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Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:06 am

Boeing claims to have lots of prospects.



I hope this is true, especially for the Intercontinental, anyone have any further insight ?
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:17 am

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
Boeing claims

Of course they do. This project moving forward is a dead duck unless they give them away.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:32 am

I have a feeling that TK is one of them. The news of the A380 wet lease has died down and I think the 748i could be a good asset when the new airport opens. Beyond TK, I can't think of anyone else.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:37 am

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 2):
The news of the A380 wet lease has died

It was a hoax, TK never considered leasing A380s and QF would never lease them out.
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:44 am

Maybe EK
In hindsight Boeing should had let the big girl close with the extremely popular chapter of the 744 or make a new variant for exclusive cargo use (not specificaly the 748F) but anything to spare them the poor to very poor 748I sales. She deserves better  
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:55 am

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
Boeing claims to have lots of prospects.

Of course. Every airline the utilizes B744, B773, A346 and possible A380 is a prospect.

Like recently Boeing claimed they were talking to EK about the B748i. It's just that with 200+ B777's and 90 A380's on order it's probably a very one way talk (like Mr Clark hinted).

IMHO Boeing has but 5 years to secure a handful of sales for the B748i. After that it's all over for the B747 family. The B777X and A380NEO will see to that.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:09 pm

Sadly, in all likelihood, the next customer for 748 pax version is the scrap metal dealer
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:10 pm

For current/previous 744 operators that are now buying A380s (e.g. BA/AF/SQ/MH/TG), why have none of them bought the 748? Are the A380 economics that much better? Or was the timing of the aircraft launches more important? Surely 748s are much easier to get on the waiting list for than A380s?
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:04 pm

Actually, I won't be at all surprised if we see a couple of new 748i customers pop up this year. LH seems to be doing well with their frames and Boeing seems to have brought the 748i nearly to the promised specs with the upgrades. It will always be a niche aircraft. None-the-less, LH's use of the aircraft is well thought through... and could provide grounds for publicly traded airlines to justify an order. We'll see. I wouldn't write her off just yet.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:07 pm

You can count on the USAF to buy a couple for Air Force One replacements and possibly for airborne command post replacements. I don't see a US carrier buying any.
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:09 pm

I'm scheduled to fly 748 in oct ... Wish more airlines would buy it
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:13 pm

There is still a capacity difference between the A380 and the B747-8. BA has ordered a very small number of A380s, they may ultimately go for the 748, too - for the same reasons as LH.
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:13 pm

Kind of suprised this hasn't been posted here yet, or at least I havent seen it:

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...on/boeing-aims-build-747-8s-faster

So there may be more to 747-8 sales than Boeing just trying to put a positive spin on things.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:27 pm

With all of the 744s that British has to replace in the future, the 748 would be an obvious choice for them. I know they have A350-1000s and some 787-9/10s on order but not enough to replace the fifty-five 744s that they operate as those will also help replace the older 763s and 772s. They are in fact the largest current operator of the 744 type.

I know it's probably highly unlikely but I would die for a United 747-8i. 
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:30 pm

Quoting DeltaBravo1123 (Reply 13):
I know it's probably highly unlikely but I would die for a United 747-8i.

You and me both! I also would love it, if DL order some, but that may be wishful thinking, or see it.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:33 pm

Thai, Cathay, Asiana,...

Those are the ones I see most likely buying it in pax version.

Qantas, maybe, it could happen, I don't think so. Because they seem happy with their A380s.

Emirates, most probably no. It looks like, according to what I've read on other posts, Tim Clark told Boeing: "No thank you".

Delta, no. They already said they don't want to add quads anymore.
United, I don't think so because they already chose the A35J for their 744 replacement.

Now the question is, would Northwest have ordered it by now if they had stayed independently in business?

BA, no. They already decided their 744 replacement would be a mixture of A380, 777W and 787-10, and maybe the A350.
Air France and KLM, possible, but I doubt it.
Iberia, I don't see them buying it. They will probably get the A350 through a BA order for their A343 replacement.

