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Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:54 am

I guess this is slightly off-topic in the main thread, which is why I have now started this new thread. A working college of mine flew yesterday with his family from FRA to SIN on an A380. I have heard that one plane from SIA was pretty close to the airplane which was shot down.

Do you know, which plane/flight of SIA came close to MH yesterday when it crashed?
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:03 am

SQ351 was pretty close.

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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:15 am

Thank you. I googled now that the flight FRA-SIN flew via Crimea, so it was far enough away.

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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:34 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
SQ351 was pretty close.

Yes, SQ351 is from CPH to SIN.
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:37 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
SQ351 was pretty close.

My eyes are bad; whats that other flight flying in the opposite direction as MH 17?
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:43 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):

AI 113 DEL-BHX on a 788

[Edited 2014-07-18 01:43:28]
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:44 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
My eyes are bad; whats that other flight flying in the opposite direction as MH 17?

AI 113 DEL to BHX
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:44 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):

AI 113 Air India 787-8
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Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:48 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
My eyes are bad; whats that other flight flying in the opposite direction as MH 17?

AI 113 according to a Twitter post:

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Singapore Airlines SQ351 (B777) and Air India AI113 (B787) were about 25 km from #MH17 when it disappeared.
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:50 am

Alright, that's four in a row.   

Have FR24 deactivated their playback function? I can't seem to find it.
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:03 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 10):

Yes. It has be removed from the playback function.
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:16 pm

So the cockpit crews of SQ351 and AI113 might be eye witnesses of the accident?
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:19 pm

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...d-that-war-zone-one-didnt-make-it/

This is a blog, so of course not the most trustworthy of sources, but it mentions SQ351 CPH - SIN, and SQ333 CDG - SIN

I was on SQ333 to SIN and still can't comprehend how close my family and I were to this tragedy

It's also mentioned in reply #129 on this flyertalk forum

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...7-crash-ukraine-july-2014-a-9.html

Quote:
SQ333 CDG-SIN (A388 9V-SKQ) was a few West miles away.
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:48 pm

So how may Airlines decided NOT to route their aircraft over Ukraine much before this tragedy? Now, I am getting angry that ATC and airlines decided to follow this "Safe" route when they had reports every week Ukrainian aircraft were getting crashed right around that area.
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:02 pm

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 14):
So how may Airlines decided NOT to route their aircraft over Ukraine much before this tragedy?

The ones i know of are QF, KE and BA. There might be more.

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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:28 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 15):
QF

QF going LHR-DXB by great circle doesnt go near Ukraine or Russia. Pehaps a clear benefit of the EK linkup!
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:38 pm

SQ 323 used from AMS the same airway as MH17 and SQ26 and SQ327 were in the same airspace not long before the incident.
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Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:39 pm

SQ 323 used from AMS the same airway as MH17 and SQ25 and SQ327 were in the same airspace not long before the incident.
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:53 pm

So I'm guessing/assuming that no airline now routes any flights over the area where the MH flight was downed?

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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:05 pm

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 14):
So how may Airlines decided NOT to route their aircraft over Ukraine much before this tragedy? Now, I am getting angry that ATC and airlines decided to follow this "Safe" route when they had reports every week Ukrainian aircraft were getting crashed right around that area.

Well, I guess the whole western world is to blame, in the sense that officially, there was no war in the Ukraine, just some local clashes with the "separatists". This was done to allow conducting business with Russia - see the French selling war ships to Russia etc. Now that the terrorists have shot an airliner it will become different, I hope.
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:09 pm

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 14):
Quoting AirDFW (Reply 14):
So how may Airlines decided NOT to route their aircraft over Ukraine much before this tragedy?

The FAA forbade all US carriers from flying over that region back in April I believe.

[Edited 2014-07-18 11:11:06]
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:51 pm

Quoting konrad (Reply 20):
Quoting AirDFW (Reply 14):
So how may Airlines decided NOT to route their aircraft over Ukraine much before this tragedy? Now, I am getting angry that ATC and airlines decided to follow this "Safe" route when they had reports every week Ukrainian aircraft were getting crashed right around that area.

Well, I guess the whole western world is to blame, in the sense that officially, there was no war in the Ukraine, just some local clashes with the "separatists". This was done to allow conducting business with Russia - see the French selling war ships to Russia etc. Now that the terrorists have shot an airliner it will become different, I hope.

Seconded.
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:30 pm

Quite disappointed in SQ that they have not been avoiding that airspace out of an abundance of caution.
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:01 pm

Quoting ctnyc12 (Reply 21):
The FAA forbade all US carriers from flying over that region back in April I believe.

Pretty easy to do when you have no carriers who would ever fly that way anyway (other than a charter). Okay, maybe cargo?

Quoting konrad (Reply 20):
Well, I guess the whole western world is to blame, in the sense that officially, there was no war in the Ukraine, just some local clashes with the "separatists". This was done to allow conducting business with Russia - see the French selling war ships to Russia etc. Now that the terrorists have shot an airliner it will become different, I hope.

