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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:35 am

Quoting dash9 (Reply 34):
I also wonder when it will get European certification

Very pertinent point!!! Does anybody know?
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:04 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 31):
Will SWISS take several CS100 aircraft at once or will they receive one at a time for months? There must be several ready and waiting by now...

No. The first LX aircraft hasn't even been rolled out yet. See Reply 22.
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:15 pm

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 22):
News from the production line as well: msn 50010 is reportedly the first CS100 for Swiss (to become HB-JBA) and should be rolled out for the annual shareholder meeting on April 29.

What is the status of production numbers 50007, 50008, and 50009 and who has these?
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:54 am

Quoting dash9 (Reply 34):

I also wonder when it will get European certification which is a prerequisite to the inaugural flight!

From what I recall it was scheduled to be completed in May.
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:30 pm

Rumor is that 50006, production aircraft 1 that has been used for route proving, was in the paint hangar today for an "addition" that could be related to announcements due tomorrow or friday at the shareholders event and CSeries plant visit.


Quoting yyztpa (Reply 37):
What is the status of production numbers 50007, 50008, and 50009 and who has these?

I think they should be for Malmo and PrivatAir, although they didn't want to be launch operators, so they may be waiting there before being eventually delivered in the third/fourth quarter.
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:14 am

As a shareholder I have visited the Cseries and CRJ FAL today. Pictures were not allowed but I managed to note a few things... Here's the status on the CS birds to the best of my knowledge:

CS100:
MSN50001 thru 50005 are FTVs, 50006 is P1. All have flown. This we knew.
50007 and 50008 were nowhere to be seen, so probably being fitted with interior or at the paint shop. AFAIK there are not assigned to any customer yet (anyone knows why?)
50009 was fully assembled (with wings, empennage, standing on their gear, etc.) but without engines. Apparently all systems installed as it was on display in the CRJ FAL where the shareholder meeting was hosted, not in the CS FAL. Not assigned neither.
50010 thru 50012 are assigned to Swiss. They where nowhere to be seen so they are either being fitted with interiors, at the paint shop or handed over to flight test.
50013 thru 50015 were in the forward and middle stations. Structurally complete, no engines. Systems being installed. Also assigned to Swiss.

CS300:
MSN55001 and 55002 are flying FTVs, this we also knew. Shareholders were invited to tour the cabin of 55002, have a look at the cockpit (but can't get in), try the seats, bins, lavatory, etc. The orange flight test module was still present and on display. That was cool.
As we know 55003 is assigned to Air Baltic. BBD posted an update video a few days ago with Air Baltic CEO touring the FAL and having a picture in front of it. It is structurally complete and having systems installed.
55004 and 55005 are also assigned to Baltic as they had big stickers showing it. They are early in the FAL at the fuselage mating sections.


I don't remember who maintains this production list for the CSeries but it is by far the most precise and accurate available on internet. I seem to recall he's one of ours on a.net. Anyway, if you recognize yourself, you could update a few items in it with the info above.

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...jjyuEVPnwoctDkl6fFr6hTc/edit#gid=0


Hope this help!

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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:19 am

Quoting dash9 (Reply 40):

It was rumored that the first LX CS100(HB-JBA) including painting would be demonstrated. Any sign of her?
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:22 am

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 41):
It was rumored that the first LX CS100(HB-JBA) including painting would be demonstrated. Any sign of her?

Nope, no mention of it, couldn't be seen. Security was very tight and we could only go along a pre-determined path. That being said MSN50010 was denifitely not in the FAL as we could tour it in both axes and see each bird in thre with their MSN id. It must have been in some of the individual hanger used for interior fitting or paint, or on the ramp on the other side of the FAL which we could not see.

-Dash9

edit - fix MSN #

[Edited 2016-04-29 19:59:23]
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:07 am

Nice. So 7 production CS100s are almost complete, 3 production CS100s are in the advanced assembly, and 1 production CS300 is in the advanced assembly.

3 Swiss near ready, 3 Swiss in advanced assembly, 1 airBaltic in advanced assembly, and 3 unknown customer aircraft near ready (well P1 is flying but not in any airline's config yet). The FAL is in a very promising state for the end of April with a target of delivering 15 to 20 aircraft this year. If the 10 CS100s and 1 CS300 are out in the next two months they could be on target for the high end of their projection if they don't have supply chain issues.
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:18 pm

Where are the seats and lavatories coming from?
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:26 pm

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 44):
Where are the seats and lavatories coming from?

