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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:11 pm

Why is Bombardier so slow at delivering vehicles?

There is a scandal going on in Toronto with regards to Bombardier street-cars that were supposed to have about 3 times as many delivered as we have so far in the last three years.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:18 pm

maxudaskin wrote:
Why is Bombardier so slow at delivering vehicles?

There is a scandal going on in Toronto with regards to Bombardier street-cars that were supposed to have about 3 times as many delivered as we have so far in the last three years.

The can't get enough engines fast enough. The PW1000G is underperforming in terms of production rate which then makes the CSeries production rate lower than planned.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:41 pm

What they have been good at, so far, is having aircraft ready to work reliably, once they've been delivered. Post EIS performance has been pretty much flawless...thank goodness.

I was just looking back at the videos for Air Baltic's first plane. Man...those guys really know how to throw a party.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:37 am

A nice surprise: airBaltic received its second CS300 aircraft just before the end of the year.

Bombardier CS 300 55004 YL-CSB Air Baltic delivery 30dec16 YMX-RIX


Delivery was supposed to happen in January.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:49 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
A nice surprise: airBaltic received its second CS300 aircraft just before the end of the year.

Bombardier CS 300 55004 YL-CSB Air Baltic delivery 30dec16 YMX-RIX


Delivery was supposed to happen in January.


Then BBD wasn't lying, they said they would deliver 7 CSeries aircraft in 2016. and they did. Sounds promising for 2017.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:31 pm

How satisfied has AirBaltic been with its first CS300 so far?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:11 pm

Departing as scheduled.
YL-CSA has been diverted 2 times because of fog (pilot qualification according ILS Cat II or Cat III approaches?)

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/yl-csa/#
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:04 am

What I find amazing is how fast the CS can commence commercial operations - like at SWISS: 2 days after arriving nonstop from Bombardier at Montréal, HB-JBD was allready in regular service for 6 legs.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:26 pm

JulietteBravo wrote:
What I find amazing is how fast the CS can commence commercial operations - like at SWISS: 2 days after arriving nonstop from Bombardier at Montréal, HB-JBD was allready in regular service for 6 legs.


You may have spoken prematurely on HB-JBE first revenue flight;
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... e/#c0e2dae
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:41 pm

Haha - absolutly, that was prematurely spoken. And maybe that EIS of HB-JBE was a bit premature as well ;)
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:32 pm

JulietteBravo wrote:
What I find amazing is how fast the CS can commence commercial operations - like at SWISS: 2 days after arriving nonstop from Bombardier at Montréal, HB-JBD was allready in regular service for 6 legs.


Same story with ET and the 787, I think they even did a 1 day turn around with one of the terrible teens.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:11 pm

What ever the problem was with HB-JBE, seems to have been quickly resolved. It is descending into BRU enroute from ZRH. It's good to see it flying again.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:55 am

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What ever the problem was with HB-JBE, seems to have been quickly resolved. It is descending into BRU enroute from ZRH. It's good to see it flying again.


Yes it is flying again. Assuming Swiss does 6 flights per day for each aircraft, a total of 10 segments might have been missed.

Also noted that HB-JBD has not flown on either the 2nd or 3rd (missing 12 segments?) and last showed in ZRH. Is it having problems also or has it made its trip to PUY for checks as HB-JBA/B/C did? It didn't show re-positioning to PUY and the other 3 were in fleet longer before making this trip. 22 flights of a possible 150 for the fleet may have been missed in the first 3 days of 2017.
 
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Re: RE: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 5)

Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:08 am

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Assuming that this is a firm order, the total of orders would be at 253 frames. The rest are 152 options and 17 purchase rights associated to those firm orders, 88 commitments, 40 optional commitments and 6 purchase rights commitments, for a total of 556.


What is the difference between "purchase right" and "purchase right commitment"? And what is an "optional commitment"?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:21 pm

SWISS to take at least 12 CSeries in 2017:

http://atwonline.com/airframes/swiss-ta ... eries-2017
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:57 pm

SWISS spokesperson Karin Müller told ATW in Zurich, “We don’t have a detailed statistic so far, but generally speaking, we are very satisfied with the performance and dispatch reliability of our CS100s,”

I think that is probably the best simple language endorsement so far!
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:29 pm

How satisfied has airBaltic been with its CS300 so far?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:25 am

Do you have KAL CS300 update?
I want see Bombardier CS Series FAL... Can I see some picture?
What is KAL CS300 MSN 55006 or 55009?
Korean Air Crew said "Some KAL Crew already went to Bobardier Factory"
Also, When is Roll-Out? When is First Flight?
Please, clear the my question..
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:40 pm

Swiss' first CS300 should go into revenue service in October.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 2970317825

SWISS plans Bombardier CSeries CS300 first revenue flight on 09OCT17
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:30 pm

