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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:24 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 149):

I remember a few months back reading an article where NZ were saying they could have two different configurations for the 789. One config for Asian/tourist routes like DPS and one for North America type routes.

I really want a late afternoon AKL departure to North America.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:02 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 149):
This is very interesting because it flies in the face of the previous strong suggestion that the 787 would be for Asian routes and was in a configuration to suit that market.

PA515......How many 789's are needed for the PER/Asian schedule for the forseeable future ? I rather think the present layout would work on a YVR service
Reeve's once talked about a ~ 260- seat layout, I wonder if this is a possibility for some of the present order of 10?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:33 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 146):
With Air New Zealand%u2019s Boeing 787-9 having made its first commercial flights over the weekend, the airline has also begin to flesh out future plans and routes for the advanced Dreamliner jet.

I was on NZ103 on Saturday. Absolutely loved it. Anyone else here aboard? I note that AeroplaneFreak said he had booked upthread and I may have seen NZ107? I'm currently in the process of writing up the trip report.  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:24 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 151):
PA515......How many 789's are needed for the PER/Asian schedule for the forseeable future ? I rather think the present layout would work on a YVR service
Reeve's once talked about a ~ 260- seat layout, I wonder if this is a possibility for some of the present order of 10?


NZ have recently said, that current 304 configuration cannot make the West Coast to Auckland, with an economical load. So YVR would need to either be payload restricted on the out bound, or it would be the start of a lower seat count 789 fleet.

Although they did say they want to take up there options to take up another 8x 789, to grow an start new routes.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:17 pm

Does anyone have any update on the PR to AKL rumours?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:58 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 153):
NZ have recently said, that current 304 configuration cannot make the West Coast to Auckland, with an economical load. So YVR would need to either be payload restricted on the out bound, or it would be the start of a lower seat count 789 fleet

They are being disengenous. They are apparently registering the789 at 244.944t TOW as opposed to its MTOW of 262.650 t. The lower weight saves money on landing fees and is more than adequate for the Asian services but not enough for the west coast North America services. I am sure they will register future frames designated for Nth. America at the appropriate weights.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:01 am

the news we all have been waiting for NOT!

"Air New Zealand pushes back Boeing 777-200 upgrade plan"

As ZK-OKA is still out of service, (shes having a long holiday) NZ today have now come out and said this;

Air New Zealand says the refurbishment of its Boeing 777-200 fleet won’t be complete until the second half of 2015, despite a previous and admittedly ambitious pledge by airline CEO Chris Luxon that all eight jets would be refreshed by the end of this year.

The upgrade will see the long-range aircraft, which fly to destinations in Asia and North America, receive new seats from tip to tail, including the innovative fold-out Skycouch in economy and the same premium economy (below) as introduced on the Kiwi carrier's Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners.

“For the first one we plan on about nine weeks, because it’s the first to be done and there are a lot of initial certification processes to go through,” Reeves says. think ZK-OKA has been out since March? the fact that it had a "D Check" as well.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zeal...s-back-boeing-777-200-upgrade-plan
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:22 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 156):

So they've discovered going 10 abreast in Y on a 772 isn't going to work?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:51 am

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 157):

So they've discovered going 10 abreast in Y on a 772 isn't going to work?

What makes you say that?

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 156):
Air New Zealand says the refurbishment of its Boeing 777-200 fleet won’t be complete until the second half of 2015, despite a previous and admittedly ambitious pledge by airline CEO Chris Luxon that all eight jets would be refreshed by the end of this year.

TBH I don't remember that ever being said publicly atleast. My understanding was that 4 would be done this year then a gap over the peak summer period and then the remaining 4 by August I think next year.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 150):

I really want a late afternoon AKL departure to North America.

Well there is the extra SFO services over summer STD AKL 1545. Not year round bu I guess they will see how it goes as to weather they keep that schedule next summer if the flight operates.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 151):

PA515......How many 789's are needed for the PER/Asian schedule for the forseeable future ? I rather think the present layout would work on a YVR service

4 would be required to operate PER, PVG, NRT daily, then they had mentioned HNL, PPT after that at one stage.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:06 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 151):
PA515......How many 789's are needed for the PER/Asian schedule for the forseeable future ?

The Dec 14 to Apr 15 schedule would require four 789's for Daily PER, NRT and PVG, and that's with no down time which is usually 2 days for each fleet type. The actual schedule is three 789's and a 77E Mo & Fr AKL-PVG and 763 We Th Su AKL-NRT. Later in 2015 I expected those PVG 77E and NRT 763 flights to be replaced with a 2015 delivery 789, but there was a comment somewhere suggesting that might not happen.

Daily PER, NRT and PVG could be done with three 789's if PVG was changed to AKL -PVG 1100/1805, PVG-AKL 1950/1230.