I know what you are thinking. Yes, Zodiac is the supplier for seats and lavs.
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:51 pm

Quoting dash9 (Reply 40):

As a shareholder I have visited the Cseries and CRJ FAL today. Pictures were not allowed but I managed to note a few things... Here's the status on the CS birds to the best of my knowledge:

CS100:
MSN50001 thru 50005 are FTVs, 50006 is P1. All have flown. This we knew.
50007 and 50008 were nowhere to be seen, so probably being fitted with interior or at the paint shop. AFAIK there are not assigned to any customer yet (anyone knows why?)
50009 was fully assembled (with wings, empennage, standing on their gear, etc.) but without engines. Apparently all systems installed as it was on display in the CRJ FAL where the shareholder meeting was hosted, not in the CS FAL. Not assigned neither.
50010 thru 50012 are assigned to Swiss. They where nowhere to be seen so they are either being fitted with interiors, at the paint shop or handed over to flight test.
50013 thru 50015 were in the forward and middle stations. Structurally complete, no engines. Systems being installed. Also assigned to Swiss.

CS300:
MSN55001 and 55002 are flying FTVs, this we also knew. Shareholders were invited to tour the cabin of 55002, have a look at the cockpit (but can't get in), try the seats, bins, lavatory, etc. The orange flight test module was still present and on display. That was cool.
As we know 55003 is assigned to Air Baltic. BBD posted an update video a few days ago with Air Baltic CEO touring the FAL and having a picture in front of it. It is structurally complete and having systems installed.
55004 and 55005 are also assigned to Baltic as they had big stickers showing it. They are early in the FAL at the fuselage mating sections.


I don't remember who maintains this production list for the CSeries but it is by far the most precise and accurate available on internet. I seem to recall he's one of ours on a.net. Anyway, if you recognize yourself, you could update a few items in it with the info above.

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...jjyuEVPnwoctDkl6fFr6hTc/edit#gid=0


Hope this help!

-Dash9

The spreadsheet is updated now!
Quantos,

I maintain the Airbus A220 (formerly Bombardier C Series) Aircraft Status sheet: https://goo.gl/HZshto
Feel free to comment on the sheet with any improvement suggestions and data update requests! Thanks to Paolo92 for his advice!
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:13 pm

Quoting Quantos (Reply 46):
The spreadsheet is updated now!

Great job, I really like that spreadsheet. Will try and add comments with updates as they come in.

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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:36 pm

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 47):
The spreadsheet is updated now!

thank you. My contribution was a one off due to the FAL tour as I don't work nor have any contact at BBD. Hopefully someone else with insight will contribute

-Dash9
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Mon May 02, 2016 6:48 pm

Haven't seen this posted yet - interesting commentary re CSeries flight controls...

https://leehamnews.com/2016/04/29/bjorns-corner-c-series-flight-controls/
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 03, 2016 5:41 pm

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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu May 12, 2016 11:50 pm

Cseries program update:

http://youtu.be/XqDdWl6RqyQ
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 13, 2016 12:30 am

msn 50011 was first seen on flightradar yesterday evening, powered up in the hangar in Mirabel.
Test registration will be C-FPBD.

CSeries 2nd Swiss Airways (50011) Doing Avionics Testing, Progressing Well Toward Delivery about 3 to 4 Weeks After the First One (50010)
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 13, 2016 7:52 pm

According to PlaneSpotters.net the first CS100 for Swiss has test registration C-FPAI, still not appeared on flightradar24.

Sylvain Faust reports it is due for the paintshop in 2 days:


Interesting gallery from ATWonline from the FAL:
ATW Photo Gallery: Bombardier in final preparations for first CSeries delivery to SWISS
http://atwonline.com/site-files/atwonline.com/files/gallery_images/6-CSeries-KH.jpg?1463081040

[Edited 2016-05-13 12:53:55]
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 13, 2016 9:43 pm

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 53):
Interesting gallery from ATWonline from the FAL

The CS300 with airBaltic sticker seems to have only one pair of overwing exits - I have read several places that they would have two pairs and 148 seats. Perhaps they are introducing a premium cabin (and thus less seats) with the CS300...?
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat May 14, 2016 9:51 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 54):
The CS300 with airBaltic sticker seems to have only one pair of overwing exits - I have read several places that they would have two pairs and 148 seats. Perhaps they are introducing a premium cabin (and thus less seats) with the CS300...?

