SIN. But JQ having the 788s for leisure routes into DPS is a mistake — JQ can easily do leisure Aussie summer/Northern Winter routes to YVR or the US from leisure destinations on the cheap, or perhaps to NRT or whatever like it currently does. JQ should serve subsidiary US routes (YVR, HNL, SFO?) and Asian leisure (NRT, KIX, SGN, BKK) with a few wildcards (NAN, ZQN, CHC, DUD). What about Africa? Summer charter to NBO?

In my opinion QF needs to keep JQ well away from North America, considering this is the bright spot at QFi. They dropped the ball by letting TZ get in first with OOL-SIN, but CNS-SIN is served via DRW.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:19 am

Quoting CYCLOPZ (Reply 44):
I really do think QF leaving SIN to the degree it did was a mistake (PER, ADL etc) and JQ could've easily picked up OOL/CNS-SIN.

I would amend this statement to say that I think QF leaving SIN to the degree it did without having JQ ready to replace it was a mistake. The A320NEO will be perfect for ADL-SIN and probably CNS-SIN while not starting OOL-SIN before Scoot did is, I think, probably the biggest strategic mistake JQI has made.

Quoting CYCLOPZ (Reply 44):
but I think that JQ could've succeeded more from SIN than it did.

I agree that SIN has been a lost opportunity and that JQ could have gone in earlier, much more aggressively and built their network into Indonesia and India a long way ahead of the competition. But they dithered and others have now taken the opportunities.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 45):
A320neo will do well for JQi as it can replace all widebody service to DPS. But until these arrive JQi can't afford to not serve DPS (where would they send their 788s?) and it would leave a big gap in their network.

Absolutely agrred.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 45):
In my opinion QF needs to keep JQ well away from North America, considering this is the bright spot at QFi. They dropped the ball by letting TZ get in first with OOL-SIN, but CNS-SIN is served via DRW.

I think you'll see a 3K A320NEO on SIN-CNS but I agree JQ should be kept away from North America other than HNL. I
actually think there are still opportunities for JQI to do a bit more expansion on routes like MEL-MNL. The A320NEO also opens up lots of possibilities like PER-HKT. So I hope we'll see a bit more point to point 'adventure' when the NEO starts to arrive at both JQ Australia and at 3K.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:57 am

Over the Christmas and New Year period China Airlines will increase its Taipei - Brisbane - Auckland services to 4x weekly and will operate 747-400s on all flights (once again, they did this last year as well).

Source - Airlineroute

EVA Air not too long ago also announced that it will increase Taipei - Brisbane flights to 3x weekly (up from 2x weekly and with A330-200s) over the same period. This will result in 2 Brisbane to Taipei flights on Saturdays.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:02 pm

According to the Fairfax press the government has agreed with Labor's proposal to amend the current foreign ownership restrictions on Qantas contained in section three of the act, which limit an individual investor to 25 per cent ownership and a foreign-owned airline to 35 per cent, to both rise to 49 per cent.

A vote could now go ahead in the Senate as soon as Wednesday, with the bill then to be sent to the lower house for approval.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread - Part 101

Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:17 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 47):
EVA Air not too long ago also announced that it will increase Taipei - Brisbane flights to 3x weekly (up from 2x weekly and with A330-200s) over the same period. This will result in 2 Brisbane to Taipei flights on Saturdays.

It's a bit of a random route for EVA isn't it? And only twice a week too with the aircraft sitting around in BNE for over 12 hours before heading home. Hardly seems worth it, but obviously it's a money maker.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 45):
A320neo will do well for JQi as it can replace all widebody service to DPS. But until these arrive JQi can't afford to not serve DPS (where would they send their 788s?) and it would leave a big gap in their network.

Could JQ make SYD / BNE to DPS work with the A320's they have at the moment? While I don't know the "ins and outs" of JQi's performance, does the scattering of the wide-body fleet effect the efficiencies of JQi's operation? By scattered I mean having the 788's and 330's flying out of OOL, BNE, SYD, MEL and CNS.
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