SAA, I don't think so. Because it's been a while now they dumped their 747s. I don't see them reintroducing the 747 in their fleet.

Do Arik Air and Transaero still want it? I don't think Arik will take it.
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:38 pm

I do hope some more orders . The 747 belongs to my Childhood . I made many flights just to fly the 747 . And for me a real flight is only a 747 flight !
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:50 pm

Quoting DeltaBravo1123 (Reply 13):

haha, even if they don't need it, why can't United just buy ONE of them....just for the heck of it! I am sure they can find use for it somewhere in their network.

[Edited 2014-07-12 07:51:39]
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:54 pm

IMHO, the next customer of the B748I is gonna be a group of A.netters pooling their money together to buy one for the sake of owning one         

In true seroiusness, i think Transaero or some other Russian company may purchase them. I mean anythings possible, Maybe even an airline from China possibly?
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:57 pm

Quoting bg777300er (Reply 17):

I know right! The A350 will be a nice addition but I just don't see it as the 744 replacement. As of now United has an all-Boeing widebody fleet so the A350 is going to be the odd one out... Especially for replacing their long-haul flagship. If not the 748, I would have rather seen the 777-300ER or even the 777-9X later on down the road.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:21 pm

Quoting delta88 (Reply 18):
IMHO, the next customer of the B748I is gonna be a group of A.netters pooling their money together to buy one for the sake of owning one

I'm guilty as charged. If I had the money... I would buy a 748i and name it "Clipper A-Nutter".  

We often get caught up on the economics of commercial aviation here on anet. But its important to remember the love of aviation that brought us all here in the first place. I've always loved the 747... and the 748i is one of the most beautiful aircraft I've seen. Yes... I want the 748i to succeed and yes I would buy one if I were a wealthy Saudi oil king.  
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:50 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 11):
There is still a capacity difference between the A380 and the B747-8. BA has ordered a very small number of A380s, they may ultimately go for the 748, too - for the same reasons as LH.

BA has 12 A380, A350-1000, 77W, 787-9 and planes yet to be ordered to replace their 747-400 fleet.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:06 pm

I hate being negative about planes I love very much, but it's better to be honest.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 2):
TK

I'm not sure TK will invest in either the A380-800 or 747-8i.

More likely the 777-9 for TK

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
QF

Nope. Their fleet of A380s does the job well.

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 4):
EK

As nice as EK would be, I'm going to have to say not likely   Unless, of course, Boeing gives them away!
Finalizing their humongous 777X order just a few days says a lot too.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 7):
BA/AF/SQ/MH/TG

None of those, although, I guess, TG was interested at one point. That has at least 5-6 years ago.
None here.

Quoting DeltaBravo1123 (Reply 13):
I know it's probably highly unlikely but I would die for a United 747-8i
Quoting DeltaBravo1123 (Reply 19):
I know right! The A350 will be a nice addition but I just don't see it as the 744 replacement. As of now United has an all-Boeing widebody fleet so the A350 is going to be the odd one out... Especially for replacing their long-haul flagship. If not the 748, I would have rather seen the 777-300ER or even the 777-9X later on down the road.

I more than anyone! She would be gorgeous!
Unfortunately, the prospects of it now are second to Not-A-Chance-In-He**  

UA will be a Twin Engined airline after the 744s are gone.

The A350-1000s and 787s will be the workhorses going out of this decade.

However, I'm very optimistic of the 777X at UA.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
I don't think so because they already chose the A35J for their 744 replacement.

I'll say again: A35J does NOT equal 744.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 14):
DL

No no no no NO!
DL will be a huge A350/787 operator, I'm just telling you now.
The 10 77Ls are perfect for the fleet. Those should be around for awhile more  
Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
BA

787s, A35Js, A380s, maybe 779s...doesn't look like there'll be any 748s here  
Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
Cathay, Asiana

I think if any more 748 orders come, they'll come from Asia, particularly the Pacific Rim. Cathay ordered the 779, but could certainly pick up a few Intercontinental's.
Asiana, not sure, probably not. They Just took their first A380.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
Air France and KLM, possible, but I doubt it.