While I don't support Russia, Russia has not declared war on Ukraine.

The fault lies partly with Kiev for not closing the airspace, as they issued the FL320 NOTAM. Was this done in order to provide cover for them to fly in that space? Was it a gambit that failed, to test out the airspace? I mean, what exactly is the point of leaving it open?
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:17 pm

In the website, below, the claim is made that MH-17 was mistaken for Putin's plane; in other words that the the target was the Russian president. Which wouldn't be surprising after the establishment of a 'BRICS Bank' just recently ....

The times quoted seem to be close enough to make a mistaken identity likely.

I would have no way of checking this out myself but maybe there are others on the thread, from the airline industry, who can shed a bit more light on this. After all, to the average person from the public this would seem plausible and explain a lot.

Here is the website:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.co...s-plane-hit-malaysia-mh17-instead/
And I quote from it:
“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft – 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity."
End of quote.

I'm not sure if the image, comparing Putin's plane and MH-17 has uploaded or not, but if you go to the above website there is a photo anyway.

[Edited 2014-07-18 15:28:24]
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:52 am

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 14):
Now, I am getting angry that ATC and airlines decided to follow this "Safe" route when they had reports every week Ukrainian aircraft were getting crashed right around that area.

If it was deemed safe it was deemed safe. It's not as if airspace over the Ukraine is the only airspace above a war zone or questionable area... Get angry with those who deemed the route to be safe and were obviously wrong - not those who used the wrong information that they thought was accurate and that they have always followed without a problem...
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:58 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 24):
Pretty easy to do when you have no carriers who would ever fly that way anyway (other than a charter). Okay, maybe cargo?

AMS-BOM and ATL-DXB flights by DL fly close to the region.
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:38 am

Quoting YoungMans (Reply 25):
In the website, below, the claim is made that MH-17 was mistaken for Putin's plane; in other words that the the target was the Russian president. Which wouldn't be surprising after the establishment of a 'BRICS Bank' just recently ....

I can't see that being even theoretically possible. Putin was flying from Brazil to Moscow; how would he possibly end up above Eastern Ukraine? It's not on his way. Also, russian security services are good at choosing routes; they wouldn't choose Ukraine now at all. They know talent of Ukrainian air defense in shooting civil airliners; this is not the first time they are doing it. They hit Tupolev 154 in 2001 AFAIR in Crimea region.
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:45 am

I heard on NPR, FAA forbade airlines only on the Crimea area not on Ukraine-Russia border.
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:12 am

Quoting anrec80 (Reply 28):

You have a point there; what more, the dates don't seem to tally either.

Then again, we may not hear about every flight the Russian President takes; just as we don't hear about all the flights (overseas or otherwise) of most countries leaders.

The article also features on Russia Today, that countries English language service.
See it here: http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

How, though, would they have arrived at exact times and locations, like this:
"That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters.
The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and ....
the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time, ...”

And what does it mean - 'Warsaw on 330-m echelon' ...??
If it does indicate some sort of area or location, it would seem fairly specific.

Maybe someone in the airline industry in those areas can shed some more light on this?
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:28 am

What difference does this make to you?
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:07 am

I just looked at flightradar24.com and noticed that there are now large lines of traffic going to the north and south of Ukraine which obviously seems to be a response to the downing of MH17. However I did see the icon over Kiev of MH5002 which is a 744 (9M-MPP). What is this aircraft doing? From the flight number I assume it's a charter flight? Carrying relatives from Malaysia to Ukraine?
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:55 am

Quoting YoungMans (Reply 30):
The article also features on Russia Today

You are repeating Russian propaganda on these forums and making outrageous claims trying to lay blame on the Ukrainian government. Why?
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:22 am

Oh my. That missile launch crew came very close to unintentionally shooting down an SQ A388 flight. That would have made this tragedy much worse.  
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:28 am

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 32):
However I did see the icon over Kiev of MH5002 which is a 744 (9M-MPP). What is this aircraft doing? From the flight number I assume it's a charter flight? Carrying relatives from Malaysia to Ukraine?

There wee media reports of MH sending a 747 to transport relatives to Kiev so I guess that would explain 9M-MPP
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:30 am

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 32):
I just looked at flightradar24.com and noticed that there are now large lines of traffic going to the north and south of Ukraine which obviously seems to be a response to the downing of MH17. However I did see the icon over Kiev of MH5002 which is a 744 (9M-MPP). What is this aircraft doing? From the flight number I assume it's a charter flight? Carrying relatives from Malaysia to Ukraine?

I just posted a screenshot from FR24 on the MH crash thread 4
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:15 am

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 14):
So how may Airlines decided NOT to route their aircraft over Ukraine much before this tragedy?
Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 15):
The ones i know of are QF, KE and BA. There might be more.

