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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:50 am

Hello!! I'm Korean person. Korean Air will delivery 8 for CS300.
In 2017, Delivery at June, August, September, September, October, October, November, December.
So, Do you know KAL CS300's Construction NUmebr?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:48 pm

N837MH wrote:
Hello!! I'm Korean person. Korean Air will delivery 8 for CS300.
In 2017, Delivery at June, August, September, September, October, October, November, December.
So, Do you know KAL CS300's Construction NUmebr?


Hello! Thank you for that information I was not aware and I'm tracking deliveries.

The best place for you to track the MSN of Korean Air is in this file. Its updated regularly from people spotting on the ramp at Mirabel or other sources such as when the FAL is opened to media and some pictures leak with MSN # and/or a sticker of the operator.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:04 pm

What's the story behind 50007, 50008 and 50009? Why was 50010 (HB-JBA) delivered before these 3 frames?

N837MH wrote:
So, Do you know KAL CS300's Construction NUmebr?


According to ATDB, Korean Air's first CS300 has serial number 55006. This will be the 4th CS300 production frame, the first three are 55003, 55004 and 55005 (all airBaltic).
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:33 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
What's the story behind 50007, 50008 and 50009? Why was 50010 (HB-JBA) delivered before these 3 frames?

N837MH wrote:
So, Do you know KAL CS300's Construction NUmebr?


According to ATDB, Korean Air's first CS300 has serial number 55006. This will be the 4th CS300 production frame, the first three are 55003, 55004 and 55005 (all airBaltic).


As far as we know, 50007, 50008 and 50009 appear to be completed, but stored without engined. We know that 50010+ are Swiss, so the planes stored without engines are assumed to be 50007 to 50009. We saw a picture of C-FPHB a while back that is one of the planes stored. It's unsure which serial number it is specifically because the serial is covered. I saw another picture yesterday (https://twitter.com/FlySWISS/status/803294229929852928) of C-FPGP which is also stored without engines. This is probably one of 50007, 50008 or 50009 as well.

We don't really know why exactly BBD chose to start with 50010 instead of 50007. 07 to 09 are probably going to another customer, but we don't know who.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:21 pm

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We don't really know why exactly BBD chose to start with 50010 instead of 50007. 07 to 09 are probably going to another customer, but we don't know who.


Possibly BBD saw what happened with Boeing and the "terrible teens" 787s and thus made a gap in production to have the first commercial planes more finalized and then come back to them and modify them? I know that the CSeries hasn't had many major changes like the 787s, but it could just been foresight by BBD. Another possibility, IIRC, is that the CS100 was supposed to have a different launch customer and not LX. Possibly they were to go to that operator and then they opted out of launching and deferred? I could be wrong but i believed that Braathens or Republic was supposed to launch way back in the beginning.
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Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:38 pm

nikeson13 wrote:
Quantos wrote:
We don't really know why exactly BBD chose to start with 50010 instead of 50007. 07 to 09 are probably going to another customer, but we don't know who.


Possibly BBD saw what happened with Boeing and the "terrible teens" 787s and thus made a gap in production to have the first commercial planes more finalized and then come back to them and modify them? I know that the CSeries hasn't had many major changes like the 787s, but it could just been foresight by BBD. Another possibility, IIRC, is that the CS100 was supposed to have a different launch customer and not LX. Possibly they were to go to that operator and then they opted out of launching and deferred? I could be wrong but i believed that Braathen or Republic was supposed to launch way back in the beginning.


Indeed that is the most credible explanation. The launch operator was to be Malmo Aviation, part of Braathen. They decided not to launch after FTV1 engine failure. I guess it was simpler for BBD to build and park their 3 first CS100 MSN 50007 thru 5009 than re-allocate them to Swiss.

AFAIK there as never been any information or communication, not even rumors, in regards to physical problems and/or redesign on the Cseries. All problems were either the engine, FBW, softwares, etc. As such the 3 MSNs complete without engines must not be waiting for rework but rather for their client to be ready to take them.

We saw a pictures on fully assembled Cseries without engines nor paint yesterday, see a few post above for the links. Not sure if these are MSN 50007-50009 of recently built aircraft waiting for PWC to deliver their engine / blades.

