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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:13 am

And there's an order change: Swiss is converting its last 5 CS100 into CS300. This is according to their last financial statement. So in the end the will be operating 10 CS100 and 20 CS300.

https://www.swiss.com/CMSContent/corporate/EN/media/newsroom/financial-reports/Documents/20170316-media-release-SWISS-financial-report-Q4-2016.pdf
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:42 am

So is the limiting factor just the engines currently? Production is moving a long very slowly...
 
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Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:33 pm

dodoma wrote:
And there's an order change: Swiss is converting its last 5 CS100 into CS300. This is according to their last financial statement. So in the end the will be operating 10 CS100 and 20 CS300.

https://www.swiss.com/CMSContent/corporate/EN/media/newsroom/financial-reports/Documents/20170316-media-release-SWISS-financial-report-Q4-2016.pdf


Swiss' 7th CS100 first flew on Feb 26th and last on Mar 6th. When will it make it's flight to Zurich?
 
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Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:54 pm

dodoma wrote:
And there's an order change: Swiss is converting its last 5 CS100 into CS300. So in the end the will be operating 10 CS100 and 20 CS300.


Hmmmm. Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

On the one hand, the CS300 will undoubtedly have a higher price so more money to BBD, on the other does it mean the CS100 is harder to justify?
 
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Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:20 am

FTV2 has completed steep approach testing and is apparently ready for LCY validation. Unclear at this time when this will actually take place, though. FTV2 is adorned with slogan "the future of LCY":

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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:49 am

Some odd paint on that aircraft, wonder why they never bothered to paint the fuselage..
 
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Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:35 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Some odd paint on that aircraft, wonder why they never bothered to paint the fuselage..


Hopefully they paint it before heading over to England, give the media something nice to take pictures of
 
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Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:57 pm

I think it kinda looks better that way.

"Outta the road, no PR bull here, we're working."
 
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Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:24 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Some odd paint on that aircraft, wonder why they never bothered to paint the fuselage..


Costs about $100k, +/-, for a full coat of paint.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:18 am

Amiga500 wrote:
I think it kinda looks better that way.

"Outta the road, no PR bull here, we're working."


I also thought that ;)

LX' HB-JBA (first BCS a/c in commercial service) doesn't have any special text like "SWISS - First to fly Bombardier CSeries" on its livery neigther. Not sure - but could it be to prevent negative coverage "in case of" (e.g. social media)?

For me Bombardier produce a masterpiece. And the CS works and does her daily job remarkably reliable. Minor issues to solve.
(I m a cabin crew member on BCS at LX)
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:50 am

Amiga500 wrote:
dodoma wrote:
And there's an order change: Swiss is converting its last 5 CS100 into CS300. So in the end the will be operating 10 CS100 and 20 CS300.


Hmmmm. Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

On the one hand, the CS300 will undoubtedly have a higher price so more money to BBD, on the other does it mean the CS100 is harder to justify?



I am guessing they figured out that they only need 10 to service LCY. And then yes, the CS100 is sort of hard to justify when the marginal cost to go to CS300 is not that high and they gain 20 more pax with the same amount of crew. The probably only need to fill a fraction (3-5 seats I'm guessing) to justify the higher acquisition and ops cost.

Also, since launch operator, might as well make the most of launch pricing and get the most airplane for their dollars.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:02 am

JulietteBravo wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
I think it kinda looks better that way.

"Outta the road, no PR bull here, we're working."


I also thought that ;)

LX' HB-JBA (first BCS a/c in commercial service) doesn't have any special text like "SWISS - First to fly Bombardier CSeries" on its livery neigther. Not sure - but could it be to prevent negative coverage "in case of" (e.g. social media)?

For me Bombardier produce a masterpiece. And the CS works and does her daily job remarkably reliable. Minor issues to solve.
(I m a cabin crew member on BCS at LX)


That must be really interesting to be part of the team that is the launch operator. I am a big fan of the plane, so am always happy to hear good news when it comes to the program. Will hopefully get to try it out this summer when I am in Europe!
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:51 am

JulietteBravo wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
I think it kinda looks better that way.