I doubt it period!

Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
Do Arik Air and Transaero still want it?

Arik canceled their order some time back.
Transaero has an order for 4 frames. The first will probably be done by early next year.

Quoting chiad (Reply 5):
A380NEO

Maybe the last iteration of the Superwhale (if it ever materializes.)

Quoting delta88 (Reply 18):

IMHO, the next customer of the B748I is gonna be a group of A.netters pooling their money together to buy one for the sake of owning one

I'm down for that!
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:26 pm

LY needs to replace its aging 747 it uses on JFK-TLV, the 747-8 could be a good fit. I'm not sure about LY's cash situation though.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:33 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 7):
For current/previous 744 operators that are now buying A380s (e.g. BA/AF/SQ/MH/TG), why have none of them bought the 748? Are the A380 economics that much better? Or was the timing of the aircraft launches more important?

Yes, A380 economics are that much better, same for the big twins, 777 and A350. They give the airlines the option of replacing the 744 with something that can carry 50% more pax for better per-seat cost, or slightly fewer pax at a better per-seat cost and also get rid of the cost of buying and maintaining two more engines.

Those flying the 744 for its capacity have chosen A380. Those flying it for its range have chosen the big twins. We can see by the lukewarm sales of the A380 and the gangbuster sales of the big twins that there's a lot more airlines who can make use of the big twins.

748 is still carrying around four engines yet only 10% more pax than 744. It really isn't solving any problem the airlines have. Most are happier having the great efficiency of the big twins or the capacity of the Whale.
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:33 pm

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
Boeing claims to have lots of prospects.

They say the same thing every year.

Quoting DeltaBravo1123 (Reply 13):
With all of the 744s that British has to replace in the future, the 748 would be an obvious choice for them.

Er, you do know they have A380s, yes? No place for the 747-8.   
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:40 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 25):
No place for the 747-8.

Indeed not and BA's selection of A388 over B748 was a big blow to the B748 program according to the articles written at the time.
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:12 pm

CX seems to be best hope for an Asian 748i order they've already have the 748F; it would seem logical for them to place an order for 3 or 4..
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:36 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 27):
CX seems to be best hope for an Asian 748i order they've already have the 748F; it would seem logical for them to place an order for 3 or 4..

A fleet of 4 could be utilized for routes like HKG-->LHR and HKG-->LAX  
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:01 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 27):
CX seems to be best hope for an Asian 748i order they've already have the 748F; it would seem logical for them to place an order for 3 or 4..

Boeing's been offering CX excellent deals on some for short-term lift to cover the 747-400 retirement to 777-9 EIS, but CX is reportedly not interested.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:35 pm

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 8):
Actually, I won't be at all surprised if we see a couple of new 748i customers pop up this year. LH seems to be doing well with their frames and Boeing seems to have brought the 748i nearly to the promised specs with the upgrades.

I agree, I think there has been too much talk both earlier this year and recently around the 1500th 747, about renewed interest by customers and potential orders, for them to be simply "talking the talk" so to speak. There are even rumblings about additional orders from existing customers.

LH does seem to like their frames and claims that the frames delivered this year (with the PIP) meet guarantees, and even exceed them in some respects, such as payload/range.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
Do Arik Air and Transaero still want it? I don't think Arik will take it.

Arik was supposed to have switched their order to 777s due to their traffic generation not materializing as they wanted, however to this point they are still listed on Boeing's O&D as 747-8s.

Transaero firmed their order late last year for 4 frames. They are slated for delivery of 2 in 2015 and 2 in 2016. There was also talk earlier this year of them potentially looking to order more 747-8Is, partly perhaps as part of them not taking the early build 787-8s that they no longer want.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 24):
Yes, A380 economics are that much better

I recall Lufthansa had reported a year or so ago I believe, that the 380 was slightly better in terms of unit costs than the 747-8, and in trip costs, the 747-8 was much lower. Since then, the 747-8 has obviously undergone it's PIP and other improvements, however the 380 has also seen its share of improvements.
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:40 pm

I have flown on 4 Airbus 380 sectors recently with BA, and from a crew point of view, when l asked, everyone of them said they prefer the 747-400 to the A380. So if the economics work out, and BA listen to its cabin crew, you never know - they may order some, especially if there is not too long of a delivery forcast for them.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:54 pm

[quote=bmacleod,reply=27][
CX seems to be best hope for an Asian 748i order they've already have the 748F; it would seem logical for them to place an order for 3 or 4..

