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WN Next Schedule Ex Aug 4. First Post FL Merger.

Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:08 pm

WN's first schedule extension post FL merger is set for Aug 4th with service for sale out to the start of March 2015.
With this extension there's not a lot of rumors. Also no new international cities being talked about.

The only thing I have heard about this extension is we may see the retirement of all the 737-500 flying.

I'm predicting this extension will be the optimising schedule of ALL.
I can see WN using this slow season to rework
The now combined schedule to get all It's ducks in a row.
That includes A/c flows with turn times and connecting times.
Hopefully this will improve the horrible OTP.

My prediction for new flying is HOU-SJU becomes daily.
That's it.

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Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:45 pm

For a moment I got excited because I thought WN was going to start service to Bucharest!
 
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:02 pm

I wonder if we will see signs of a very tight fleet based on the 717 removal. Yes, the last days of the current period are all WN metal, but that is a only a few days over a holiday period. And there may be some holiday reductions and an all-hands-on-deck approach to covering flying those few post-FL days with fewer planes in scheduled maintenance, charter assignments or dedicated spare duty for those few days. The WN fleet won't be tight forever but I wonder if we will see some notable, partially-temporary belt tightening in this upcoming release due to the fleet.
 
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:05 pm

I hope an effort is made to work on and fix the on-time performance issues. I fly WN twice a month, and now avoid late afternoon and evening flights it at all possible. 7 out of my last 9 flights were late more than 30 minutes, including one at 3.5 hours and one that diverted enroute due to severe WX...which I can't fault for safety considerations...however it is frustrating to be booked on a flight at 725pm and you receive a text msg at 1215pm advising the flight is already delayed. I fly the same city-pair and in comparison 3 additional flights were on US and they operated on-time originating or terminating at a large hub, when my usual WN flights posted delays exceeding an hour. It appears the famous 30 minute turn times are not realistic if you fly in and out of delay prone airports multiple times a day. One aircraft routing that insured delays would begin early in the day had the A/C flying FLL-PHL-MCO-PHL-TPA-MSY-HOU. Delays occurred in MCO due to WX, PHL due to WX/Northeast ATC, TPA and MSY WX and arrived HOU on average 1+hours late everyday for 21 straight days with most stations, like PHL, scheduled for 30 or 35 minute turn times. I am a loyal customer and fan of WN and its service, and hope these operational issues are reviewed and being addressed daily. An airline known for on-time performance and #1 rankings in the industry has lost to rock bottom performance, and it is troubling to customers and WN employees alike.
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:11 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
It appears the famous 30 minute turn times are not realistic if you fly in and out of delay prone airports multiple times a day.

That along carrying more and more bags and cargo. Ramp can only go so fast. Turn times need to be made more realistic to improve OTP.
 
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:29 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
WN's first schedule extension post FL merger is set for Aug 4th with service for sale out to the start of March 2015.

Something must be in the works as it was originally scheduled to be released July 28.
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:38 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
The only thing I have heard about this extension is we may see the retirement of all the 737-500 flying.

I sure have heard nothing of this. We have retired a few but a mass retirement? I know that we are treating them somewhat the same as the -200s towards the end of their life, I.E. keeping them close to DAL/HOU and adjoining states. I know the retirement rate has dropped considerably, I know that we have only retired 2 or 3 classics this year here in DAL. Although I did fly a -500 from MAF to LAS a couple of months ago.
 
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:53 pm

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 6):
Although I did fly a -500 from MAF to LAS a couple of months ago.

I don't think they are (yet) staying as tightly near DAL as the 732s did toward the end, though they seem to be staying in the Central and Mountain time zones more or less. I had one BNA-MDW a couple of weeks ago.
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Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:01 am

Quoting a318 (Reply 1):
For a moment I got excited because I thought WN was going to start service to Bucharest!

You'd be excited about flying on a cattle car 737 all the way to Romania?
 
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Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:50 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
I'm predicting this extension will be the optimising schedule of ALL.

I don't think you will see much new. It's low season. I expect in the April schedule you will see a significant pulldown of ATL and some more DAL long flying at the expense of stuff like ICT-DAL. I also think of stuff they typically fly seasonally will not be back because of all the grounded 717s.
 
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RE: WN Next Schedule Ex Aug 4. First Post FL Merger.

Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:09 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 6):

From my understanding the 737-500 will be down to 6 aircraft by January or February. With schedule deliveries of new 800's and the remaining 10 FL 737-700s could easily be used to replace the remaining 737-500's

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Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:44 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 10):
From my understanding the 737-500 will be down to 6 aircraft by January or February. With schedule deliveries of new 800's and the remaining 10 FL 737-700s could easily be used to replace the remaining 737-500's

Point being that WN is losing more capacity with the 717's than they are replacing---that is why it is a big deal to take the 500 fleet down.
 
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Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:58 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
The only thing I have heard about this extension is we may see the retirement of all the 737-500 flying.

But this is right after the 717s will be removed from the fleet. Will they be able to bring on enough capacity to replace all of the 717s and 735s so quickly?
 
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Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:06 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

At some point I'll have my buddy pull some data that shows WN is actually doing better than people realize in atlanta and aside from OKC won't be pulling down ATL. And Delta fans need to realize that if WN went away in ATL, Spirit would turn ATL into a hub pretty quickly. Delta couldn't add enough flights to take the gates WN is using.
 
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Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:29 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
Delta couldn't add enough flights to take the gates WN is using.

They wouldn't need to. Delta right now is around 8-9 flights per day per gate (on the domestic side) If they took over the rest of C it would probably drop them down to 6 or so flights per day per gate.
more importantly it would give them much need mainline gates and possibly a chance to get all the 50 seaters on D.
also assuming they add a little capacity for the complete replacement for WN along with one of the ULCC setting up some kind of shop.......

Lets put it this way, it would be nothing like when EA went bust and half the airport was empty for a while.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):

At some point I'll have my buddy pull some data that shows WN is actually doing better than people realize in atlanta

At this point hell might just freeze over if you were to post some data.  
Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

agreed on more ATL cuts.
 
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Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:36 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
I expect in the April schedule you will see a significant pulldown of ATL and some more DAL long flying at the expense of stuff like ICT-DAL.

I hope you're right, then you'll actually have said something that turned out to be true for WN/FL... like the codeshare never happening, WN dropping all international routes, etc...
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Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:56 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 14):

Taking over all the WN gates without adding a single new flight should do wonders for the CASM.
 
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Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:45 am

Well the good thing is, none of the ATL Major Reductions are going to happen, so we don't even need to worry about said open gates.  
 
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Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:38 pm

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 6):
I know that we have only retired 2 or 3 classics this year here in DAL

Speaking about DAL, does anyone think we will see any DAL adjustments? It is probably too soon to tell yet if bookings on each of the new routes are weak or strong and warrant changes.
 
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Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:49 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
At some point I'll have my buddy pull some data that shows WN is actually doing better than people realize in atlanta

Actually I was just looking at DB1B O&D share and apart from the schedule data below, WN/FL's combined market share has hit a new low each 1Q for the last 3 years. It's significantly down.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 15):
I hope you're right, then you'll actually have said something that turned out to be true for WN/FL

Let's see, WN/FL ATL departures for July 2014 are down 17% from a year earlier, 28% from 2 years earlier, and 31% from 3 years earlier and I predicted that, so don't let facts get in the way of a slam that embarrasses you much more than me.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 14):
agreed on more ATL cuts.

Some others are in denial and the dark.
 
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Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:57 pm

When does FL officially close shop? I know there was a thread a few months back, but I can't find it.
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Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:20 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
When does FL officially close shop? I know there was a thread a few months back, but I can't find it.

Dec. 28th. Last flight will be TPA-ATL
 
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Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:36 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
Actually I was just looking at DB1B O&D share and apart from the schedule data below, WN/FL's combined market share has hit a new low each 1Q for the last 3 years. It's significantly down.

I got someone to pull someone data for me. This is the ATL local market. DOT data

For 2011 FL had 19.8% passenger share with an avg fare of $137
For 2012 FL/WN had 20.9% passenger share with an avg fare of $144
For 2013 FL/WN had 19.5% passenger share with an avg fare of $131
For the latest quarter FL/WN had 24% share with an average fare of $123 (buying share). Though FL was very low at $112 and WN was at $152.

What I see is fairly stable. 1 share point either way isn't saying much. The latest quarter has year v year WN/FL up in share not down but again it is only 1 point.

Also Delta is not capturing FL's former passengers. The reason they flew FL in the first place was low fares. They don't care about Skymiles or SkyClub etc and they aren't getting low fares at Delta.

As I have posted before WN has a higher average fare in ATL than they do in Chicago, BWI or Denver. Their overall load factor is about 1-2 points lower than their system average.