"Outta the road, no PR bull here, we're working."


I also thought that ;)

LX' HB-JBA (first BCS a/c in commercial service) doesn't have any special text like "SWISS - First to fly Bombardier CSeries" on its livery neigther. Not sure - but could it be to prevent negative coverage "in case of" (e.g. social media)?

For me Bombardier produce a masterpiece. And the CS works and does her daily job remarkably reliable. Minor issues to solve.
(I m a cabin crew member on BCS at LX)

If I was the operator of an aerospace museum, I'd be clambering to get my hands on this one, once BBD is done with it. Nothing says flight test vehicle quite the way this one does, especially with the black paint leftover from the climatic testing. Of course, I realize it may only be glamorous to people that love aviation. For potential press photos at LCY, it would be nicer to have a more attractive aircraft. But, I suspect photo opp's are not BBD's most pressing concern at the moment.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:45 am

ytz wrote:
I am guessing they figured out that they only need 10 to service LCY. And then yes, the CS100 is sort of hard to justify when the marginal cost to go to CS300 is not that high and they gain 20 more pax with the same amount of crew. The probably only need to fill a fraction (3-5 seats I'm guessing) to justify the higher acquisition and ops cost.


5 frames would have been largely sufficient for LCY, they have 6x daily from ZRH (2 frames) and 3x daily from GVA (1 frame). LX were simply too far down the assembly line to change anything other than the first 10 CS100s. I'm sure if they had an unrestricted choice the number of CS100s would have probably been less than 10.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:28 am

runway23 wrote:
ytz wrote:
5 frames would have been largely sufficient for LCY, they have 6x daily from ZRH (2 frames) and 3x daily from GVA (1 frame). LX were simply too far down the assembly line to change anything other than the first 10 CS100s. I'm sure if they had an unrestricted choice the number of CS100s would have probably been less than 10.

If the 100s become that much of a "burden", feel free to pass along the excess to other members of the Lufthansa Group flying to LCY and I'm sure we can get to 10x 100s that are without such "burden"...
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:05 pm

Quantos wrote:
Unclear at this time when this will actually take place, though.


It seems validation flight testing will start today.

https://twitter.com/BBD_Aircraft/status ... 1705171969
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:44 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Quantos wrote:
Unclear at this time when this will actually take place, though.


It seems validation flight testing will start today.

https://twitter.com/BBD_Aircraft/status ... 1705171969


Already landed in LCY
https://twitter.com/AJBC_1/status/844526468902342657
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:41 pm

Is it just me, or does engine #2 (right side) front been modified? Is there a difference between the two engines or is it just the paint messing with my eyes?
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:52 pm

JulietteBravo wrote:

For me Bombardier produce a masterpiece. And the CS works and does her daily job remarkably reliable. Minor issues to solve.
(I m a cabin crew member on BCS at LX)


It'd be really cool to hear more from your perspective. There can't be more than 100 CS cabin crew anywhere in the world!
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:06 pm

Ground operations at LCY have started. Here are some nice photos:

https://twitter.com/BBD_Aircraft/status ... 2157611009
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:22 pm

nikeson13 wrote:
Is it just me, or does engine #2 (right side) front been modified? Is there a difference between the two engines or is it just the paint messing with my eyes?

I think is just the special paint that was applied to the nacelles for the icing testing from earlier in the program. To me this "unpainted" test bed is really cool, kind of showing off as the working class part of the crew....if that makes sense?
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:05 pm

runway23 wrote:
ytz wrote:
I am guessing they figured out that they only need 10 to service LCY. And then yes, the CS100 is sort of hard to justify when the marginal cost to go to CS300 is not that high and they gain 20 more pax with the same amount of crew. The probably only need to fill a fraction (3-5 seats I'm guessing) to justify the higher acquisition and ops cost.