/quote]

Thank you . This is my GREAT hope !
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:05 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 4):
or make a new variant for exclusive cargo use (not specificaly the 748F)

You being serious with this?

Spend tens or hundreds of millions to build a new variant for a market that in crumbling faster than Obama's poll numbers?

Seriously the cargo market is dead and you want to spend millions making the largest all cargo frame on the market?

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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:40 pm

Never say never for BA. They have 50-ish 744's to replace and haven't ordered a significant number of 787's, 380's or 350's to cover that. Some of them will also be used to replace 772's and 763's. There's a big enough gap in capacity between the 77W's and the 380's that a 748 might proove a nice fit in the fleet. Especially from a slot constricted airport like LHR.

That said I don't really know the capacity difference between a 779 and a 748, and everyone seems to think that bird is in with a chance. Its still a paper plane at the moment though, and we know how BA feels about that.

The 748 is almost dead, but theres still a glimmer of hope. Anyone got any knowledge on how Lufthansa make it work?
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:40 pm

Didn't Air China and Korean have orders in for the 748i? Have these been cancelled?
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:42 pm

Quoting Harvester (Reply 35):
Didn't Air China and Korean have orders in for the 748i? Have these been cancelled?

KE has 10, Air China has 7. Both start taking deliveries later this year.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:48 pm

Quoting bevisisback (Reply 34):
Never say never for BA. They have 50-ish 744's to replace and haven't ordered a significant number of 787's, 380's or 350's to cover that
CHRISBA777300ER at BA Engineering has stated that once the A380 won the RFP, the 747-8 was dead.

That being said, Boeing has significantly improved the 747-8 since then, however Boeing has also launched the 777-9, which the Chairman of IAG (who own BA and IB) has noted would be "perfect" for the group.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:57 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 27):
CX seems to be best hope for an Asian 748i order

Did CI rule it out? Can't keep track of all the past threads and linked articles. If they didn't dismiss the possibility I'd say they are a possible Asian customer. Whatever became of the Hong Kong Airlines order placed a few years ago?
Outside of Asia, I think LY is possible for a couple and maybe, just maybe TK eventually. The pool of potential customers for the passenger version is not very deep, which is sad for this 747 fan.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:03 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 38):
Whatever became of the Hong Kong Airlines order placed a few years ago?

It never made it past the MoU stage.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:06 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 37):
CHRISBA777300ER at BA Engineering has stated that once the A380 won the RFP, the 747-8 was dead.

Ah. I didnt realise that. My thinking was that until significant top-up orders for th3 380, 350 and 787 are placed it would be unfair to totally rule out the 748. We can but hope..
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:22 pm

Hi all,
I can see the following possibilities:

Most likely...
* El Al: perhaps 4x 747-8i, primarily for JFK routes
* USAF: 2-3 for AF1 replacement; possibly 3-4 for E-4B replacement
* Air China: 2-3 x 747-8i top up order
* Cathay Pacific: 3-4 x 747-8F top up order
* Cargolux: 3-4 x 747-8F top up order
* VIP customers: ? X 747-8i

Possible...
* Transaero: 2-4 x 747-8i top up order
* Korean Air Cargo: 2-4 x 747-8F
* China Airlines Cargo: 6-8 x 747-8F
* Garuda: 4 x 747-8i for possible US/Europe/peak Asia routes and Hadj
* Japan Govt: 2 x 747-8i for VIP 747-400 replacement (although it seems the 777-300ER is most likely)
* Hainan Airlines: 4-6 x 747-8i for various airlines in the group, but possibly as 747-8Fs instead/as well as
* Etihad Crystal Cargo: 2-3 x 747-8F, but I see them leasing rather than buying
* Qatar Cargo: 2-3 x 747-8F