The conventional wisdom on WN is ATL is wrong. I expect some markets like Oklahoma City to be cut but overall WN will be at 120-150 flights per day in ATL. If not, then Spirit will. Spirit would pull down all their DFW, O'Hare , Denver flying in a second to take extra gates in ATL. So anyone hoping for a DL super fortress in ATL with 85-90% share, it isn't going to happen. The idea that Delta would be able to grab all those gates and go from 9 to 6 departures per gate isn't going to happen either. If Sprit wants IN with 100 daily flights, theyd get in (they cant now because everything is occupied). Delta would have no say and no way to stop them because Spirit's passengers are passengers who don't fly Delta and wont respond to Delta pricing, incentives etc.

It is too bad that Norfolk and Louisville were cut because they were starting to perform well.

I am not in the airline industry but I can read data because I am in the financial industry in CA.
 
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Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:03 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 22):
For the latest quarter FL/WN had 24% share with an average fare of $123 (buying share). Though FL was very low at $112 and WN was at $152.

You can't just look at one quarter. You need to compare the same period year over year. This is DB1B domestic share for FL and WN combined from ATL for the same quarters:

3Q2011 23.00%
3Q2012 24.71%
3Q2013 16.72%
 
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Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:47 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 22):
theyd get in (they cant now because everything is occupied).

What are you talking about? NK or F9 could expand here if they wanted. WN doesn't us the CUTE gates on D that much anymore and soon enough UA is going to move to T which is going to mean two or three more CUTE gates.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):

If you think Delta wouldn't add capacity if WN went away then i can't help you.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 22):
Also Delta is not capturing FL's former passengers.

Do you have any data to back that up? I call horse poo that people who were flying paid F on FL, now every single one of them is flying Y on WN.
 
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Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:51 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 21):

I thought the flight was Flight 1 ATL - TPA, the first flight FL ever did?

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Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:40 pm

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 25):
I thought the flight was Flight 1 ATL - TPA, the first flight FL ever did?

FLY

You are correct sir. Final flight is on 12/28 ATL-TPA as flight 1. I thought it was the first Valujet flight though?
 
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Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:41 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):

This was not a merger, it was an acquisition.
 
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Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:47 am

Quoting 175erj (Reply 27):

Whatever you want to call it. Just thank the airline gods it's almost over!
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Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:15 pm

Aguadilla PR rumored to be announced on August 4th.
Apparently there's some stuff on FB and other websites.
If true didn't see that coming.
I'm guessing FLL and BWI may see service.
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:41 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 29):
I'm guessing FLL and BWI may see service.

I don't see WN starting FLL service until the international gates at the WN terminal are completed. MCO maybe. The SJU service is doing VERY well from what I've heard.

HOU-SJU is going daily and MDW-SJU is coming...
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:01 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 30):
I don't see WN starting FLL service until the international gates at the WN terminal are completed.

BQN is domestic. Why would WN need to wait?
 
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:04 am

Quoting maverickTTT (Reply 31):
BQN is domestic. Why would WN need to wait?

True. I was thinking of the Dominican Republic for some reason... I should stay off of a.net on Saturday nights.      

The Aguadilla Airport Facebook page has an announcement on it regarding WN service beginning January 2015...
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:23 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 32):

The Aguadilla Airport Facebook page has an announcement on it regarding WN service beginning January 2015...

Yeah, here's the link:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aguadilla-airport/159861924038102

It says, "Southwest Airlines will begin operations from our airport on January 2015. According to information received their initial route will be a non-stop flight from Aguadilla to Fort. Lauderdale. Teresa Laraba president of customer service stated that this will be just the beginning of Southwest in Aguadilla and she does not rule out new destinations to Baltimore, Tampa and Orlando from Aguadilla. This information has not been confirmed by the Port Authority of Puerto Rico."
(The photo included is when WN did testing/proving runs to BQN last year.)

So, why BQN? Is it that large of a market? Or is it simply a new "near international" destination to add to WN's list?
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:11 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 33):

Well it's on Facebook so it has to be true right? Haha.
If it is true I can see 2 flts a day to FLL to start.
If timed right it could capture both O&D pax and connecting pax.
Something like a 06:00am and 14:00pm departures to FLL.
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:16 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 33):
So, why BQN?