5 frames would have been largely sufficient for LCY, they have 6x daily from ZRH (2 frames) and 3x daily from GVA (1 frame). LX were simply too far down the assembly line to change anything other than the first 10 CS100s. I'm sure if they had an unrestricted choice the number of CS100s would have probably been less than 10.


They could expand LCY services beyond GVA and ZRH, or pass around the rest of the aircraft to others in the LH group.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:21 pm

ytz wrote:
runway23 wrote:
ytz wrote:
I am guessing they figured out that they only need 10 to service LCY. And then yes, the CS100 is sort of hard to justify when the marginal cost to go to CS300 is not that high and they gain 20 more pax with the same amount of crew. The probably only need to fill a fraction (3-5 seats I'm guessing) to justify the higher acquisition and ops cost.


5 frames would have been largely sufficient for LCY, they have 6x daily from ZRH (2 frames) and 3x daily from GVA (1 frame). LX were simply too far down the assembly line to change anything other than the first 10 CS100s. I'm sure if they had an unrestricted choice the number of CS100s would have probably been less than 10.


They could expand LCY services beyond GVA and ZRH, or pass around the rest of the aircraft to others in the LH group.


Swiss is short on crew and aircraft, reason why Helvetic operate a fairly large number of flights on their behalf.

LH already have the E190 which operates to FRA, the other LH carriers seem happy enough to operate only to LHR rather than also doing LCY. LX has actually reduced service in the past years from LCY - GVA used to be 6x daily a few years ago (prior to the launch of LHR) and there was also BSL service.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:29 pm

There's twitter videos of the first landing at LCY

http://mobile.twitter.com/caromaltby/st ... 45/video/1

...and the take-off

http://mobile.twitter.com/caromaltby/st ... 27/video/1

Remarkably quiet!
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:04 pm

Flightglobal reports the LCY testing is complete, and they have a nice video of a steep approach in moderately windy conditions with a wet runway.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... at-435509/

Really a great day to do these tests.
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:15 pm

Why is the delivery of the 7th CS100 to SWISS taking so long? Been in flight testing for a month?
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:06 am

iamlucky13 wrote:
Flightglobal reports the LCY testing is complete, and they have a nice video of a steep approach in moderately windy conditions with a wet runway.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... at-435509/

Really a great day to do these tests.


Great to see! Thanks a lot for this interesting link and text, iamlucky13!
Anyone knows how long this certification takes?

LCY is a key airport for the CS1 as Dewar of Bombardier says. I d agree.
Even for Transatlantic Operations. (OT: I m dreaming of a Swiss ZRH-LCY-BOS/EWR/YUL service with CS btw :) )


@topic "Burden" of 10 CS1 in the LX fleet: Take off / Ldg performance of the CS1 is also important regarding several other airports of LX' network, e.g. Florence (Italy). Niche markets connections to Longhaul.
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:19 am

JulietteBravo wrote:
@topic "Burden" of 10 CS1 in the LX fleet: Take off / Ldg performance of the CS1 is also important regarding several other airports of LX' network, e.g. Florence (Italy). Niche markets connections to Longhaul.


Does CS100 suffer any TOW restrictions at Lugano? At Samedan?
I read about 123 000 pounds (out of 134 000 MTOW) for 6000 feet height and length, ISA+15 (a fine summer day with +18 at Samedan).
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:39 pm

chornedsnorkack wrote:
JulietteBravo wrote:
@topic "Burden" of 10 CS1 in the LX fleet: Take off / Ldg performance of the CS1 is also important regarding several other airports of LX' network, e.g. Florence (Italy). Niche markets connections to Longhaul.


