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MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:05 pm

Just to note MH and S7 are both members of Oneworld. Could S7 being a Russian carrier be temporarily kicked out of Oneworld?

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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:10 pm

I wouldn't have thought so
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:15 pm

S7 definitely wont be "kicked out" of OW. Depending on how far sanctions go, they could have some difficulties in their EU-Russia operations.
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:28 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):

Why. What did S7 do?
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:15 pm

I have a question in this relation:

When will OneWorld kick MH out? The airline is hardly a plus for the alliance anymore.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:44 pm

Quoting aaexp (Reply 4):

Because of 2 accidents, 1 of which we know had nothing to do with the airline itself?
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:46 pm

S7 is Russian and may therefore be affected by sanctions imposed as a result MH 17.

With regard to kicking MH out of the alliance, oneworld could just let time take care of it considering that the airline's future is anything but certain at the moment.

I also feel that S7 and UL don't add much value to the alliance. RJ is largely superfluous now that QR is in.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:24 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 6):
I also feel that S7 and UL don't add much value to the alliance. RJ is largely superfluous now that QR is in.

Look more at what being in oneworld can offer S7 and UL in terms of codeshares and onward connections and FFQ benefits for its customers rather then what the airline itself adds. By having these 2, partner airlines are able to offer a greater number of destinations across its network.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
Could S7 being a Russian carrier be temporarily kicked out of Oneworld?

Similar considerations would also apply to Aeroflot's membership of Skyteam - maybe the implications will be greater for SU as it is state owned rather than S7 whose shares are held publicly and may be less tainted with government connections.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:13 pm

Quoting flyingthe757 (Reply 5):
Because of 2 accidents, 1 of which we know had nothing to do with the airline itself?

Are you sure about that last statement?
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:31 pm

Quoting aaexp (Reply 9):
Quoting flyingthe757 (Reply 5):
Because of 2 accidents, 1 of which we know had nothing to do with the airline itself?

Are you sure about that last statement?

Are you suggesting that MH had something to do about MH 17 being hit by a missile? Then this comment is in very poor form, and should be deleted immediately. Or maybe you should read properly before posting....
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:41 pm

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 10):
Are you suggesting that MH had something to do about MH 17 being hit by a missile? Then this comment is in very poor form, and should be deleted immediately. Or maybe you should read properly before posting....

Not at all. What I am questioning is the airline's decision to fly over this area of Ukraine under the current circumstances.

Nothing to do with "poor form", just a reasonable question. Censorship, as you seem to suggest, does nothing to open and reasonable discussion.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:07 am

Quoting aaexp (Reply 11):
Not at all. What I am questioning is the airline's decision to fly over this area of Ukraine under the current circumstances.

They were flying well within the stablished norms and guidelines given to the. Perhaps UA shouldn't fly over Chicago, given the level of violence there for the past two weekends...

20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing. Amelia Earhart would have never tried to cross the Pacific... the Titanic would have never sailed near the iceberg... and MH17 would have never flown over the Ukraine. Given the information they had at the time, they did nothing wrong.
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:12 am

Quoting aaexp (Reply 11):
Not at all. What I am questioning is the airline's decision to fly over this area of Ukraine under the current circumstances.

Perhaps a bit of research would back your claims... SU & SQ have the largest volume of traffic tracking over Ukraine airspace...

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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:20 am

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 12):
They were flying well within the stablished norms and guidelines given to the. Perhaps UA shouldn't fly over Chicago, given the level of violence there for the past two weekends...

20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing. Amelia Earhart would have never tried to cross the Pacific... the Titanic would have never sailed near the iceberg... and MH17 would have never flown over the Ukraine. Given the information they had at the time, they did nothing wrong.

My comment should be seen in the light of comments on CNN in recent days that choosing southern routing taking the plane out of the disputed area would have added only 5 minutes to the total flight time and with extra fuel cost of around 3 USD per now deceased passenger. We are all responsible for our actions and the decisions we make including MH.

