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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:17 am

How is CS300 production doing? Is BT going to get any this year?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:05 am

Alexdk wrote:
How is CS300 production doing? Is BT going to get any this year?


I haven't heard anything to suggest they won't...
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:05 am

Bombardier CS300 Kicks-off European Route Proving Tour Alongside First Operator airBaltic

http://www.bombardier.com/content/bomba ... ercom.html

Bombardier Commercial Aircraft announced today that its CS300 jetliner, the second CS300 flight test vehicle, has embarked on a series of European and Middle Eastern route-proving flights alongside first operator airBaltic of Latvia. The flights – which will operate from the airline’s base in Riga include stops in Vilnius, Lithuania, Tallinn, Estonia and Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates - will use airBaltic air and ground operational practices.


The test vehicle got airBaltic titles applied.

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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:17 am

The CS300 and the engines look very nice with that blue colour. The CS300 will be a great asset for airBaltic, for sure.

A bit off-topic, but do you guys think that Bombardier has looked into the possibility of installing the small IFE screens onboard the CSeries in the CRJ NextGen and Q400 too? The screens are so small and recessed into the overhead bin that it wouldn't take too much space in the smaller aircraft either - but would be a great thing for pax in the CRJ and Q400.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:33 pm

Has the third CS100 for LX (HB-JBC to be) had its first flight yet?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:35 pm

Alexdk wrote:
How is CS300 production doing? Is BT going to get any this year?


It seems airBaltic will receive 2 CS300 aircraft this year.

http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/transport/?doc=124367
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:28 pm

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Has the third CS100 for LX (HB-JBC to be) had its first flight yet?


There seems to be an issue with the jet: https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 1639171072
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:15 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Bombardier CS300 Kicks-off European Route Proving Tour Alongside First Operator airBaltic

http://www.bombardier.com/content/bomba ... ercom.html

Bombardier Commercial Aircraft announced today that its CS300 jetliner, the second CS300 flight test vehicle, has embarked on a series of European and Middle Eastern route-proving flights alongside first operator airBaltic of Latvia. The flights – which will operate from the airline’s base in Riga include stops in Vilnius, Lithuania, Tallinn, Estonia and Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates - will use airBaltic air and ground operational practices.


The test vehicle got airBaltic titles applied.

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Any schedule known for this? Would love to go spot it in Tallinn if I'm not flying myself when it arrives.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:58 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
rbrunner wrote:
Has the third CS100 for LX (HB-JBC to be) had its first flight yet?


There seems to be an issue with the jet: https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 1639171072

Thanks for the info, KarelXWB. Since Bombardier are going to deliver only 7 CS100/300 by year end, how many aircraft are due to be delivered to Swiss and to Air Baltic by the end of this year? Does anybody know?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:42 am

KarelXWB wrote:
rbrunner wrote:
Has the third CS100 for LX (HB-JBC to be) had its first flight yet?


There seems to be an issue with the jet: https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 1639171072


Note that HB-JBC (C-FPBE for now) first flew September 24th.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:27 am

rbrunner wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
rbrunner wrote:
Has the third CS100 for LX (HB-JBC to be) had its first flight yet?


There seems to be an issue with the jet: https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 1639171072

Thanks for the info, KarelXWB. Since Bombardier are going to deliver only 7 CS100/300 by year end, how many aircraft are due to be delivered to Swiss and to Air Baltic by the end of this year? Does anybody know?


As mentioned above, airBaltic will receive 2 CS300 aircraft this year. That makes 5 CS100 for Swiss.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:54 pm

Apparently Swiss is shrugging off the delivery delays.
http://business.financialpost.com/news/ ... ies-delays

Of note, last line in the article a quote from Peter Koch, the Swiss program manager for the C Series:
“We are actually very satisfied with the performance the CSeries is delivering today,” Koch said. “Definitely we would recommend the aircraft to other airlines.”
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:40 pm

It sounds like despite their original reluctance, Swiss has been an excellent launch partner, being patient and keeping their fleet plans flexible. It also sounds like Bombardier has been doing better than they seem to have in the past about communicating problems.

Both frames seem to be maintaining a pretty steady six flights per day each, averaging somewhere around 7 hours flight time per aircraft. This means this pair of aircraft together are already logging more hours per month than all five test aircraft did in their best combined month (~420 hours vs ~320 hours, Aug. 2015. In only three of the 24 months of testing did all five together surpass the flight hours each plane is now accruing. With roughly one delivery scheduled per month at the moment, the in service fleet should surpass the 2400 hours of flight test around mid-December.

https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/hb-jba
https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/hb-jbb
Compared to:
http://airinsight.com/2015/10/01/c-seri ... st-update/

The flight rate is still modest, as are the stage lengths. I'm sure Swiss is waiting until they have more of the type in service and a better sense of the level of support the aircraft needs before ramping up the tempo. Yet even as is, we can all see plainly that flight "testing" has entered a much more aggressive phase now.