In 2017, KAL delivery 9 aircraft for CS300. June, July, August, September, October, October, Novermber, December, December.
Also, KAL 1st, 2nd, 3rd aircraft is selection registration number 1st is HL8091, 2nd is HL8092, 3rd is HL8093
In 2018, KAL delivery 1 aircraft for CS300. It will be delivery at February.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:51 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Swiss' first CS300 should go into revenue service in October.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 2970317825

SWISS plans Bombardier CSeries CS300 first revenue flight on 09OCT17


I think that is LX being conservative. All announcements they have made have pointed towards Q2 and CS300s based in GVA. I suppose the schedules ex-GVA have not been updated to reflect the switch to CS300s before they have an exact delivery schedule.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:57 pm

Who will be the next new customer to receive CSeries jets after KAL?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:50 am

runway23 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Swiss' first CS300 should go into revenue service in October.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 2970317825

SWISS plans Bombardier CSeries CS300 first revenue flight on 09OCT17


I think that is LX being conservative. All announcements they have made have pointed towards Q2 and CS300s based in GVA. I suppose the schedules ex-GVA have not been updated to reflect the switch to CS300s before they have an exact delivery schedule.


There has been an article in the NZZ that they are basing their first 7!! CS300 in Geneva (plus one CS100). (in german: http://www.nzz.ch/mobilitaet/auto-mobil ... -ld.135024). And also more recently they announced to take at least one CSeries per month and there are only 5 more CS100 left of the first batch of 10 (after that there are 15 CS300 with the last 5 still undecided). And also announced to take the first CS300 in Q2. We don't really expect them to take months for EIS ;)
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:09 am

Jetsouth wrote:
Who will be the next new customer to receive CSeries jets after KAL?


When do Baltia take delivery of their CS100s? They were signed up as CS100 launch customer before backing off due to concerns from the delayed development.
Would 50006-50009 belong to them?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:16 am

I have a question; Weren't we on par 12 of this series? How did we get going on a thread that was started 3 years ago?
What the...?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:32 am

yyztpa wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
Who will be the next new customer to receive CSeries jets after KAL?


When do Baltia take delivery of their CS100s? They were signed up as CS100 launch customer before backing off due to concerns from the delayed development.
Would 50006-50009 belong to them?


Are you referring to Braathens (BRA)?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:56 am

JoeCanuck wrote:
I have a question; Weren't we on par 12 of this series? How did we get going on a thread that was started 3 years ago?

Huh. That is strange, indeed! Did the new site somehow amalgamate many smaller "part" threads into larger ones? Curiously, I can find Part 12, but Parts 3-11 seem to be non-existent now. This has the distinct feeling of another a.net "improvement."

If you're curious to see: here's the link for Part 12: viewtopic.php?t=602573
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:12 am

Peeter wrote:
yyztpa wrote:


When do Baltia take delivery of their CS100s? They were signed up as CS100 launch customer before backing off due to concerns from the delayed development.
Would 50006-50009 belong to them?


Are you referring to Braathens (BRA)?


Yes, mixed up the names

aerolimani wrote:
JoeCanuck wrote:
I have a question; Weren't we on par 12 of this series? How did we get going on a thread that was started 3 years ago?

Huh. That is strange, indeed! The last posts in that thread are from 10 months ago. If you look back at the same time frame in this thread (Part 2), there's posts there from the same people, but nothing duplicate that I could see. What's more strange is that there's continuous posts in that thread, leading up to the present. So, what was happening in Parts 3-11?

If anyone wants to break free of this 28-page Part 2, here's the link for Part 12: viewtopic.php?t=602573


I noticed last week that early series such as 1-6 were merged under a new '1' while the later series were merged in a new '2'
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:23 am

yyztpa wrote:
I noticed last week that early series such as 1-6 were merged under a new '1' while the later series were merged in a new '2'

Unfortunately, the old Part 12 seems to have been left out, unless I'm mistaken. I suppose we shouldn't start posting there. Rather, whoever is merging the parts should probably look at incorporating the old Part 12 into this new Part 2. I'll make a post about this in Site Related.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:47 am

yyztpa wrote:
Peeter wrote:
yyztpa wrote:


When do Baltia take delivery of their CS100s? They were signed up as CS100 launch customer before backing off due to concerns from the delayed development.
Would 50006-50009 belong to them?


Are you referring to Braathens (BRA)?


Yes, mixed up the names


They'll get their 1st in 2018.
http://www.svd.se/press-pa-bombardier-- ... on-drabbas (in Swedish - google translate quoted below)
Malmö Aviation has ordered ten planes and expects to receive the first six in the 2018th


Indeed 50007 thru 9 could be for them but they appear stored as of now.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:10 pm

50007, 50008 and 50009 were not built. 50006 was the first production standard aircraft but this has not been delivered yet. The first CS100 delivered to Swiss was s/n 50010 and the first CS300 to airBaltic was s/n 55003.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:06 pm

petera380 wrote:
50007, 50008 and 50009 were not built. 50006 was the first production standard aircraft but this has not been delivered yet. The first CS100 delivered to Swiss was s/n 50010 and the first CS300 to airBaltic was s/n 55003.