It seems some other airlines made the decision to avoid that area.

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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:26 am

Quoting aaexp (Reply 4):
When will OneWorld kick MH out? The airline is hardly a plus for the alliance anymore.

MH as a OW member offers a fairly similar network today, as it did when its membership started in 2013. I see no reason for OW to do any kicking.

There were other airlines operating in that airspace at that time, so I am sure that Star is not going to kick SQ out because of the airspace it has operated in.
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:39 am

Quoting aaexp (Reply 14):
It seems some other airlines made the decision to avoid that area.

Flightradar24.com all but called out these other airlines on their facebook page yesterday, saying that they were lying to the public. FR24 found plenty of examples of their flying over the same airspace in Ukraine.

For some reason though, FR24 won't name the airlines that were lying, but just said they need to come clean.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:50 am

Quoting aaexp (Reply 4):
When will OneWorld kick MH out? The airline is hardly a plus for the alliance anymore.

I disagree. If every airline that's ever had an accident (and MH17 wasn't an accident and nobody knows what happened to MH370) was evicted from their alliances, the alliances wouldn't be very big.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:42 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):

Exactly!!!!

SQ would be out, AA, UA, DL, All have had accidents at some point in their life, some big ones as well.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:50 am

Quoting aaexp (Reply 4):
When will OneWorld kick MH out? The airline is hardly a plus for the alliance anymore.

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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:29 am

Quoting aaexp (Reply 4):
When will OneWorld kick MH out? The airline is hardly a plus for the alliance anymore.

I think this needs to be looked at in the big picture. This year has been a year of hell for Malaysia Airlines, but does that doom them forever? Does that mean that they add nothing to OneWorld? Of course not! I'm not saying that it will be easy, the future for MH is uncertain, but the government of Malaysia knows that letting the airline fail will be a catastrophe for tourism in Malaysia. Yes there are AK and D7, but they are LCC's, it will close doors for many higher spending tourists and even perhaps business customers if MH were to fail. MH does provide OneWorld with a foothold in South East Asia, and if it were to leave the alliance, that would leave a hole in an important area of the world. Time is key here, MH is in crisis, but it's entirely possible for them to re-emerge, if they are managed right. For the record, if I were offered a ticket on the AKL-KUL sector tomorrow, you'd see me on that plane. Kia Kaha (stay strong in Maori) Malaysia Airlines.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:01 pm

Quoting aaexp (Reply 4):
When will OneWorld kick MH out? The airline is hardly a plus for the alliance anymore.

Geez! Talk about kicking them while their down. "You! You've hit a stroke of bad luck. Get out!" I don't think that solves anything for the alliance, and it certainly doesn't help MH, which by all accounts is a quite nice, little carrier. It also fills a gap in the OW map. Star has several carriers in SE Asia/Pacific region. Skyteam has a good presence with its large Chinese carriers. It's not like MH is giving OW a bad name. Why on earth would they boot them?
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:37 pm

Quoting aaexp (Reply 14):

This has been covered over and over again in multiple threads. Should MH have avoided the region? In hindsight, probably. But that's an abstract, moral decision. The fact remains that they were operating within established guidelines and norms, and were joined by a significant number of aircraft from many other airlines.

MH is not directly responsible for any of the events of MH17, and the suggestion that they somehow played a part in the demise of their own aircraft takes away from the discussion that we really should be having: that plying lawless rebels with heavy artillery capable of such destruction is a terrifically bad idea on the part of Russia.
 
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RE: MH17 Impact On Oneworld

Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:10 pm

Quoting aaexp (Reply 4):

Brilliant!!!

In that case we ought to kick AA out too! Why? They lost far more aircraft than MH. While we're busy kicking left and right, lets kick BA out as well, they too lost a 777 remember?

I'm getting a kick out of this. Let's kick TAM off the planet completely, they lost A320, F100s, EMB-110s etc

Christ sake

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