I'm hopeful for this trend to continue, but higher flight rates and the approaching entry into service by a second airline will be additional variables to test the plane's reliability and Bombardier's ability to support it. Keep up the good work everybody!
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:25 pm

CS300 has received its EASA type certification today:

http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/news ... ercom.html
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:59 am

Quantos wrote:
CS300 has received its EASA type certification today:

http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/news ... ercom.html

Excellent news! Now to get more engines to Bombardier...

I'm of mixed emotions due to engine delays. Long term, great news.

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Re: RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:37 am

lightsaber wrote:
Quoting CXH (Reply 63):In the EASA document, it refers to "Pratt & Witney Canada Corp."
Only the PW1100G based engines will primarily be built in the USA. There are provisions, dependent upon much improved sales, to assemble PW1500G in Connecticut just as the LEAP has multiple assembly sites.

The exception is PW9000 engines based off the PW1500G core will be made in Connecticut.

This is due to PWC having lower cost than "mother Pratt.". That said, the Connecticut factories are investing for low cost volume production. If C-series+MRJ+E2-jet production breaks 200 or so per year, expect production to sramp in Connecticut. PW800 production will remain in Canada.

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I rather thought PW and PWC were more like sisters than partners, in the sense that I thought each had their own projects they worked on independently and did not share.

How interrelated are PW and PWC?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:41 am

Any recently photos or status reports out there for the next to Swiss or the first to AirBaltic?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:56 am

What a great looking aircraft, far more attractive than the bizarre looking 787, are there any VIP / private jet builds in the works ?
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airBaltic gets ready for CS300 EIS

Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:53 pm


Montréal, October 12, 2016 – European Regions Airline Association General Assembly – Bombardier Commercial Aircraft announced today that excellent progress is being made in preparation for the CS300 aircraft’s entry-into-service (EIS) with launch operator Air Baltic Corporation AS (“airBaltic”) later this year. In addition to the receipt of the CS300 aircraft Type Validation awarded by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) last week, the first set of six pilots from airBaltic have completed their C Series aircraft pilot initial type rating course, and route-proving exercises with the CS300 aircraft in Europe have been successfully conducted.

http://www.bombardier.com/content/bomba ... ercom.html
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Re: airBaltic gets ready for CS300 EIS

Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:18 pm

Great news. I wish the folks at Bombardier the greatest success with the C-Series Programme - it really seems like a great airplane. I can't wait to see the CS100 in Delta livery.
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Re: airBaltic gets ready for CS300 EIS

Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:51 pm

This article is just water. There is no precise information about the EIS date itself.
 
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Re: airBaltic gets ready for CS300 EIS

Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:12 pm

Alexdk wrote:
This article is just water. There is no precise information about the EIS date itself.

Its not an article, its a Press Release issued by Bombardier itself. A news artilce and a Press Release are two different things.
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Re: RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:21 pm

kitplane01 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Quoting CXH (Reply 63):In the EASA document, it refers to "Pratt & Witney Canada Corp."
Only the PW1100G based engines will primarily be built in the USA. There are provisions, dependent upon much improved sales, to assemble PW1500G in Connecticut just as the LEAP has multiple assembly sites.

The exception is PW9000 engines based off the PW1500G core will be made in Connecticut.

This is due to PWC having lower cost than "mother Pratt.". That said, the Connecticut factories are investing for low cost volume production. If C-series+MRJ+E2-jet production breaks 200 or so per year, expect production to sramp in Connecticut. PW800 production will remain in Canada.

Lightsaber


I rather thought PW and PWC were more like sisters than partners, in the sense that I thought each had their own projects they worked on independently and did not share.

How interrelated are PW and PWC?

PWC's. Manufacturing is lower cost than mother Pratt, so they are kept apart. PWC does not have the resources to develop their latest engines (dual stage highturbines, axial compressors, annular (not reverse flow) and the latest low pressure turbines are mother Pratt. OK... compressor engineering and manufacturing is outsourced to partner MTU anyway.... But much of the pw1500 and PW800 engineering was 'outsourced& to mother Pratt.

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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:21 pm

What is still developed by PWC themselves?

… should this question warrant its own thread?
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:35 pm

What about LXs third CS100 (HB-JBC to be)? Any news?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:54 am

Something is holding up deliveries:

#BBD stacking up #CSeries on the tarmac. Temporary production fixes on the PW1500 GTF causing trouble? More news today, it seems #avgeek


For sure #SWISS will not get their 3rd #CSeries this week-end and maybe longer... #avgeek #Bombardier


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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:19 am

HB-JBC is currently planned to start commercial ops on Oct 24th, but no delivery flight is known to me yet.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:51 pm

According to http://www.fliegerfaust.com/ HB-JBC is going to be delivered in the next 48h.
This aircraft suffered an Engine Relight In Flight issue on ENG #1. ENG #1 had beed replaced. That's the reason for the delay.

