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RE: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 5)

Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:08 am

Quoting Fridgeguy (Reply 199):
Does anybody know what's going on with FTV 4 ?
Don't think it's been in the air since it arrived in Whichita

They were waiting for their flight permit from FAA which they got on Thursday or Friday per Rob Dewar on the latest video program update @ www.cseries.com

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RE: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 5)

Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:17 am

Another 2:20 for FTV2 on Saturday, the 27th.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:20 am

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bomb...g-order-for-cseries-jets-1.2778972

good news!

regarding production, i think this week we'll see more lay-offs  
 
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Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:35 am

Quoting Mad99 (Reply 1):
i think this week we'll see more lay-offs

Very likely.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:28 pm

FTV4 is set to go to KSLN (Salina) soon for anti-skid testing: http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...g-741976256.html?xrs=RebelMouse_tw

[Edited 2014-09-29 08:28:43]
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:38 pm

The first CS300 undergoing final assembly:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byyon2GIAAAJwYP.jpg:large
http://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status/516973462087557121
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:40 pm

The cabin of FTV5, bins and side panels have been installed:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2dann0k.jpg

http://oi62.tinypic.com/35mmd8g.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cLIm...yDrs&list=UUPvyf8tiq_GhyqqJJ8XuBaA
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:47 pm

In case anyone can't watch the video and wonders about the captions on these pictures, they say:

1. "It's awesome to see the interior take shape".
2. (mid-sentence) "... its large overhead bins, its large windows, and all this space!"
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Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:09 pm

Those are big windows!
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:45 am

Quoting Mad99 (Reply 1):
regarding production, i think this week we'll see more lay-offs

it's started at St-Laurent and Mirabel plants, friday for Dorval. About 900 lay-offs in Mtl area, mostly white collars.
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:52 am

Quoting queb (Reply 8):
it's started at St-Laurent and Mirabel plants, friday for Dorval. About 900 lay-offs in Mtl area, mostly white collars.

now after the 1/4 results you'll see more  

production will more or less stop until they sort out the issues they have.. then it'll be rush rush!!
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:04 am

Oct 1 FTV2 test flight; 4 hours, 36 minutes.

Here's a good video from CSeries chief test pilot about the difference between direct and normal FBW modes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OghtdzFXFoo&feature=youtu.be
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:57 pm

According to Sylvain Faust who has been a very reliable source, FTV 4 is visiting Indianapolis and Dallas Fort Worth on Tuesday.

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-dallas-indianapolis-752465210.html
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:29 am

Swiss is forced to lease E-jets because of CSeries delays;

http://www.bnn.ca/News/2014/10/06/Bo...ufthansas-Swiss-to-lease-jets.aspx

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The 20 Embraer SA planes from Helvetic Airways AG will let Swiss phase out less-efficient BAE Systems Plc Avro regional jets, which will eventually be replaced by 30 CSeries planes due for delivery from 2015 to 2017, Chief Executive Officer Harry Hohmeister said at a presentation in Zurich today. He said Swiss may hold on to the Embraers after getting the CSeries.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:15 pm

Seems that FTV1 is repaired and should fly in the coming weeks (before FTV3).

http://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status/519596167135383552
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:49 pm

So, FTV4 went to see Republic in Indy, but what's it doing in Fort Worth? Is anyone based there that has interest in the aircraft (or even existing order)?
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:54 pm

Not sure if this was posted, but here is a picture of FTV1's wing repair. Looks like there are at least a few patches involved! Glad to hear she will be back in the air shortly.

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...1-composite-wing-re-742810187.html
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:33 am

Quoting Quantos (Reply 14):
So, FTV4 went to see Republic in Indy, but what's it doing in Fort Worth? Is anyone based there that has interest in the aircraft (or even existing order)?

I have heard that sometimes when the Powers to be want to look at an aircraft not currently in their fleet they will have a meeting with the vendor at Forth worth's airport thus attracting less attention. Not sure how true that is but I have seen it posted here on A.Net before over the years.
I was just reading on Faust's Site and they went to DFW not to Meacham airport.

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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:01 am

Quoting Quantos (Reply 14):
So, FTV4 went to see Republic in Indy, but what's it doing in Fort Worth? Is anyone based there that has interest in the aircraft (or even existing order)?

If anything it should be visiting DL in Atlanta. All these Mad Dogs begging for 1:1 replacement...