I indeed noticed this. They would need the extra over-wing exit in order to go above 145 seats. From this old article on AviationWeek, it mentions the airline planning to have some CS300 in Business/Economy configuration including lie-flat seats. Those would be used on longer services such as those in codeshare with EY to AUH.

Air Baltic Lays Out CS300 Network Plans

Quote:
“The beauty about the CSeries cabin is its flexibility to install premium seats and the aircraft has great range,” Gauss told Aviation Week at the International Air Transport Association’s (IATA) annual general meeting in Doha, Qatar. Air Baltic is studying several cabin configuration options for the aircraft. The airline has opted for the 160-seat, double over wing exit version of the CS300. Its European lay-out will be at 148 seats, while a team within Air Baltic is looking at two different versions for the medium and long haul operation: One would see six lie-flat business class seats and 105 in economy. The airline is also considering a twelve seat lie-flat business cabin that would reduce economy capacity to 95 seats.

On a side-note, FTV7 (the 1st CS300) is as well equipped with one pair of overwing exits, while FTV8 (2nd CS300) has the "full config" double set of overwing exits.



[Edited 2016-05-14 03:11:06]
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Wed May 18, 2016 7:16 pm

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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu May 19, 2016 1:56 am

I'm glad to see the CS300 progressing.

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 56):
EASA certification imminent

Same link notes PW1500G EASA cert!   

Now what took so long? I'm excited, but wondering...

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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu May 19, 2016 7:49 am

Certification is here!: https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/EASA%20TCDS%20IM%20E%20090_PW1500G_Issue1_20161805_1.0.pdf

20% less thrust than Leap 1b but 27% less weight ! (and the PW1500G is quite old vs the leap1b)

Looks like weight wise the Purepower is a winner
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu May 19, 2016 9:43 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 57):
Same link notes PW1500G EASA cert!
EASA´s and FAA´s certification sheets of the . PW1500G series of the geared turbofan engines:

. TCDS No.: IME.090 Issue: 01 - Models: PW1519G, PW1521G, PW1524G and PW1525G
Date: 18. May 2016

. TCDS NUMBER E00090EN - MODELS: PW1519G, PW1521G, PW1524G, PW1525G
Date: January 22, 2016


The series of the . geared turbofan engines certified so far are the series PW1100G-JM designed for the . A320neo family of the aircraft and the series PW1500G intended for the Bombardier´s CSeries of the aircraft.

The values of those certified engines´ thrusts, as follows:

.


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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu May 19, 2016 12:02 pm

1525G?

Whats that?
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu May 19, 2016 12:53 pm

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 60):
1525G

15 = PW1500

25 = ~25k thrust

G = Geared Fan
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu May 19, 2016 1:10 pm

Ah, yes, its the a/c rolling thrust bump.

Cheers.


https://www.pw.utc.com/Content/Press_Kits/pdf/ce_pw1500g_pCard.pdf
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu May 19, 2016 9:07 pm

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 58):

Certification is here!: https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/EASA%20TCDS%20IM%20E%20090_PW1500G_Issue1_20161805_1.0.pdf

Interesting. I thought that P&W in the U.S. designs and manufactures all the GTF engines (and larger engines). While P&W Canada designs and manufactures the PW127 (for the ATR72) and PW150 (for the Q400).

In the EASA document, it refers to "Pratt & Witney Canada Corp." continually and give the address in Quebec. Why not use the Connecticut address? Or is there some business reason for this?
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Thu May 19, 2016 11:40 pm

Quoting CXH (Reply 63):

In the EASA document, it refers to "Pratt & Witney Canada Corp." continually and give the address in Quebec. Why not use the Connecticut address? Or is there some business reason for this?

The PW1500 series are built by PWC in a new factory at the Mirabel airport. While the GTF R&D was conducted in Connecticut, PWC must have taken care of the 1500 series certification with Transport Canada
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 20, 2016 12:37 pm

Quoting dash9 (Reply 64):
The PW1500 series are built by PWC in a new factory at the Mirabel airport.

and the PW800.
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 20, 2016 2:30 pm

Mr. Faust is now predicting EASA certification for Monday....

We'll see how close he is.
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 20, 2016 5:14 pm

Quoting CXH (Reply 63):
In the EASA document, it refers to "Pratt & Witney Canada Corp."