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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:59 pm

According to Transport Canada website, I couldn't find anything about C-FPHB, C-FPGP, or MSN 50007-9. But it also seems that the 1st frame for airBaltic doesn't show up anywhere, so that seems useless. Can't find any record anywhere except those photos.
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Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:46 pm

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AFAIK there as never been any information or communication, not even rumors, in regards to physical problems and/or redesign on the Cseries.


Yup, the aero is completely clean. There is not even a vortex generator that needed to be added. Amazing engineering if you think about it.
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Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:02 pm

Any idea about fate of CS100 test frames? Are they going to deliver them eventually?
 
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Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:47 pm

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Any idea about fate of CS100 test frames? Are they going to deliver them eventually?


yes, all except the first one who will stay at BBD as test bed.
 
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Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:53 pm

golfradio wrote:
Dash9 wrote:
AFAIK there as never been any information or communication, not even rumors, in regards to physical problems and/or redesign on the Cseries.


Yup, the aero is completely clean. There is not even a vortex generator that needed to be added. Amazing engineering if you think about it.


I am aware of a (relatively) minor problem with the keel beam, some micro cracks appeared on the static airframe and reinforcements were installed on the first aircrafts (7-8 at least).
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:09 am

queb wrote:
piotrg wrote:
Any idea about fate of CS100 test frames? Are they going to deliver them eventually?


yes, all except the first one who will stay at BBD as test bed.

IIRC first test frame was damaged due to engine failure, so it sounds reasonable to keep her as testbed.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:01 pm

MSN 50014, will roll out this Friday according to Sylvain. 5th CSeries destined for Swiss.
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Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:11 pm

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MSN 50014, will roll out this Friday according to Sylvain. 5th CSeries destined for Swiss.


It was flown for the first time on 2016-11-05. I think was Sylvain meant is that it will be delivered to Swiss on Friday.

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... view#gid=0
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:25 pm

Dash9 wrote:
nikeson13 wrote:
MSN 50014, will roll out this Friday according to Sylvain. 5th CSeries destined for Swiss.


It was flown for the first time on 2016-11-05. I think was Sylvain meant is that it will be delivered to Swiss on Friday.

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... view#gid=0

Thanks dash, makes much more sense. So after this one that leaves one left to deliver this year if they keep on track correct?
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:50 pm

Dash9 wrote:
nikeson13 wrote:
MSN 50014, will roll out this Friday according to Sylvain. 5th CSeries destined for Swiss.


It was flown for the first time on 2016-11-05. I think was Sylvain meant is that it will be delivered to Swiss on Friday.

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... view#gid=0


So what's going on with the 4th aircraft? Still waiting on blades?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:52 pm

nikeson13 wrote:
Dash9 wrote:
nikeson13 wrote:
MSN 50014, will roll out this Friday according to Sylvain. 5th CSeries destined for Swiss.


It was flown for the first time on 2016-11-05. I think was Sylvain meant is that it will be delivered to Swiss on Friday.

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... view#gid=0

Thanks dash, makes much more sense. So after this one that leaves one left to deliver this year if they keep on track correct?


After that one Swiss will have 4x CS100 and Baltic x1 CS300. There are still two units to be delivered for BDD to meet its latest goal. I know 2x Swiss CS100 and 1x Baltic CS300 are complete with engines and are at various stage of interior fitting and system testing, then its the paint job and flight tests. Hopefully 2 will make it by December 31st.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:00 am

Dash9 wrote:
nikeson13 wrote:
MSN 50014, will roll out this Friday according to Sylvain. 5th CSeries destined for Swiss.


It was flown for the first time on 2016-11-05. I think was Sylvain meant is that it will be delivered to Swiss on Friday.


Impossible, as Swiss didn't even receive the 4th aircraft. I think Sylvain meant 50013.

ikolkyo wrote:
So what's going on with the 4th aircraft? Still waiting on blades?


Sylvain made a typo, the 4th (50013) is due for delivery in the coming days.

See https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 8620495872

nikeson13 wrote:
Thanks dash, makes much more sense. So after this one that leaves one left to deliver this year if they keep on track correct?


Latest plan was to deliver 7 CSeries aircraft this year (5x CS100, 2x CS300), 1 CS300 delivery slipped into 2017.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:24 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Dash9 wrote:
nikeson13 wrote:
MSN 50014, will roll out this Friday according to Sylvain. 5th CSeries destined for Swiss.