[Edited 2014-10-07 20:02:13]
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:09 am

Quoting GE9X (Reply 17):

Very True, This is what the C-sSeries is meant to replace, At least that is what I think.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:23 am

Quoting GE9X (Reply 17):
If anything it should be visiting DL in Atlanta. All these Mad Dogs begging for 1:1 replacement...
Quoting GE9X (Reply 17):
Very True, This is what the C-sSeries is meant to replace, At least that is what I think.

From the related Delta MD-88/90 thread:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/innova...support-inc-reports-000000975.html

http://presscenter.innovative-ss.com...ermination-contract-md8890-cockpit

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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:27 am

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 15):
Not sure if this was posted, but here is a picture of FTV1's wing repair.

Here's another photo:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwzjP4FIEAABuMP.jpg:large
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:07 pm

This topic has fallen back to page 4 on the forum list. The last post on FTV1 repair status is more than one week old.

What's happening with FTV2/4 flight tests? When is FTV3 joining or is the entire fleet down?

FTV1-4 were all rolled out prior to the May engine incident. When will FTV5 and FTV6 join?
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:14 pm

The last updates from Sylvain:

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...2-flying-saturday-o-760144667.html

(FTV2 - 4 hours, 15 minutes in air)

...and alluding FTV5, 1 & 3 will be in the air soon:

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...-over-140-completed-761228079.html
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:45 pm

New update from Sylvain saying FTV1 + 3 will be in the air this week:

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...tv1-and-ftv3-update-773219547.html

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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:03 pm

New update from Sylvain:

- FTV5 should be painted now.
- FTV6 is the fatigue test bed in Germany.
- FTV7 is the first CS300.
- FTV8 is the second CS300.

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...i-774946471.html?xrs=RebelMouse_tw
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:30 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
- FTV6 is the fatigue test bed in Germany.

The fatigue test bed is static so it can't be a FTV, FTV = FLYING test vehicule.

- FTV6 is the first CS300.
- FTV7 is the second CS300.
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:34 pm

So what is Sylvain talking about?
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:49 pm

Actually, there is no FTV6.

Aircraft 50001 to 50005 is FTV1 to FTV5
Aircraft 50006 is the first production aircraft
Aircraft 55001 is FTV7
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:15 am

Thanks for the clarification. Is there a reason for skipping FTV6?
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:31 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):
Thanks for the clarification. Is there a reason for skipping FTV6?

Sylvain was just noting that there is another airframe that is in Germany undergoing static stress testing. Number six is rather confusing for as noted, the sixth airframe isn't 50006.
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:09 pm

The first CS300 has been painted and will roll out soon.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/25t9qwz.jpg

http://cseries.com/?gallery=nextgen-4204
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:20 am

today's update by Sylvain Faust noted that FTV2 was up to FL400.... is that the first time that high?

Does anyone know what the planned service ceiling is?
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:27 am

Think it flew at FL400 a while back, and I don't think we know much about how high it's been flying since.

An interesting development will be what today's election of John Tory means for the expansion plans at YTZ.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:38 am

Quoting Quantos (Reply 32):
An interesting development will be what today's election of John Tory means for the expansion plans at YTZ.

More studies and reviews of the studies.  
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:49 am

Quoting planemaker (Reply 33):
Quoting Quantos (Reply 32):
An interesting development will be what today's election of John Tory means for the expansion plans at YTZ.

More studies and reviews of the studies.

At least it won't be a flat out NO to any development without any studies like one of the other candidates. I think Tory will go ahead with the YTZ plans but it won't be as fast as Ford Nation would.

Is there any word where the Macquarie Air Finance frames are going?
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:10 am

Quoting Bingo1 (Reply 34):
At least it won't be a flat out NO to any development without any studies like one of the other candidates. I think Tory will go ahead with the YTZ plans but it won't be as fast as Ford Nation would.

It appears that after the studies (google is your friend) there will be a vote and the new mayor will only have one vote. So it would appear that it just comes down to the composition of Councillors. I image that they have voiced their opinions during the election so an indication of how the vote may go should be guessable. BTW, according to this their may be some debate as to whether the new mayor would be able to vote on this issue.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:13 pm

Quoting planemaker (Reply 35):

It appears that after the studies (google is your friend) there will be a vote and the new mayor will only have one vote. So it would appear that it just comes down to the composition of Councillors. I image that they have voiced their opinions during the election so an indication of how the vote may go should be guessable. BTW, according to this their may be some debate as to whether the new mayor would be able to vote on this issue.

Google is correct, sort of. The mayor is only one vote in counsel, true, however the mayor does play a prominnent role in shaping policy in other ways. Or at least the mayor used to, before Council remembered that they can depose the mayor and still carry on.