The first BT CS300 will leave the paintshop maybe today or tomorrow...
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:14 pm

flymuc wrote:
According to http://www.fliegerfaust.com/ HB-JBC is going to be delivered in the next 48h.
This aircraft suffered an Engine Relight In Flight issue on ENG #1. ENG #1 had beed replaced. That's the reason for the delay.

The first BT CS300 will leave the paintshop maybe today or tomorrow...


Pratt really needs get their house in order
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:23 pm

[quote="flymuc"]According to http://www.fliegerfaust.com/ HB-JBC is going to be delivered in the next 48h.

As far as I can see, this aircraft only flew once so far. Is that possible? .
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:24 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
Pratt really needs get their house in order


Much easier said than done.

Its not easy to go from essentially nothing to pushing out around 2 fully complete engines per day.


If it weren't for the idiotic clowns with their "game-changing" power point presentations, then perhaps engineering would have a chance of meeting a realistic ramp up. They've already over delivered on performance, so I'd cut them some slack on production.


The Leap will be little different. It already has teething troubles - namely performance.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

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rbrunner wrote:
flymuc wrote:
According to http://www.fliegerfaust.com/ HB-JBC is going to be delivered in the next 48h.


As far as I can see, this aircraft only flew once so far. Is that possible? .


It first flew on 24th of September and flew probably a few more times after that - for instance there was a flight yesterday.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:34 pm

In the next 48h? Didn't happen, did it?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:05 pm

per Sylvain Faust it will be ferried to Europe this weekend, which implied it was accepted by Swiss. Maybe the legal delivery to Swiss was completed yesterday or will be today (paperwork) and then flown tomorrow?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:44 pm

According to flightradar24, it hasn't been flying. I searched under its test registration (C-FPBE) and under its future registration (HB-JBC). No activity recorded. Am I doing anything wrong?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:43 pm

First AirBaltic CS300 will apparently be revealed on Monday, Oct 24th.

Source Tweet:
https://twitter.com/Aviation_Plaza/stat ... 3493779456
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:26 pm

rbrunner wrote:
According to flightradar24, it hasn't been flying. I searched under its test registration (C-FPBE) and under its future registration (HB-JBC). No activity recorded. Am I doing anything wrong?


You are not doing anything wrong. It has been showing up on Flightradar24 as BBA512 when in flight. For some reason FR24 does not report the registration for this aircraft when flying though other tracking sites do. Also FR24 does not show historical flights for BBA - Bombardier though it does for Airbus, Boeing and Embraer.

You can find the flights listed under Planefinder.net: https://planefinder.net/data/aircraft/C-FPBE
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:56 pm

Dash9 wrote:
per Sylvain Faust it will be ferried to Europe this weekend, which implied it was accepted by Swiss. Maybe the legal delivery to Swiss was completed yesterday or will be today (paperwork) and then flown tomorrow?


https://www.flightradar24.com/SWR5201/b62d11a
In transit on Saturday morning.
 
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yyztpa wrote:
rbrunner wrote:
According to flightradar24, it hasn't been flying. I searched under its test registration (C-FPBE) and under its future registration (HB-JBC). No activity recorded. Am I doing anything wrong?


You are not doing anything wrong. It has been showing up on Flightradar24 as BBA512 when in flight. For some reason FR24 does not report the registration for this aircraft when flying though other tracking sites do. Also FR24 does not show historical flights for BBA - Bombardier though it does for Airbus, Boeing and Embraer.

You can find the flights listed under Planefinder.net: https://planefinder.net/data/aircraft/C-FPBE

Thank you for the info, yyztpa.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:10 am

According to flightradar24, HB-JBC (3rd CS100) is scheduled to operate LX2258-2259 ZRH-BUD-ZRH this afternoon. Lucky passengers :)
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:12 pm

Here is airBaltic's first CS300 aircraft:

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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:50 pm

That is a sharp looking bird congrats to BT and BBD.

KarelXWB wrote:
Here is airBaltic's first CS300 aircraft:

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https://twitter.com/BBD_Aircraft/status ... 7272567808
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:33 pm

And another:

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https://twitter.com/Gaussm/status/790571608834510848

Looks quite fresh! This will be one of those air frames that makes any livery look fantastic.
 
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:50 pm

Well the big windows finally have a downside: A barely readable company name!

Other than that, this machine looks amazing :)
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:42 pm

All the pix from the CSeries almost look skewed, such a sleek aircraft!
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:50 pm

The CS300 looks great. It's got the right fuselage length now for its wings and accoutrements. The CS100 looks great, but it's aesthetically a bit too short to my eyes.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:17 pm

Can't help but think the word "air" should be above Baltic on the tail, looks odd.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:32 pm

Hopefully some more news on the horizon: https://twitter.com/airwayslive/status/ ... 1205637122
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:40 pm

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Hopefully some more news on the horizon: https://twitter.com/airwayslive/status/ ... 1205637122


I take this type of Twitter rumor with a truckload of salt.
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