Bombardier has a couple of CS100 in storage without engines. They are 50007, 50008 and 50009 (they can't be anything else).
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:56 am

Quantos wrote:
petera380 wrote:
50007, 50008 and 50009 were not built. 50006 was the first production standard aircraft but this has not been delivered yet. The first CS100 delivered to Swiss was s/n 50010 and the first CS300 to airBaltic was s/n 55003.


Bombardier has a couple of CS100 in storage without engines. They are 50007, 50008 and 50009 (they can't be anything else).

exactly. there's old photos of 50007, 8 and 9 in production at the FAL, then they got their test registrations and got stored.
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:22 am

Paolo92 wrote:
Quantos wrote:
petera380 wrote:
50007, 50008 and 50009 were not built. 50006 was the first production standard aircraft but this has not been delivered yet. The first CS100 delivered to Swiss was s/n 50010 and the first CS300 to airBaltic was s/n 55003.


Bombardier has a couple of CS100 in storage without engines. They are 50007, 50008 and 50009 (they can't be anything else).

exactly. there's old photos of 50007, 8 and 9 in production at the FAL, then they got their test registrations and got stored.



I stand corrected. Any idea what those test registrations were? Thanks.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:37 am

Indeed 50007, 50008 and 50009 do exist. They were probably built for a different customer (some speculate Malmo and PrivatAir), before Swiss became the launch operator. Then the original launch operator bailed out.

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Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:56 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Indeed 50007, 50008 and 50009 do exist. They were probably built for a different customer (some speculate Malmo and PrivatAir), before Swiss became the launch operator. Then the original launch operator bailed out.

Image


BTW, this is 55007, a CS300 under construction and not any of the stored CS100 ;)
 
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:50 pm

I believe this picture shows one of them:

ImageC-FPHB | Bombardier Aerospace | Bombardier CS100 by Jean-Philippe Richard, on Flickr
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:04 pm

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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:44 am

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How satisfied has airBaltic been with its CS300 so far?


They seem happy with it so far. The linked article does not say much except for a quote from Martin Gauss

http://atwonline.com/airframes/airbaltic-cs300-performance-exceeding-expectations
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:41 am

I'm hearing from more sources that Widerøe are looking at both C-Series and E-jet E2. With their half a century long relationship with first deHavilland Canada, and later Bombardier - I both think and hope they will select the C-Series.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:38 pm

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I believe this picture shows one of them:


Thanks, that's the one I meant. Here's another photo, showing two CSeries aircraft in storage.

Image
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:35 pm

Are the jets in storage earmarked for anyone?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:44 pm

Unfortunately, Wideroe chose Embraer:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/embraer-s ... 00614.html
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:56 pm

fbeaulie wrote:
Unfortunately, Wideroe chose Embraer:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/embraer-s ... 00614.html


Looking at their route map and current fleet the C-Series dosent look like that would have been the right aircraft for them anyways. It would have been overkill.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:32 am

Any idea when the next CS100 and CS300 will be delivered?

Bombardier has publicly stated that they plan on delivering between 30-35 CS100/CS300's this year, but I can't seem to find any information about the January deliveries. Hopefully they are still on track.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:55 am

I wonder how the Pratt fan blade situation is coming along. It's been pretty quiet on that front for a while.
What the...?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:28 am

https://www.facebook.com/16699009332221 ... 832909957/

Here is some footage of the CS100 doing a pre-run for the flyby for the Lauberhorn Ski Race. As far as I know they cancelled the 'official ' flyby due to weather.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:52 am

DUSZRH wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/166990093322210/videos/1404445832909957/

Here is some footage of the CS100 doing a pre-run for the flyby for the Lauberhorn Ski Race. As far as I know they cancelled the 'official ' flyby due to weather.

:hyper: LOVE IT!!!

I sure hope BBD paid a little money to film this properly. I realize that flashy videos probably aren't that important when trying to attract sales. But still… marketing to the general public is worth something, isn't it? Sigh…
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:35 pm

JoeCanuck wrote:
I wonder how the Pratt fan blade situation is coming along. It's been pretty quiet on that front for a while.


P&W also expects to resolve a parts shortage problem that crimped geared turbofan engine deliveries to Airbus and Bombardier last year. Of about 1,200 parts inside the engine, P&W is still concerned about the availability of six as the production ramp-up continues, Hayes says. In September, Hayes said one of the most critical parts shortages involves the engine’s unique, hybrid-metallic fan blades. But P&W remains on track to deliver between 350-400 engines this year, Hayes adds.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ty-433512/
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:21 pm

What's the latest on the Braathens order is confirmed ?

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