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 157):
So they've discovered going 10 abreast in Y on a 772 isn't going to work?

AF's fleet of 25 77E's are 10 abreast in Y.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:07 am

The ANZ 789 is operating to the maximum takeoff weight possible, that is 252650kgs. This absolutely works West Coast USA to AKL.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:42 pm

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 126):
OAB/OJQ/OJR/OJS and OXA to OXF are all 171
OJA to OJO are all 168

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:16 pm

About to board NZ103 performed by ZK-NZE. Got a seat in PE so looking forward to the flight!
She looks sharp up close.....
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:58 pm

How will this affect everything now that BNE will get services in October and possibly later?.Unfortunately i cannot open the whole article.Can anyone else share the article.

ANZ B789's will be kept on Trans Tasman services
Submitted about 12 hours ago

CEO Chris Luxon has told the TVNZ networks as well as other media organisations throughout NZ.That it will keep the newly arrive B789 ZK-NZE on the Trans Tasman service to replace a few aircraft under going heavy maintenance at ANZ jets base in AKL/NZAA and NZCH/CHC. The B789 at the moment is on the NZAA/YSSY service as NZ103/NZ104 making one trip a day. It will visit YBBN/BNE later on when the second delivery of the B789 arrives in October a long with the Delivery of a B773 ZK-OKS. passengers… (www.newzealandherald.co.nz) More...
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:27 am

Well a bit different seeing an USAF C40 jet at ROT today  

"Update: US military plane in Rotorua"

The mystery of who is on board a US military plane at Rotorua Airport has been solved.

Representatives from the US congress are in Rotorua and other parts of New Zealand for several days on an environmental tour.

US Consulate General public affairs specialist Phil McKenna told the Rotorua Daily Post today the plane is a US Air Force C40 used for official travel of government officials.


"Representatives from the US Congress are visiting New Zealand for several days to examine areas of interest to the US Congress' House Committee on Natural Resources, including energy and mineral production and export in Australia and New Zealand," Mr McKenna said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11308316
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:45 am

The sound of a jet overhead a few moments ago prompted me to look it up on F/Aware. ANZ6080 772. I'm guessing OKA has finally left the ground and is off for a test?  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:01 am

"Qantas boosts trans-Tasman flights in December"

Qantas is set to run an extra 11 return flights across the Tasman in December to cater for strong demand over the peak Christmas holiday period.

Between December 17 and 27, an extra five return flights will run between Sydney and Auckland (QF180/189), with three additional round-trips between Sydney and Christchurch (QF136/137).

Melbourne sees two extra return flights to Auckland during the same period (QF157/158), while Brisbane picks up a single Auckland return trip on December 20 (QF119/120).

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-boosts-trans-tasman-flights-in-december
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:05 am

So yesterday I flew ZK-NZE 787-9 seated in Premium economy AKL/SYD.

Observations, the seat was fantastic, instead of the usual "bucket" effect seats on the 767 that creak and squeak all the time with little to no support, these were like sitting in a big Lazyboy. The smell of new leather added to the experience, almost like a gentleman's club. The windows are huge and gave a very light/bright appearance to the cabin, plus great views outside. I overheard one of the FA's pointing out to another the hazards to watch out for and interestingly said beware of the dip in the floor when moving from PE to BP and similarly when you get to the forward end of BP the rise in floor to the front galley - wonder why, could it be the heavy BP seats though that sounds ridiculous. Engine start was strange with a very noticeable vibration running through the whole plane. It disappeared once they had been operating a minute or two. Take off was very low powered and just a gentle roll out with a very long run, maybe they were testing configuration or something. Engine noise was also different with a more high pitched whine. About 4-5 minutes after take off the engines were advanced with noticeable increase in thrust. Rest of the flight was standard though the large HD screen made "edge of tomorrow" almost ok... We landed on the short runway and very strong reverse thrust used and upon arriving at the gate we waited as the ground staff calibrated the airbridge and made marking on the tarmac since this was the first time a 789 had used the gate. Over all a very nice smooth quiet flight and look forward to flying in the PE section on a longer sector. Hope they get put onto the Hawaii run!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:14 am

What a month for ANZ -

"Air NZ flight diverted after medical emergency"

An Air New Zealand flight from Bali to Auckland was diverted to Australia this morning following a medical emergency on board.

Flight NZ246 touched down in Darwin to allow two passengers to get off, after one reportedly had an allergic reaction.