The Aguadilla metropolitan area has a population of over 300,000 people. I would assume BQN's nonstop services to the mainland can draw from Mayagüez area as well, since their local airport MAZ only offers 9K (Cape Air) puddlejumper service to SJU, so then you're talking well over half a million people that would likely prefer this option to SJU. 500-600k is still a very small market by WN standards, but there is a lot of outbound and particularly inbound VFR traffic to consider, as well as tourism. BQN serves as the primary gateway to the Porta del Sol region, which is renowned for its beaches and surfing. In a broader sense, BQN offers a much more tranquil, safe, and naturally beautiful environment than SJU, which may be closer to most of the island's primary tourist attractions but has a very gritty urban vibe and notoriously high crime rate that makes many people uncomfortable.

All that said, I would have never guessed that BQN would be the next WN market addition. It sounds like it will just be a 1x daily FLL-BQN service. Will be interesting to see how B6 and NK react. I am honestly shocked that B6 never bothered to add FLL-BQN (or FLL-STI) as part of its FLL expansion efforts, given its strong presence in Puerto Rico (and the Dominican Republic).

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 30):
HOU-SJU is going daily and MDW-SJU is coming...

Not surprising, although it will be interesting to see how AA, B6, and UA hold up on the ORD-SJU route once WN begins nonstop MDW-SJU. I also think WN could, in spite of its past PHL struggles, be better positioned to add PHL-SJU than B6. That route typically had two competing carriers on it (until AA dehubbed SJU), and I think an LCC could do extremely well on it.
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:33 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 21):

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
When does FL officially close shop? I know there was a thread a few months back, but I can't find it.

Dec. 28th. Last flight will be TPA-ATL

I'm sorry if this has been discussed, but on that day obviously all 717s will be taken out of service. But what about he remaining FL 73Gs? Will there be many FL 73Gs that will still need to be converted to WN configuration and paint? Will we see any WN flights operated in FL colors and configuration while they are waiting to get the final few FL aircraft converted?
 
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:29 pm

There shouldn't be any 73G's left on the FL side of the partition by 12/28. All FL 73G's should already be in conversion by the end of November at the latest.
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:09 pm

Quoting SWADawg (Reply 37):

I believe the last 8 FL 737-700 go thru conversion December thru January and come online in 4 in January and 4 in February.
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Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:55 am

Not what we're being told. We'll see I guess.
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Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:58 am

They need to do something about their on time performance. It is AWFUL! Out of 14 flights in the last two months, NONE left on time. This past Friday, I sat in the Dallas airport for 7 hours after flight was cancelled due to maintenance. I counted the board and there were 58 flights delayed just that afternoon. I spoke with the gate agent and she admitted it was a huge problem and she gets yelled at everyday by dozens of passengers. I filed a complaint this time because I had logged over 40 delays in the last 6 months. Their operation is a joke from this standpoint. I may be switching to American very soon.
 
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Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:35 pm

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 40):
They need to do something about their on time performance. It is AWFUL! Out of 14 flights in the last two months, NONE left on time. This past Friday, I sat in the Dallas airport for 7 hours after flight was cancelled due to maintenance. I counted the board and there were 58 flights delayed just that afternoon. I spoke with the gate agent and she admitted it was a huge problem and she gets yelled at everyday by dozens of passengers. I filed a complaint this time because I had logged over 40 delays in the last 6 months. Their operation is a joke from this standpoint. I may be switching to American very soon.

You are so correct on this---I have been a 40 year customer and I have never seen it so bad. SWA needs to fire some people and get this right---we are all running out of patience
 
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Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:44 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 41):
You are so correct on this---I have been a 40 year customer and I have never seen it so bad. SWA needs to fire some people and get this right---we are all running out of patience

The problem is that it is almost an institutional issue at this point starting at the top. We know how often those folks are fired. Last week on the employee blog they were celebrating Gary's 10th year as CEO. Chances are many customers and employees right now are wishing it was his last.
 
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Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:18 pm

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 40):

Hopefully rumors are true and alot of tweaks
are planned for this schedule release that should help mellow out the ontime reliability SNFU.
With each schedule change now until the next.
The wonderful people working in the puzzle palace( Network Planning) have been building a more flexible schedule with aircraft Flows to help reduce and recover if the system goes bad.
Unfortunately a schedule can only do so much.
Gary and other know this all to well.
The have spent millions this past year to redesign and input a new dispatch center in DALLAS. This should help speed up real time fixes on a daily basis. All this should help the last thing that needs fixing is the ground ops department.
3yrs without a contract has hurt moral and the legacy Whatever it takes work ethic.
Fix this and I truthfully believe the operation and ontime numbers will improve dramatically. HERB "take care of your employees and they will take care of you and your customers".