It was flown for the first time on 2016-11-05. I think was Sylvain meant is that it will be delivered to Swiss on Friday.


Impossible, as Swiss didn't even receive the 4th aircraft. I think Sylvain meant 50013.

ikolkyo wrote:
So what's going on with the 4th aircraft? Still waiting on blades?


Sylvain made a typo, the 4th (50013) is due for delivery in the coming days.

See https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 8620495872

nikeson13 wrote:
Thanks dash, makes much more sense. So after this one that leaves one left to deliver this year if they keep on track correct?


Latest plan was to deliver 7 CSeries aircraft this year (5x CS100, 2x CS300), 1 CS300 delivery slipped into 2017.


How is it impossible? 50013 has already flown (pre-delivery) and is being delivered soon. That will be the 4th to Swiss.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:27 pm

It was said 50014 (the 5th) would be delivered on Friday. That's not gonna happen.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:54 pm

I presume that the 4th is going to be delivered to LX within the next few days and that the 5th will be rolled out tomorrow, so the delivery will happen early next year. Does that sound right?
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:00 pm

rbrunner wrote:
I presume that the 4th is going to be delivered to LX within the next few days and that the 5th will be rolled out tomorrow, so the delivery will happen early next year. Does that sound right?


Why would a 2016 delivery for the 5th one not be possible ?
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:10 pm

runway23 wrote:
rbrunner wrote:
I presume that the 4th is going to be delivered to LX within the next few days and that the 5th will be rolled out tomorrow, so the delivery will happen early next year. Does that sound right?


Why would a 2016 delivery for the 5th one not be possible ?

I know that the time gap between rollout and delivery can vary, but ground tests and flight test take some time (a bit longer if the frame goes to AAB :roll: )
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:06 am

What is 1st KAL's CS300 MSN? 55006 or 55009?
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:19 am

It's 55006 according to the ATDB.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:08 am

Will KAL be the third customer to receive a CSeries jet? Who will be the third customer, and when will delivery be expected?
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:57 am

Quantos wrote:
lightsaber wrote:

Now for the promised orders.


Rumored orders!


Well Bombardier hinted at two new orders before the end of the year.

The first new order is in the pocket:

Air Tanzania announces CSeries order
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:58 am

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Will KAL be the third customer to receive a CSeries jet? Who will be the third customer, and when will delivery be expected?


Based on the current production list I'd say KAL will be the 3rd CSeries operator.
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:38 pm

Any news regarding delivery of LX#4? (HB-JBD to be)?
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:25 pm

Pretty sure first flight for MSN 50014, 5th frame destined for Swiss aloft right now http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BBA514. Second flight scheduled later today. No news on MSN 50013, HB-JBD, 4th frame for LX, was supposed to be delivered 12/2 (Friday) then 12/5 (Monday) but no record of any flight or delivery.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:20 pm

BBD confirmed Korean as 3rd operator starting mid 2017
http://atwonline.com/airframes/korean-a ... -300s-2017

Considering they still expect to deliver 35 Cseries next year, by mid year they should be somewhere between 12 and 15 by mid year
http://atwonline.com/manufacturers/bomb ... r-expected

That means the next 14-17 units (+2 till year end) are all going to Swiss and Baltic? These two are taking all the frames that BBD (and PW) can get out of the FAL.

AFAIK other programs from A and B had a more diverse user base early in their new programs. Not sure if this mean anything?

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Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:15 am

Regarding the Korean Air deliveries:

Seoul-based Korean Air expects to take delivery of seven Bombardier CSeries 300s next year, becoming the first operator of the type in Asia, Bombardier VP-CSeries aircraft program Robert Dewar told ATW at last week’s airBaltic CS300 unveiling.

“There are already Korean Air employees in Montreal, Mirabel, on the production side. Deliveries could happen from mid-2017 onward,” Dewar said.


http://atwonline.com/airframes/korean-a ... -300s-2017

Dash9 wrote:
BBD confirmed Korean as 3rd operator starting mid 2017
http://atwonline.com/airframes/korean-a ... -300s-2017

Considering they still expect to deliver 35 Cseries next year, by mid year they should be somewhere between 12 and 15 by mid year
http://atwonline.com/manufacturers/bomb ... r-expected

That means the next 14-17 units (+2 till year end) are all going to Swiss and Baltic? These two are taking all the frames that BBD (and PW) can get out of the FAL.

