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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:03 pm

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Yes, but it cannot operate above 2440 m. Mexico City is possible, but has no alternate because Toluca is too high.


Ah, its probably something they'll add at a later date.

Right now they aren't certified to fly into London City - with that being rectified next year.
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:00 pm

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Thanks - but it´s the certificate of engines, not of plane.
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:23 pm

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Thanks! This one works for now, and has been updated on 30th of June 2016.
Page 11, on top, section 11 - Flight Envelope. Maximum operating altitude for takeoff and landing 2438 m.
Another oddity, also page 11, section 12.2
Takeoffs are optional, landings are mandatory... yet between -54 and -30 degrees, CS100 can take off but is then stranded in heaven.
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:48 pm

chornedsnorkack wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:

Thanks! This one works for now, and has been updated on 30th of June 2016.
Page 11, on top, section 11 - Flight Envelope. Maximum operating altitude for takeoff and landing 2438 m.
Another oddity, also page 11, section 12.2
Takeoffs are optional, landings are mandatory... yet between -54 and -30 degrees, CS100 can take off but is then stranded in heaven.


Which all makes sense, because no one wants to fly to somewhere that cold anyhow.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:30 pm

Bombardier extends C Series range from restricted airports.

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... ries-range

The modifications, such as a different setting for slats and flaps and changes to climb thrust integration, resulted in a 150 nm increase from London City Airport (LCY) for the CS100, C Series program head Rob Dewar said. These changes also led to a 450 nm improvement from Denver for the larger CS300.


According to the manufacturer, the CS100 now has a range of 2,350 nm out of LCY. Dewar said the aircraft can make it to New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport, with up to 42 passengers in an all-business class configuration, without a refueling stop.


According to Dewar, the CS100 could fly from LCY to Dubai International Airport with around 80 passengers, and to Moscow with 108.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:46 pm

Well worth a read! Updates on the next couple of SWISS CS100s.

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-upd ... elMouse_tw
 
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:18 pm

Looks like HB-JBA did not fly yesterday, Jul 20 and today Jul 21, did not fly in the morning. It was delayed over 2 hours for the afternoon 1235 CEST departure. Any one know what's going on? Does not look good for dispatch reliability though it's still only a week after EIS.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:32 am

Looks like it had an a/c failure which grounded the plane for part of the day (http://www.aviationgazette.com/cs-100-o ... r-failure/)
Hope they iron out all the issues.

Hard to say what the reasons are, but the on-time record hasn't been stellar (https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/hb-jba)
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:44 pm

Second Swiss CS100 first flight today.

https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 3347137536
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Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:11 pm

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A bit of a random question that comes from watching all the recent delivery footage... it appears that with the C Series Bombardier made the decision to use a roof hatch for flight deck emergency egress. Based on this fact and the fact that I have never seen a photo of a C Series with open flight deck windows I can only assume that the flight deck windows on the C Series don't open.

My question is, if my assumption is correct, what gives? Not having operable windows seems be a common theme on Bombardier products and given the amount of coverage they've had about the C Series being designed by pilots, for pilots I'm shocked that not a single one said "Hey, can we have a window that opens?" Having spent 12 years working as a pilot in airline operations having a window that you can pop open has come in handy more times than I can count from an operational perspective and is also just a nice way to get some fresh air for the few minutes you're on the ground. Unless there's a huge drag penalty created by the window seems, I just can't see any reason not to have this feature. What gives Bombardier?


Usually, planes that have four cockpit windows will not have any that can open. This is the case on the CSeries and on other Bombardier planes. It is probably going to become the norm at Boeing too as they have done so with the 787. The only plane I can think of that has four windows with two that can open is the E-Jet. You can tell as the middle two window are huge and are part of the some assembly only being separated. by a metal strip where the outer opening windows are smaller and totally their own thing with painted skin in between them and the bigger windows.
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Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:02 pm

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Wow... That is great for the first 30 days.
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:36 am

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ikolkyo wrote:

Wow... That is great for the first 30 days.