Another passenger on board the plane said a woman "had a very severe reaction to some medication", and the flight attendants gave her oxygen before the aircraft landed in Darwin.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11308962
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:51 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 167):
Take off was very low powered and just a gentle roll out with a very long run, maybe they were testing configuration or something

Nope, every departure that I know of has been derated.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:08 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 167):
Observations, the seat was fantastic, instead of the usual "bucket" effect seats on the 767 that creak and squeak all the time with little to no support, these were like sitting in a big Lazyboy. The smell of new leather added to the experience, almost like a gentleman's club. The windows are huge and gave a very light/bright appearance to the cabin, plus great views outside. I overheard one of the FA's pointing out to another the hazards to watch out for and interestingly said beware of the dip in the floor when moving from PE to BP and similarly when you get to the forward end of BP the rise in floor to the front galley - wonder why, could it be the heavy BP seats though that sounds ridiculous. Engine start was strange with a very noticeable vibration running through the whole plane. It disappeared once they had been operating a minute or two. Take off was very low powered and just a gentle roll out with a very long run, maybe they were testing configuration or something. Engine noise was also different with a more high pitched whine. About 4-5 minutes after take off the engines were advanced with noticeable increase in thrust. Rest of the flight was standard though the large HD screen made "edge of tomorrow" almost ok... We landed on the short runway and very strong reverse thrust used and upon arriving at the gate we waited as the ground staff calibrated the airbridge and made marking on the tarmac since this was the first time a 789 had used the gate. Over all a very nice smooth quiet flight and look forward to flying in the PE section on a longer sector. Hope they get put onto the Hawaii run!

I know some aircraft have raised floors in premium cabins to allow for thicker carpet/padding to reduce noise and vibrations from people walking in the aisles in those sections. The most extreme example that comes to mind is First Class on QF A380. The floor is raised by about 2cm from the galley and is quite squishy/plush to walk on.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:18 pm

Quoting nz2 (Reply 167):
So yesterday I flew ZK-NZE 787-9 seated in Premium economy AKL/SYD.

Observations, the seat was fantastic, instead of the usual "bucket" effect seats on the 767 that creak and squeak all the time with little to no support, these were like sitting in a big Lazyboy

Quite a different effect than the BA 788 PE seat which from my experience has a very unsupportive cushion .
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:10 pm

Quoting nz2 (Reply 167):
So yesterday I flew ZK-NZE 787-9 seated in Premium economy AKL/SYD.

Observations, the seat was fantastic

Yay!! That's the same seat that going into the 772s. YVR-AKL will become the best PE option from YOW - I'm not a fan of the 77W PE seat, even with the extended pitch.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:34 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 172):
Yay!! That's the same seat that going into the 772s. YVR-AKL will become the best PE option from YOW - I'm not a fan of the 77W PE seat, even with the extended pitch.

But for certainty of getting this seat you are looking out almost a year ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:35 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 173):

Unfortunately! I just wish the 744s were staying on SFO a while longer.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:58 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 167):

Sounds good, just a shame they decided to chuck in an extra 22 seats over what Boeing marketed it at. After reading some reports it sounds like 3-3-3 in Y is a dog and even worse than 3-4-3 on the 77W.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:19 am

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 175):

3-3-3 is industry standard. 2-4-2 is bliss believe me but both my 788 carriers this month are 9 abreast (et/tg) as is ua la and all the other airlines operating it. The reason it is above boeing spec is due to being light on premium seats. Had it boeing levels of j cls it wd b ok
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:34 am

Vincent Aviation to start MRO-AKL mid-November with Saab 340.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wairarapa-...cfm?c_id=1503414&objectid=11309275

It will be interesting to see what gates they use for the aircraft. Wth Air NZ handling and assigning all the Link gates.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:21 pm

Bit of a change to the paint schedule. MCA was supposed to be next in for paint, but due to extended maintenance on MCF in CHC, it will now be the first ATR to receive the new fern livery as part of its maintenance visit.

OJR is now out of the paint hangar and is having a few bits and pieces carried out before returning to service over the next few days. Note, OJR has been repainted into the fern livery, leaving OAB as the only black A320.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:32 pm

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 177):

Good op to add the saab 340 to logbook for those who never flew link
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:38 pm

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 157):

So they've discovered going 10 abreast in Y on a 772 isn't going to work?

I hope so!

Quoting nz2 (Reply 162):
She looks sharp up close.....

   Even despite the fern.

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 175):
After reading some reports it sounds like 3-3-3 in Y is a dog

As much as I hate to say it (being an Airbus fanboy and all that), I found it to be fine in Y. Given my height, I'm usually the first to find and complain about these issues. The seats were much better than those 767/77W. Though this was only on a short flight. Might be less fine if the flight was to NRT/PVG etc. From memory, there is unfortunately, only one 787 operator (ANA) has the 2-4-2 configuration and even then, its just a subfleet.

[Edited 2014-08-15 07:33:11]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:48 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 177):
Vincent Aviation to start MRO-AKL mid-November with Saab 340.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wairarapa-...cfm?c_id=1503414&objectid=11309275

It will be interesting to see what gates they use for the aircraft. Wth Air NZ handling and assigning all the Link gates.