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RE: WN Next Schedule Ex Aug 4. First Post FL Merger.

Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:32 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 43):
3yrs without a contract has hurt moral and the legacy Whatever it takes work ethic.
Fix this and I truthfully believe the operation and ontime numbers will improve dramatically. HERB "take care of your employees and they will take care of you and your customers".

Unfortunately Herb's words no longer mean anything to those calling the shots. GK going out of his way to tell everyone that there isn't a moral problem at WN is just evidence of his delusional nature of the current state of the company. Sure some of the lower level management keep things going well and insulate as much as possible, but they are even frustrated at how things have eroded as Gary chases his white whale (15%). Maybe it isn't all Gary's fault. We've seen plenty of organizations with the upper C level execs are sheltered from realities because their VPs don't want to admit to any faults.

Hopefully they can fix the schedule. I had heard that there is a new scheduling system coming in that will allow them to eliminate the need to operate everything on the 5s and also get away from having so many direct flights. One of the big problems right now is the inability for a flight number to die at a hub to avoid impacting a ton of cities down the line. We'll see though. I still think turn times need to come up a ton through specific airports. They wanted to go back and play in the congested markets, well they need to schedule for them.
 
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RE: WN Next Schedule Ex Aug 4. First Post FL Merger.

Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:00 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 44):
GK going out of his way to tell everyone that there isn't a moral problem at WN is just evidence of his delusion

Well not sure about a 'moral' problem ( but I have heard of a few lol), but can attest to morale.  

Seems the moat around DAL is a lot more than it has been. Unless of course, any decision on anything needs to be addressed at your station, then everything needs to go thru there. No matter how trivial it seems. But that is only my impression.
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RE: WN Next Schedule Ex Aug 4. First Post FL Merger.

Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:09 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 44):
One of the big problems right now is the inability for a flight number to die at a hub to avoid impacting a ton of cities down the line.

What difference does the flight number make? If the airplane and crew leave late, they are going to affect the downline cities regardless of how many flight numbers are involved.

WN's habit of scheduling crews with airplanes might actually cut down on delays some. Let's take a hypothetical simplified hub where 90 percent of flights arrive in time for the outbounds to leave on time. If the airplane, flight and cabin crew all come in together, 90 percent of outbounds will leave on time. If the airline, flight and cabin crews all come in on different flights, only about three quarters of the outbounds will leave on time (as roughly 1 flight in 4 will have either the airplane or the flight crew or the cabin crew late, and if any one of the three is late, the flight leaves late).
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RE: WN Next Schedule Ex Aug 4. First Post FL Merger.

Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:46 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 44):
One of the big problems right now is the inability for a flight number to die at a hub to avoid impacting a ton of cities down the line.

THIS.

The days of the 7-leg flight number need to end yesterday. No more than two legs per flight number should exist. Being able to swap out at the hub (or, "Mega Cities", as WN seems to prefer to call them) to get things back on time without having to worry about the impact on enroute/downline pax on that same flight number would be a huge step toward facilitating meaningful operational recovery.

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RE: WN Next Schedule Ex Aug 4. First Post FL Merger.

Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:56 am

Quoting maverickTTT (Reply 47):
Being able to swap out at the hub (or, "Mega Cities", as WN seems to prefer to call them) to get things back on time without having to worry about the impact on enroute/downline pax on that same flight number would be a huge step toward facilitating meaningful operational recovery.

I don't understand your point. WN already swaps at hubs (and leaves connecting passengers behind) every day.
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RE: WN Next Schedule Ex Aug 4. First Post FL Merger.

Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:59 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 48):
I don't understand your point. WN already swaps at hubs (and leaves connecting passengers behind) every day.

The point is, when you sell a flight that flies "direct service" on a AAA-BBB-CCC-XXX-YYY-ZZZ routing, you're picking up people in AAA that are going to CCC, people in BBB that are going to XXX, and people in CCC that are going to ZZZ (and whatever other downline combination). If you have a disruption, you can't recover without further inconveniencing people who paid for direct service. If you limit a line of flight to AAA-BBB-CCC, those pax that got on at BBB that are going to XXX or ZZZ are no longer expecting direct service, thus making recovery swap opportunities easier to swallow for all involved. You can apply the same logic to crew scheduling.

I recognize that this is clear as mud, but it's largely a perception issue.

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