Haven't even hit 10 days of service yet! Very good performance for a new short-haul aircraft.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:37 am

On LX390/391 today, she climbed to FL400/410 over France... wow. and it seems that after a week in service LX has dialed it in. Great for LX and BBD!
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:48 am

There must be plenty of passenger reviews by now....what's the consensus?
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:42 pm

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Very good performance for a new short-haul aircraft.

Short-haul? It can do TATL nonstop :D
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:55 pm

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Second Swiss CS100 first flight today.

https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 3347137536


And now the second flight https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 3140819972

Delivery could follow soon.
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:53 pm

When is the first CS300 scheduled for delivery? Is it the airBaltic? If I remember correctly Braathens were supposed to be the launch customer for the CS300, but they delayed the deliveries?
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:05 am

Much better performance of HB-JBA over the last couple of days. Much to the relief of Swiss and Bombardier I imagine. Hopefully HB-JBB will enter service with little or no hiccups now. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hb-jba
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:06 am

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When is the first CS300 scheduled for delivery? Is it the airBaltic? If I remember correctly Braathens were supposed to be the launch customer for the CS300, but they delayed the deliveries?


Late 2016 for airBaltic I believe.
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:51 am

I believe September was the delivery target for the first CS300.
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:05 pm

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Much better performance of HB-JBA over the last couple of days. Much to the relief of Swiss and Bombardier I imagine. Hopefully HB-JBB will enter service with little or no hiccups now. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hb-jba


Looks like they increased the schedule from 5 to 6 flights per day, totaling about 6.75 hours. That should put them around 200 hours per month.

During flight testing, the most one aircraft achieved in a single month was around 80 hours, I think, near the end of the program. There were only three months in the entire program where the fleetwide total exceeded 200 hours from 5 aircraft. Route proving was a little faster paced, with up to 4 flights per day, for only two weeks, if I remember correctly.

So the challenge has really increased now that the aircraft is in service.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:29 pm

Looks like 6 sectors today on flight radar - not sure what they've allocated in the middle of the day - looks like a dead flight from Zurich to nowhere - looks like an error as the aircraft was in Amsterdam.

That'd make it 6 sectors daily for the past 4 days straight. A few delays yesterday and a late start this morning but otherwise fairly clean.


If it keeps this up and I may have to eat my words over the amount of additional flights beyond cert they didn't do to find faults. I'll be delighted!
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:21 pm

Interesting to follow HB-JBA on flightradar24 - are all delays caused by the aircraft itself or are many due to airport slots and airspace restrictions too? I notice many aircraft from many airlines are running delayed everywhere this summer, so a bit unfair to slag off the CS100 if it is actually working.
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:57 pm

CRJ900 wrote:
Interesting to follow HB-JBA on flightradar24 - are all delays caused by the aircraft itself or are many due to airport slots and airspace restrictions too? I notice many aircraft from many airlines are running delayed everywhere this summer, so a bit unfair to slag off the CS100 if it is actually working.


That will be hard to tell. I think I read somewhere froma pax that was aboard one of the first flights who said that their delay was due to a last minute change of T/O runway.

Otherwise, there also was the air conditioning system failure that caused a diversion back to Zurich and subsequent day off. Whether or not this issue is also responsible for any other delay is unknown.

As far as I know, the cause of the rest of the delays is impossible to tell without some kind of insider information.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:44 am

Swiss plans to use their new CS100s on these routes in the Winter 2016/17 season. Busy busy busy.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... =hootsuite

And an update on the 2nd and 3rd Swiss CS100s. Should be expecting delivery pretty soon I think.

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/swiss-2nd-c ... 74367.html
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:16 am

I was watching this guy fly over my house tonight and was wondering if any large c series parts are made in SHE China?
https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/vi2344
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:12 am

Ha. Now your asking.

Supposedly the centre fuse is made in China:

http://aviationweek.com/awin/bombardier ... elage-work


However in reality its being done in Belfast.
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:11 pm

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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:34 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
I believe September was the delivery target for the first CS300.


My understanding is November, but that might be airbaltic's EIS, in which case delivery would be sooner.
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:32 pm

Will be interesting to see how airBaltic is going to take 6 CS300 aircraft in just two months.
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:43 am

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When following this twitter, I found a link to an AW&ST opinion which I had not previously seen:

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... -aisle-bar

"After flying in the C Series and digging deeper into its design and systems, I’ve come to the conclusion that it is bringing significant value-creating technology into the market."
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:19 pm

Some info on the second Swiss CSeries aircraft:

When the city of Geneva holds its first-ever new-style Geneva Lake Festival next week, Swiss International Air Lines (SWISS) will be well to the fore. SWISS will be supporting this landmark event by offering spectators a very special treat: a Saturday flypast above the city’s lakeside promenade by HB-JBB, its second brand-new Bombardier C Series aircraft. Not only that, but SWISS will also be taking the opportunity to name its brand-new CS100 ‘Canton de Genève’.


https://latteluxurynews.com/2016/07/29/ ... -festival/
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:00 pm

A nice article about the CSeries technologies and weight savings:

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... -aisle-bar
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:02 pm

Erm, thats linked 2 posts above is it not?
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:22 pm

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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:39 pm

wrongwayup wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
I believe September was the delivery target for the first CS300.


My understanding is November, but that might be airbaltic's EIS, in which case delivery would be sooner.


Lets put it in the middle... October ;)

Listen to what Rob Dewar says at 00:27:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaFEY7LUPPo

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Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:19 am

Second Swiss CSeries has been delivered.

https://twitter.com/BBD_Aircraft/status ... 3467635712
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Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:23 pm

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Second Swiss CSeries has been delivered.

https://twitter.com/BBD_Aircraft/status ... 3467635712



Swiss takes a more conservative routing for HB-JBB (and JBA) than Bombardier has on it's previous trans-Atlantic crossings.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 5/#aa8b170

It looks like this flight will be no stops and direct to Zurich.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:07 pm

Airbaltic just unveiled its CS300 cabin. Have a look:

http://cs300.airbaltic.com/en/premiere/
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Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:13 pm

Looks like Airbaltic is scrapping the silver engines in its current livery and just going for yellow-green like the tail. This is probably a better link to start from:
http://cs300.airbaltic.com/en/intro/
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:28 pm

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Airbaltic just unveiled its CS300 cabin. Have a look:

http://cs300.airbaltic.com/en/premiere/

That is a nice little introduction to the C-series, once one realizes to click on the numbers (01----02, etc.) at the bottom of the screen. ;)

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2. One carryon space per passenger (I couldn't help but not a wee bit narrower carryons than I'm seeing today though...). At least a good try.
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A bit more on the PW1100G PIP which "in principle" can be brought to the C-series (PW1500G).
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ne-396062/

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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:39 pm

I was booked on the C-Series to Manchester this morning, but they changed it to the Avro for some reason..very disappointed! :(
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:43 pm

Looks like CS100 number two for SWISS - HB-JBB - entered commercial service today, if flightradar24 is correct. Two roundtrips to Prague. HB-JBA is only doing Budapest these days, flying six legs every day.

Flight segments appear very stable for HB-JBA, so it seems that the aircraft flies well when it flies and problems/snags/issues happen during ground stops.

The airBaltic CS300 looks really nice, both inside and outside. Can't wait for the trip reports.
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Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:44 am

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I was booked on the C-Series to Manchester this morning, but they changed it to the Avro for some reason..very disappointed! :(


These things happen when only 1 or 2 frames are operational. Nevertheless LX seems to be quite happy with the performance of the aircraft.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:50 am

Bombardier adjust 2016 deliveries to 7, down from 15.

http://www.marketwired.com/press-releas ... 155569.htm

A third CS100 aircraft is scheduled to be delivered to SWISS next month, and the CS300 - the larger C Series variant - is expected to enter service with airBaltic in the fourth quarter. For the full year, the Company has adjusted its C Series delivery forecast from 15 to 7 aircraft as a result of engine delivery delays by its supplier Pratt & Whitney.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:55 am

P&W delays?
So any compo would be from P&W.

I wonder have P&W stretched themselves a bit too far with the GTF ramp across all programs, or has it been a result of the rework required for the A320.

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