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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:44 pm

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 51):
With that being said the 717's in their stable have an average age of around 12/13 years now. Once the C100/300 move into EIS it would be about the right time for an airline such as DL to start shopping for a new replacement.

Agreed. But first DL will have the large MD-80 fleet to replace. They are 4 to 5 years out on that decision, but it is a decision that shall come down.

Bombardier's delays have cost them potential customers, but there are still plenty out there. I am 'resizing' my estimate to 2,000 to 4,000 planes over 20 years (reduced the lower number) to be split between the C-series and E2-195. so far less market then if the plane had been on time (it would have nearly locked out the E2-195 from the market, which is *not* the case now).

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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:16 pm

Nice photo of FTV7:


Bombardier CSeries First CS300 - FTV7 by Sylvain Faust, on Flickr
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Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:23 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 53):

Nice looking bird
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:05 pm

Just on CSeries.com, FTV5 has been handed over to the flight test department!  
http://cseries.com/star-picture-ftv5-handover/

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Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:24 pm

That CS300 really is a beautiful machine!
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:51 am

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 51):
When BBD rolls out the C500 it will further cement their place as a mainline airline producer.

I read that similar to this: "When FD rolls out the FD928....." - in other words, that sounds a bit optimistic at this stage, though I'd think it'd be the salvation of the program if they can manage to hang on that long.

Quoting atct (Reply 56):
That CS300 really is a beautiful machine!

Absolutely.

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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:37 pm

Bombardier on Twitter just said the CSeries passed the 1000hr mark!  http://twitter.com/bombardier_aero/status/568158683819061248

Also "#CS300FirstFlight.... soon, just wait and see"
 
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Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:45 pm

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Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:06 pm

From Bombardier's Twitter account: The flight test program has now surpassed 1,000 hours. They have also started to tease about the first flight of the CS300 so I wouldn't be surprised if we see first flight with-in the next week.
 
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Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 54):
Nice looking bird

As cool as this machine is, and as much as it looks better than it's stubby sibling, I just can't come to like the look of the C Series. I don't know why, but I assume it has something to do with the boxier and more defined lines, as they are not smooth and blended as on the 787, A350, and A320neo
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:51 pm

New video on CS300 is up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtYkx_Vi7lY







[Edited 2015-02-19 15:53:26]
 
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Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:24 pm

FTV3 is on its way to Hutchinson, Kansas at the moment (Feb 20). What is there? Doesn't look like a heck of a lot from what I can tell. Any ideas?
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Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:20 pm

CS300 first flight targeted for 26-28 February
http://twitter.com/bombardier_aero/status/568158683819061248
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:11 pm

Sylvain Faust says CS300 first flight will be between 9:00am-10am on Thursday, February 26. Exciting!!!

http://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status/570322578696503296
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:04 pm

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 59):
A bit more news on the more positive side:

Depending on your time scale...

Quote:
The head of the country's largest airline said the CSeries will definitely be in the running when Air Canada replaces its remaining 90-seat Embraer 190s single-aisle planes after 2020.

And even if in +5 years AC would order BBD, AC would probably be signing the deal in Shanghai...  
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Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:15 pm




Postponed due to weather...  

[Edited 2015-02-25 12:15:30]
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:54 pm

FTV2 is partly in black.


Bombardier CSeries CS100 C-GWYD FTV2 by Jon Ostrower, on Flickr
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:14 pm

Intriguing the black is.... start of a new BBD corporate look?
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:04 am

Quoting planemaker (Reply 66):
And even if in +5 years AC would order BBD, AC would probably be signing the deal in Shanghai...

You honestly believe the two governments would allow Commercial Aircraft be sold to the Chinese? I realize that is probably what BBD want, but even if the Chinese are interested (which they have no interest in BBD in any form or matter aside from a few scraps), it would not be allowed.
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Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:11 am

Quoting Tangowhisky (Reply 70):

He is obviously trolling. Please don't feed him.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:45 am

Quoting golfradio (Reply 71):
Please don't feed him.

My,my, someone sure is sensitive.  

And it wan't even my idea... the idea has been bandied about in the trade rags for a while now.  
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:07 am

Quoting planemaker (Reply 72):
the idea has been bandied about in the trade rags for a while now.

The media and investment analysts are not deep thinkers and lack sufficient level of knowledge. They say things to remain relevant from their hips. I am not taking an opposite view in saying things are rosy at BBD. But they don't see that Chinese already know how to build planes. Its just that they want to build widebodies, something BBD does not know how. Commercial Aircraft have no value to the Chinese. I could be wrong, but that is the way I see it. The Transportation division also has no value to the Chinese as they got all the technology transfer over the years. Now the Chinese are bidding outside of China for rail projects. The only thing they might be interested in is the Business aircraft division, but that is the family jewel of the BBD Dynasty.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:37 am

Quoting Tangowhisky (Reply 73):
The media and investment analysts are not deep thinkers and lack sufficient level of knowledge.

These are people in the industry saying it... not the "media" or "investment analysts". Furthermore, I had a   at the end of the statement. But that was not the point of my post... the point I made flew right over everyone's head: AC is talking about +5 years.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:55 am

Quoting golfradio (Reply 71):
He is obviously trolling. Please don't feed him.