Long shots...
* Korean Air: 2-3 x 747-8i top up order, but I see 777X order much more likely
* LATAM: 2-3 x 747-8F for cargo ops; extreme long shot for 4-6 x 747-8i for Europe, Miami and Sydney routes
* IranAir: 4-6 x 747-8i and 2-3 x 747-8F if the planes are still in production when the final sanctions are lifted
* South African: 4-6 x 747-8i for US/LHR/Australia routes, but I see an A350 order more likely
* Ethiopian Cargo: 2-3 x 747-8F, but I see them leasing rather than buying
* Turkish Airlines: 6-8 x 747-8i and possibly 4 x 747-8F ready for opportunities with the new Istanbul Airport

Wish list...
* Qantas: 6-7 747-8i for South America and South Africa routes, plus possibly peak Asia (dream on... But I still think it would work!!!)
* Cathay Pacific: 6-8 x 747-8i for LHR and JFK plus peak Asia routes
* United and Delta for peak Asia and Australia (never going to happen, sob sob...)

Cheers,
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:48 pm

So what is alluded to but not specifically stated is that the next customer might be a leasing company probably for freighters, but quite possibly both types.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:55 pm

Come on Qantas you used to be the world's only all 747 airline. You're one of the airlines synonymous with the 747. Just get some!

[Edited 2014-07-12 15:58:16]
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:05 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 42):

So what is alluded to but not specifically stated is that the next customer might be a leasing company probably for freighters, but quite possibly both types.


Hi mate,
Yes, you are right. A leasing company may order small numbers of both, more likely the -8F.
Cheers,
Bunumuring.

Quoting Deutronium (Reply 43):

Common Qantas you used to be the world's only all 747 airline. You're one of the airlines synonymous with the 747. Just get some!


Hi mate,
I absolutely agree with you, but...
It won't happen, I just can't see Qantas doing it, sadly.
The closest we may get is the -8F one day leased to QF Cargo...but even then I am doubtful of it happening in the short to medium term, now that the ex-GSS/ BA Cargo -8Fs have been apparently looked at and declined by QF Cargo (or so rumor has it...) I actually see QF Cargo leasing 777Fs in the distant future and pleasing all those a.netters who have been demanding the 777 in QF colours!
Cheers,
Bunumuring.
I just wanna live while I'm alive!
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:08 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 38):
Did CI rule it out? Can't keep track of all the past threads and linked articles. If they didn't dismiss the possibility I'd say they are a possible Asian customer.

They have said few years ago they dont need a VLA, how they define that I dont know.

Freighters they may need at some point unless they downgauge to a 777
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:30 pm

Quoting european130 (Reply 31):
I have flown on 4 Airbus 380 sectors recently with BA, and from a crew point of view, when l asked, everyone of them said they prefer the 747-400 to the A380.

Just wonder, did the crew say why? I hope this is not just the usual 'British resistance to change', and the 'if it ain't broke, we ain't fixing it' old school concept, and there is really some substantive points in their comments.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:40 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 9):
You can count on the USAF to buy a couple for Air Force One replacements and possibly for airborne command post replacements. I don't see a US carrier buying any.

Not with threats of defense budget cuts, talk of shutting down some programs like the A-10, and the money pit that is the F-35. The government will keep using what still works until at least the next Presidential election.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:45 pm

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 47):
Not with threats of defense budget cuts, talk of shutting down some programs like the A-10, and the money pit that is the F-35. The government will keep using what still works until at least the next Presidential election.

Actually, that is why the current President will be the one to order the planes, so the next President doesn't have to take any political heat over it.
 
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RE: Next 748 Customer?

Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:02 am

With the 779 coming I see future 748i new customers as being very unlikely. While LH seems very happy with them, they ordered 779's instead of more 748i's. To me that is pretty conclusive; especially since LH does not currently fly the 777. I think there is still a future for the 748F, but it will depend on the freight market improving.
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