Does CS100 suffer any TOW restrictions at Lugano? At Samedan?
I read about 123 000 pounds (out of 134 000 MTOW) for 6000 feet height and length, ISA+15 (a fine summer day with +18 at Samedan).


you're right

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Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:09 pm

It looks like FTV2 is completing a simulation of an LCY to NYC trip

https://www.flightradar24.com/BBA502/cd9250b
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:18 pm

yyztpa wrote:
It looks like FTV2 is completing a simulation of an LCY to NYC trip

https://www.flightradar24.com/BBA502/cd9250b


Was configured with similar payload of 40 business class seats, 8 more than BA's A318.

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Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:26 pm

And direct - no Shannon pit stop.
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:44 pm

BA should definitely go for it!
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Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:34 am

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And direct - no Shannon pit stop.


Indeed. A perfect demo flight for BA. And we had this rumor last month. It specifically said CS300, but I'm sure both variants can find plenty of use at IAG:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/busin ... 47950.html
 
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Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:55 pm

FTV2 took off fro JFK a few hours ago eastbound.
 
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Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:10 pm

On the ground in Wichita.
 
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Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:30 pm

About LCY performance:

"The adaptation for the airport has not degraded normal performance. CSeries performance is better than announced and brochure performance will soon see its second upgrade."

https://leehamnews.com/2017/03/27/cseri ... ification/
 
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Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:49 pm

queb wrote:
About LCY performance:

"The adaptation for the airport has not degraded normal performance. CSeries performance is better than announced and brochure performance will soon see its second upgrade."

https://leehamnews.com/2017/03/27/cseri ... ification/


Excellent news. I'm hoping BA/IAG will order the CSeries. That would be a serious vitamin injection for the programme.
 
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Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:02 pm

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Why is the delivery of the 7th CS100 to SWISS taking so long? Been in flight testing for a month?


I don't know, but the aircraft is currently flying again after not flying for a week or so. Current flight is nearly 4 hours long, so far.

https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/c-foyb
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:28 pm

Swiss first CS300 is out of the paint shop

https://twitter.com/FlySWISS/status/847 ... 65/photo/1
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:52 pm

Dash9 wrote:
Swiss first CS300 is out of the paint shop

https://twitter.com/FlySWISS/status/847 ... 65/photo/1


To be delivered in May.
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:55 am

AirBaltic's 3rd CS300 delivered according to Skyliner

CS 300 55005 YL-CSC Air Baltic delivery 31mar17 YMX-RIX ex C-FOWU
 
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:33 am

That marks 2 deliveries in Q1.
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:26 pm

Hello~ Everyone! I am Korean Aviation Spotter, N837MH.

I have a lot of attention for Delivery.

So, I want some news about Korean Air's CS300.

In 2017, Korean Air is delivery for 7th CS300 Aircraft. August, September, October, November, November, December, December.

By 2018, all aircraft will be delivery.

Thank you
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Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:13 pm

IIRC, HB-JBG (LX#7) is going to fly to its new home today, is that right?
 
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Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:49 pm

Looks like it:

Bombardier CS 100 50016 HB-JBG Swiss International delivery 03apr17 YMX-ZRH ex C-FOYB
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Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:58 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Looks like it:

Bombardier CS 100 50016 HB-JBG Swiss International delivery 03apr17 YMX-ZRH ex C-FOYB


Indeed. HG-JBG is in flight now. It's the tenth C Series delivery.
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Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:26 pm

Quantos wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Looks like it:

Bombardier CS 100 50016 HB-JBG Swiss International delivery 03apr17 YMX-ZRH ex C-FOYB


Indeed. HG-JBG is in flight now. It's the tenth C Series delivery.

Eight months after the first delivery each subsequent delivery is still post worthy.

When does delivery ramp so these are non events? With 3 ytd, is 30-35 still a realistic goal for 2017?
 
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Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:03 pm

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When does delivery ramp so these are non events? With 3 ytd, is 30-35 still a realistic goal for 2017?


Compared with the A350 at the same time in 2016, it is actually a "smaller" ramp up. Airbus had delivered 4 A350s in Q1, and ended with 49 at year end
 
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Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:02 pm

Does anyone know which is the next airline that will receive the CSeries jet after SWISS, airBaltic and Korean?

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