Whether this will be a positive development or not has yet to be seen. The new mayor has not taken an unequivocal position on the expansion, for or against (or if he did, I missed it). But if he does choose to support it, there is a better chance that his support will actually carry some weight (unlike Ford the sequal).
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:11 pm

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 36):
The new mayor has not taken an unequivocal position on the expansion, for or against (or if he did, I missed it).

From what I have seen from Google he has not indicated any position (though, as the article says, because of his son he may be seen as being in a conflict of interest). I also came across this "infographic" that would indicate that there is somewhere between 40-50% support in Toronto for expanding the airport.https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:09 am

Quoting planemaker (Reply 37):
From what I have seen from Google he has not indicated any position (though, as the article says, because of his son he may be seen as being in a conflict of interest). I also came across this "infographic" that would indicate that there is somewhere between 40-50% support in Toronto for expanding the airport.https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/

yes, the vocal anti-airport crowd gets the media coverage, but that doesn't mean that they are in the majority...

All of that said, we should probably resume this conversation in the other (non-testing) thread.   
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:46 pm

A couple of updates from Sylvain, sorry but I am a little late in posting.

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/breaking...ws-cseries-ftv1-fly-802931279.html
http://www.fliegerfaust.com/before-y...ask-cseries-ftv2-fl-802108567.html

It seems FTV 2 has been busy over the last few days, just not reported on here.
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:05 pm

Again, thanks to Sylvain for keeping on top of things, check out his website for the latest updates, news on the test fleet and he keeps hinting about an order, or two...

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...3-china-next-week-e-805766559.html
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:55 am

Alenia Aermacchi wants to terminate its contract with Bombardier and to institute legal proceedings for $121 millions against BBD for losses incurred and future. Alenia makes the Cseries horizontal stabilizer and says they are losing hundreds thousands of dollars on each shipset delivered.

In french: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/201...rsuit-bombardier-pour-121-millions

[Edited 2014-11-07 17:56:09]
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:00 am

Quoting airnorth (Reply 40):
news on the test fleet and he keeps hinting about an order, or two...

We can hope. I personally think airlines will continue to wait for more flight test data and due to delays either certification on stiff penalties on future delays...

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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:48 am

FTV3 engines have been started, that's good. Soon Bombardier will have four aircraft in the air.
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:37 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 41):
Alenia Aermacchi wants to terminate its contract with Bombardier and to institute legal proceedings for $121 millions against BBD for losses incurred and future. Alenia makes the Cseries horizontal stabilizer and says they are losing hundreds thousands of dollars on each shipset delivered.

Oh dear. Unless Alenia is prepared to continue making the horizontal stabilizer but at a higher price, this looks like a disaster for Cseries production. Of course if Alenia has contracted to produce x number of stabilisers at y price a court may enjoin Alenia to fulfil the contract.

[Edited 2014-11-08 05:39:02]
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:26 pm

I don't understand. They allege that they are losing money on their operation. Now they want the court to force BBD to release them from the contract, with damages. What is the alleged cause of the damage? At least in that article there's nothing about the delays playing a part or indeed any action of BBD at all, except BBD won't negotiate the price.

I would have thought they'd be suing their own employees who didn't do the costings right.

May one guess that the real issue is the delays and they are stuck with either lots of inventory, or staff standing around and thus much higher production costs?
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:51 pm

Quoting art (Reply 44):
Quoting queb (Reply 41):Alenia Aermacchi wants to terminate its contract with Bombardier and to institute legal proceedings for $121 millions against BBD for losses incurred and future. Alenia makes the Cseries horizontal stabilizer and says they are losing hundreds thousands of dollars on each shipset delivered.
Oh dear. Unless Alenia is prepared to continue making the horizontal stabilizer but at a higher price, this looks like a disaster for Cseries production. Of course if Alenia has contracted to produce x number of stabilisers at y price a court may enjoin Alenia to fulfil the contract.

Strange indeed...

but should this not be discussed in the other Non-Test thread?
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:52 pm

Quoting seat55a (Reply 45):
May one guess that the real issue is the delays and they are stuck with either lots of inventory, or staff standing around and thus much higher production costs?

That could be very well be the root cause of Alenia's loss.
 
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RE: CSeries Flight Testing Production Thread (part6)

Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:52 pm

Austrian is pushing LH to order CSeries for their fleet revamp.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...rian-fleet-revamp/article21105472/
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