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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:27 am

NYTimes map of major airlines decision to fly around / through Ukraine days before the crash.

Link to full article: http://nyti.ms/1rytOB0

 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:44 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
SQ351 was pretty close.

Is it not reasonable to expect that the pilots or passengers of SQ351, or any of the other aircraft within an x-mile radius, would have noticed the explosion from a missile hitting MH17?
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:12 am

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 33):
You are repeating Russian propaganda on these forums and making outrageous claims trying to lay blame on the Ukrainian government. Why?

There are no claims that I'm making and certainly no 'outrageous' ones!
I was asking questions in the sincere hope that someone else might be able to shed more light on the subject.
Neither am I repeating Russian propaganda, as you put it. Yes, I did send a follow-up (reply #30) to a post I made earlier; and, yes, I quoted a different URL there because it appears clearer.
Most importantly, though, all information needs to be considered, ... and properly.

Instead of accusing me of making outrageous claims, it would have been better for you to answer the questions I put.
Let me repeat them ....
How can anyone arrive at exact times and locations, like this:
"That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters.
The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and ....
the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time, ...”
Are these time slots correct?

What does it mean - 'Warsaw on 330-m echelon' ...??
Does that indicate some sort of area or location? It seems fairly specific; or is it just bunkum?.

Last but not least, neither do I blame the Ukrainian Government.
And yet, this incident could well be a case of mistaken identity.
(And, of course, anyone speaking for the Ukrainian Government wouldn't like that at all.)
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:25 am

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 14):
So how may Airlines decided NOT to route their aircraft over Ukraine much before this tragedy? Now, I am getting angry that ATC and airlines decided to follow this "Safe" route when they had reports every week Ukrainian aircraft were getting crashed right around that area.

Qantas flights do not pass over Ukraine with flights between Dubai and London tracking approximately 400 nautical miles south of this region. This measure has been in place as a precaution with flights taking on approximately an additional ton of fuel to avoid Ukraine airspace. Another reason I always fly QF, an airline which takes safety of passengers and crew seriously.

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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:20 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 34):

SQ333 CDG - SIN

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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:12 pm

Quoting Pelle (Reply 39):
Is it not reasonable to expect that the pilots or passengers of SQ351, or any of the other aircraft within an x-mile radius, would have noticed the explosion from a missile hitting MH17?

Why would it be "reasonable"? Clouds, general direction of flying, any other factors could prevent sighting of the incident.....
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:54 pm

I wounder if this could affect Aeroflot in some way or if harsher sanctions could be put on Russia especally if the Pro Russians are hindering the investagations, could some countrys ban Aeroflot from entering their air space or ban them from serving some countrys on their network, prety much like what happened to JAT in the 90s?
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:06 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 41):
south of this region. This measure has been in place as a precaution with flights taking on approximately an additional ton of fuel to avoid Ukraine airspace. Another reason I always fly QF, an airline which takes safety of passengers and crew seriously.

Is there really any need for QF to go anywhere near Ukraine airspace given the GC route cuts through the bottom left of the Black Sea? Or is that what is meant by flying 400nm, they do it anyway and havent changed anything?

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=LHR-DXB

(Im not able to generate the flightaware path at the moment though to show their actual path)

Also, looking at the GC map, the CG route between LHR & DXB flies through ISIS held territory in Syria and Iraq. Are there flights being routed around this conflict to reduce the same risk???

[Edited 2014-07-19 07:15:48]
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:45 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 45):
Is there really any need for QF to go anywhere near Ukraine airspace given the GC route cuts through the bottom left of the Black Sea? Or is that what is meant by flying 400nm, they do it anyway and havent changed anything?

LHR-DXB" target="_blank">http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=LHR-DXB

(Im not able to generate the flightaware path at the moment though to show their actual path)

Also, looking at the GC map, the CG route between LHR & DXB flies through ISIS held territory in Syria and Iraq. Are there flights being routed around this conflict to reduce the same risk???

Besides Great Circle Route, you often need to look at the wind as well... airlines often take a longer route just to catch the jetstream.
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:09 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 44):
I wounder if this could affect Aeroflot in some way or if harsher sanctions could be put on Russia especally if the Pro Russians are hindering the investagations, could some countrys ban Aeroflot from entering their air space or ban them from serving some countrys on their network, prety much like what happened to JAT in the 90s?

Having a go at Aeroflot would soon end up in the Sibiria overflight rights being denied to western airlines. Not a good prospect for civil aviation.
 
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RE: Which SIA Flight Flew Close To MH17 Yesterday?

Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:17 am

Quoting konrad (Reply 47):
Having a go at Aeroflot would soon end up in the Sibiria overflight rights being denied to western airlines. Not a good prospect for civil aviation.


Resurrection of ANC? Seriously, this would harm the european carriers a lot - and probably be another help to Emirates, which would be largely unaffected by this.

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