More to the point, this is supposed to be a flight testing and production thread. Perhaps a new CSeries General Discussion thread could be started again? Back when the previous general discussion thread was operating, I enjoyed the peace and quiet on this thread.

So, staying on topic, this appeared from Reuters today: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...dier-cseries-idUSL1N0W101520150227

According to the Reuters article, first CS300 flight is confirmed for Friday, February 27. I'm hoping it will happen this time. 
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:00 pm

Quoting aerolimani (Reply 75):
According to the Reuters article, first CS300 flight is confirmed for Friday, February 27. I'm hoping it will happen this time. 

They have confirmed it:

http://twitter.com/Bombardier_Aero/status/571273677934891008
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:01 pm

First flight of the CS300 can be covered here:

CS300 First Flight Today ANY Updates? (by Sooner787 Feb 25 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:58 pm

Quoting planemaker (Reply 14):
While they would be the logical first operator, LH has repeatedly stated that they will not be the first.

According to this tweet, it is Swiss:

http://twitter.com/e_russell/status/571373438306295808
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting marktci (Reply 78):
According to this tweet, it is Swiss:

He tweeted an update a couple of hours later:

Quote:
UPDATE: Swiss now says they are "among" 1st operators of the CS100, stepping back from earlier comments
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:06 pm

Thanks. Didn't see the update.
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:47 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 68):
FTV2 is partly in black.

Apparently this black coat is for the upcoming natural ice test campaign.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:58 am

Swiss needs the frames desperately, the phase out of the Avro Rj's has already started. Wouldn't be surprised if LX will be the first to operate, and perhaps even order more(LH group) at a nice discount for being first operator.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:00 am

Bombardier published a slide about the ongoing test campaigns:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/30i8cns.jpg
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:58 am

What is the latest status of the first production frames? Are they already on the FAL?
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:21 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 84):
What is the latest status of the first production frames? Are they already on the FAL?

The first two should be in the FAL

Quoting Quantos (Reply 16):
I made this one quickly, based on the 787 one. I'm fairly sure that's up to date: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...aring

Jon Ostrower also reports that FTV5 First Flight Window is 10-31 March
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:03 pm

Quoting starbucks (Reply 85):
The first two should be in the FAL

Yep, and the second CS300 (FTV8)
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:33 pm

Quoting DALCE (Reply 84):
What is the latest status of the first production frames? Are they already on the FAL?

Here's MSN 50007 on February 6:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/5pldg3.jpg
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:49 am

Quoting starbucks (Reply 58):
Bombardier on Twitter just said the CSeries passed the 1000hr mark!

I'm more excited about this than the first flight of the CS300. Oh, I think the CS300 will be the better seller, but best to get examples out into the fleet.

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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:42 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):

Have to say, that's a great looking interior!

The seats look extremely comfortable and I love that Bombardier went with downward overhead bins. One thing that got me curious though is the space above the tray table at every seat; is it a specially crafted space to mount tablets?
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:34 am

Quoting MavyWavyATR (Reply 90):
One thing that got me curious though is the space above the tray table at every seat; is it a specially crafted space to mount tablets?

Looks to me like the "seat pocket" for inflight magazine & safety card.
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Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:43 am

Quoting MavyWavyATR (Reply 90):

It's the new style seat where the pocket is behind the tray/screen to increase knee room. Some don't like the loss of some pocket space but I find that the extra knee room is well worth the sacrifice.
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Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:49 pm

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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:00 pm

On the flight deck seats, there is a center cutaway presumably for a yoke, but this has side sticks, is this just a design feature found on most, or all flight deck seats to offer more leg support for long sitting times?
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:19 pm

Hey all,

Got to poke around the CS100 flight deck last week, really struck by how much a leap in technology beyond 737 and A320 it really is. You can also see the influence of both philosophies, sidestick, autothrottle, etc.

Bombardier CSeries CS100 C-GWXZ FTV5 by Jon Ostrower, on Flickr

Here it is from as many angles as I could get my lens on.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:26 pm

Nice ergonomics!

Quoting airnorth (Reply 94):
there is a center cutaway presumably for a yoke, but this has side sticks, is this just a design feature found on most, or all flight deck seats to offer more leg support for long sitting times?

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Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:46 am

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 96):

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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:13 pm

The CS300 aircraft is airborne on its second flight.

http://fr24.com/BBA507/5a962ab
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:29 pm

Quoting airnorth (Reply 94):

They are probably using the same seats from the CRJ or another yoke aircraft.
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:22 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 92):
It's the new style seat where the pocket is behind the tray/screen to increase knee room. Some don't like the loss of some pocket space but I find that the extra knee room is well worth the sacrifice.


Okay… edited because couldn't get the image to appear for some reason. Anyhow… I'm referring to the image with the test station in the cabin. http://flic.kr/p/r76XEi

I think this space at the top is for passenger use such as a tablet, and not for the safety card, etc. On the left in this photo, you can see the whole back of a seat, and one can see a mesh pocket at the bottom, in the usual place.

[Edited 2015-03-03 09:28:11]
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part7)

Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:59 pm

Quoting aerolimani (Reply 100):
Okay… edited because couldn't get the image to appear for some reason. Anyhow… I'm referring to the image with the test station in the cabin. http://flic.kr/p/r76XEi

That is indeed the place for magazines and safety cards, it has been adopted as standard by Lufthansa in their short haul slim seat cabin.
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