Could this be the start of NZ outsourcing marginal regional routes? with the b1900D fleet getting cut down to 12 frames, likely we will see more cuts.


NZ / Vincent have been friendly in the past running flights on behalf of NZ, I wonder if NZ would codeshare with them?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:15 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 181):
Could this be the start of NZ outsourcing marginal regional routes? with the b1900D fleet getting cut down to 12 frames, likely we will see more cuts.

I have my doubts about NZ giving Vincent anything more than token services simply because if Vincent expanded and got bought out (by say QF) then with that funding behind them it would be hard to stop once the barn door is open and the horses have bolted.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:25 pm

Just an update with the NZ fleet being that NGP was removed from service on the 14th. She now sits at the CHC hangar without titles and engines.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:17 am

NGP does have engines. Just missing an inlet cowl for the L/H engine.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:10 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 184):

Ah right. Obviously saw it incorrectly.

Thanks for the correction,
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:26 am

ZK-OKA comes back into service from the 23rd Aug.

Air New Zealand plans to introduce refurbished Boeing 777-200ER aircraft to its operation. At time this post goes to press, the aircraft code for the new cabin configuration is “777″, with configuration of C26W40Y246. Existing configuration is C26W36Y242.

23AUG14 Auckland – Brisbane
NZ135 AKL0930 – 1110BNE 777
NZ136 BNE1225 – 1725AKL 777

24AUG14 Auckland – Sydney
NZ119 AKL1300 – 1430SYD 777
NZ118 SYD1545 – 2045AKL 777

25AUG14 Auckland – Nadi
NZ056 AKL1000 – 1300NAN 777
NZ057 NAN1415 – 1715AKL 777

http://airlineroute.net/2014/08/19/nz-777-aug14/
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:20 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 186):
ZK-OKA comes back into service from the 23rd Aug.

Will there be another before the southern summer busy period? Now that certification is out of the way what is the expected turn round time in the future.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:30 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 186):

ZK-OKA comes back into service from the 23rd Aug.

Looks like aircraft is really doing the rounds.
23rd BNE
24th SYD
25th NAN and HKG
27th PER
28th RAR
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:03 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 188):
789 - starting PER early from 12 September 2014

Does this suggest that -NZF will be on hand by then?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:13 pm

ZK-OKS is nearly out of the factory.
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae10618.png
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Quoting ZKNCL (Reply 183):
Just an update with the NZ fleet being that NGP was removed from service on the 14th.

I thought she was meant to be around until October.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:09 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 190):
Does this suggest that -NZF will be on hand by then?

Made a note it was to be delivered on the 15th September, but maybe it's going to be ready earlier.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:30 pm

Looks to be an interesting week for the airline - next week yearly profit to come ....


"Air New Zealand pax numbers up 1% with 84% load factor in Jul-2014, group-wide yields up"

- traffic highlights for Jul-2014:


Short-haul: 937,000, +1.5%;
Domestic: 662,000, +2.2%;
Tasman/Pacific: 275,000, -0.3%;

Long-haul: 117,000, -0.7%;
Asia/Japan/UK: 37,000, -1.2%;
North America/UK: 80,000, -0.5%;

Passenger load factor: 84.2%, -1.3 ppts;

Short-haul: 80.7%, -1.6 ppts;
Domestic: 79%, -2.0 ppts;
Tasman/Pacific: 81.5%, -1.4 ppts;

Long-haul: 87.7%, -0.8 ppt;
Asia/Japan/UK: 80.4%, +1.8 ppts;
North America/UK: 91.1%, -2.3 ppts. [more – original PR]

http://centreforaviation.com/news/ai...l-2014-group-wide-yields-up-366413
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:58 pm

When is -OKS due to go into service ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:57 pm

I don't understand this...

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 193):
Air New Zealand pax numbers up 1% with 84% load factor in Jul-2014

When you look at it against this...

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 193):
Short-haul: 80.7%, -1.6 ppts;

and...

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 193):
Long-haul: 87.7%, -0.8 ppt;

Or is the latter lot of measures against the previous month where the increase claim is against the previous July?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:31 am

OKD appears to be the next 777-200 going in for D-check and seat upgrade. Scheduled to enter hanger next week
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:56 am

Any news or confirmation on when NZ will be moving from T2 to TBIT at LAX?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:49 am

To answer Sunrisevalley - OKS is due in service in the last week of September.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 146

Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:23 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 195):

Simple. Larger planes = smaller load factor (ceteris paribus). Take the domestic routes for example. A320 = 171 seats. 733 - 133 seats. 80% load factor in each: A320 = 137 pax, 733 = 106 pax. Load factor significantly decreases if you swap out a 733 for an A320 and not sell any more seats. And if you sold one extra (or even 30 extra, as in the case of starting with an 80% LF), your load factor drops while at the same time you've carried more passengers.
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