Only the PW1100G based engines will primarily be built in the USA. There are provisions, dependent upon much improved sales, to assemble PW1500G in Connecticut just as the LEAP has multiple assembly sites.

The exception is PW9000 engines based off the PW1500G core will be made in Connecticut.

This is due to PWC having lower cost than "mother Pratt.". That said, the Connecticut factories are investing for low cost volume production. If C-series+MRJ+E2-jet production breaks 200 or so per year, expect production to sramp in Connecticut. PW800 production will remain in Canada.

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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 20, 2016 8:26 pm

The first flight of LX#1 (50010) must be about to happen. Does anyone know when it's due?
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 20, 2016 8:55 pm

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 68):
The first flight of LX#1 (50010) must be about to happen. Does anyone know when it's due?

I thought the first aircraft for LX has just entered the paint shop during this week according this:

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/do-i-sme...rst-swiss-airways--1792066076.html

I expect her to be airborne between 01JUN-10JUN.
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 20, 2016 9:39 pm

Quoting dash9 (Reply 64):
The PW1500 series are built by PWC in a new factory at the Mirabel airport. While the GTF R&D was conducted in Connecticut, PWC must have taken care of the 1500 series certification with Transport Canada

Thanks Dash9, Queb and Lightsaber for the information. Learn something new everyday!
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Fri May 20, 2016 9:43 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 69):
I expect her to be airborne between 01JUN-10JUN

Thanks for that. Test flights will hopefully be swift and customer acceptance flights also. That sounds good!
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 24, 2016 2:35 pm

Is the first CS100 for Swiss already in paint? Because Bombardier just tweeted this photo:

http://imagr.eu/up/O6MbT_CjOkrM3WUAAgMgp.jpg
http://twitter.com/BBD_Aircraft/status/735112228140093440
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 24, 2016 2:38 pm

Regarding EIS, Bombardier sees a high level of maturity:

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...high-level-maturity-c-series-entry
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 24, 2016 3:09 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 72):
Is the first CS100 for Swiss already in paint? Because Bombardier just tweeted this photo:
Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 69):
I thought the first aircraft for LX has just entered the paint shop during this week according this:

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/do-i-sme....html

We weren't sure either. I guess -JBA (seen right there) is now in paint.
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 24, 2016 3:12 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 74):
I guess -JBA (seen right there) is now in paint

That's what I thought. Isn't she supposed to have her FF between 1st and 10th June?
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 24, 2016 3:24 pm

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 75):
Isn't she supposed to have her FF between 1st and 10th June?

That was just a guess of mine. If it operates from 15JUL, then I expect her to be delivered from the end of June between the first days of July (It will certainly have some ground time before starting ops). Add 2-3 weeks of flight testing for the first production aircraft and you get a FF date of early June.

Edit: In one of the comments on twitter, it's said that this picture was taken a few days earlier.

[Edited 2016-05-24 08:25:58]
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 24, 2016 3:48 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 76):
That was just a guess of mine. If it operates from 15JUL, then I expect her to be delivered from the end of June between the first days of July (It will certainly have some ground time before starting ops). Add 2-3 weeks of flight testing for the first production aircraft and you get a FF date of early June.

I appreciate that. But it's a well founded guess.
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 24, 2016 7:58 pm

Per Sylvain Faust tweet, Transport Canada CS300 certification is expected May 30th.
http://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status/735192617500221442
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 24, 2016 8:19 pm

Quoting starbucks (Reply 78):
Per Sylvain Faust tweet, Transport Canada CS300 certification is expected May 30th.

I don't know how they can possibly certify the aircraft without all the certification documents.

Which will be *at least* end of June.
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Tue May 24, 2016 8:59 pm

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 79):
I don't know how they can possibly certify the aircraft without all the certification documents.

Which will be *at least* end of June.

It is Sylvain Faust. He will probably be telling us the CS300 has been certified about 5 different times before it is actually certified.
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat May 28, 2016 9:50 am

 
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Sat May 28, 2016 5:35 pm

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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat May 28, 2016 6:06 pm

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 82):

An absolute stunner! I wished they would have kept the PW logo on the engines though. What surprises me is the lack of stickers like "First to fly..." or "Launch Operator".
 
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RE: CSeries - Flight Test And Production (Part 12)

Sat May 28, 2016 7:28 pm

Do we know what the HB registration is going to be?
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