AFAIK other programs from A and B had a more diverse user base early in their new programs. Not sure if this mean anything?

-Dash9


Perhaps the bulk of the deliveries will happen in H2 2017?
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:39 pm

So by mid year KAL will be the third airline receiving CSeries jets. Any other airline, besides KAL, Swiss and Baltic receiving jets in 2017?
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:53 am

HB-JBD delivered:

Bombardier CS 100 50013 HB-JBD Swiss International delivery 08dec16 YMX-ZRH
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:54 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
HB-JBD delivered:

Bombardier CS 100 50013 HB-JBD Swiss International delivery 08dec16 YMX-ZRH

She hasn't flown home yet, has she?
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:26 pm

HB-JBD is flying right now between Greenland and Iceland, as LX5201, towards ZRH.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:20 pm

Dash9 wrote:
AFAIK other programs from A and B had a more diverse user base early in their new programs. Not sure if this mean anything?

-Dash9


They also had a more diverse and much larger order book and most of the customers clamoring to get the plane in service quickly. I'd say the difference is at least partially that CSeries customers are more willing to and in a better position with flexible fleet plans to patiently wait and let other airlines work out any early service bugs, which is nothing new for the program.

The upshot is that the performance so far may mean Swiss and Air Baltic's willingness to take the risk early deliveries mean they get to reap the benefits earlier. Let's hope this continues.
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:10 pm

According to a Swiss flight forum, CS100 HB-JBD already commences commercial operations today Dec10 - she flies her first turnaround flights to Rome and Vienna.

http://www.flightforum.ch/board/index.php?/topic/97179-swiss-c-series/page-10

That was fast!:)
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:15 pm

30th wings set and cockpit delivered to the FAL

https://twitter.com/TheWoracle/status/8 ... 6617305088

huh! we can't embedded Twitter post ?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:46 am

I guess KAL CS300 Registration Number,
It will be granted HL8091~HL8098 for 2017 Delivery Aircraft
Do you know Registration Number?
Also, Please update KAL CS300 Construction Number...
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Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:21 am

Do you have any update for Final Assembly Line?
KAL CS300 is using for Korea Domestic, and From Korea Religion to Another Counrty.
Also, I have some question.
What is KAL CS300's exact construction number..
Do you know next KAL CS300's construction number?
Please, answer to me!!
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Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:19 pm

there's no info yet on KAL's exact c/n. I guess we'll know it as soon as somebody spots a KAL CS300 in YMX, which is not to happen for at least 5 more months IMHO.
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Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:20 pm

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there's no info yet on KAL's exact c/n. I guess we'll know it as soon as somebody spots a KAL CS300 in YMX, which is not to happen for at least 5 more months IMHO.


First KAL c/n is 55006.
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Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:31 pm

According to Air Transport Word Online Swiss will be the second operator of the CS300 not KAL
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:53 pm

Swiss' 5th CS100 has been delivered and is now on its way to ZRH.

https://www.flightradar24.com/SWR5201/c0809d6

This was the final CSeries delivery for the year.
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Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:48 pm

Flying directly to Zurich.

KarelXWB wrote:
Swiss' 5th CS100 has been delivered and is now on its way to ZRH.

https://www.flightradar24.com/SWR5201/c0809d6

This was the final CSeries delivery for the year.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:48 pm

Of the 6 C Series delivered to both Swiss and Baltic, 5 currently show up on Flightradar24 as either in flight or ready to depart, very cool.
 
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baje427 wrote:
Flying directly to Zurich.


That's amazing
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:52 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Paolo92 wrote:
there's no info yet on KAL's exact c/n. I guess we'll know it as soon as somebody spots a KAL CS300 in YMX, which is not to happen for at least 5 more months IMHO.


First KAL c/n is 55006.

That's just a supposition: Sylvain Faus originally revealed KAL to be the next carrier to receive the CS300, hence me and Quantos put that as 55006 on his spreadsheet. Several sources picked that up (e.g. planespotters, ATDB, abcdlist, etc) though there's no confirmation from the FAL. (noone saw 55006 actually sporting a KAL label or anything at all actually)
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Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos