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TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:04 pm

A TransAsia Airways ATR-72 crashed in Taiwan.
It has been reported that there were 58 passengers onboard.
No further details has been reported.

[Edited 2014-07-23 06:05:21]
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:06 pm

I'm not finding anything other than old articles. Are you sure this is a "new" crash?

[Edited 2014-07-23 06:08:12]
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:11 pm

Early reports are coming in of a crash involving an ATR-72 operated by Transasia Airlines in Taiwan. The accident happened on PenHu which is part of the Pescadores group of Islands. The aircraft appears to have crashed while attempting to land. The ATR-72 has crashed into residential buildings, resulting in a hull loss and fire. 8 people are currently accounted for, and it appears that 48 passengers and crew have perished.
It is worth noting that a typhoon has passed through the region within the past 12 hours.
 
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Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:27 pm

This year is really getting a bad year for aviation.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:28 pm

EuroNews claims the death toll officially stands at 40 (for now).
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:28 pm

Just appeared on reuters, It says 40 killed.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:34 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 1):
I'm not finding anything other than old articles. Are you sure this is a "new" crash?

It has been on Sky news for the past hour.
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:36 pm

At least 51 feared dead as Taiwan passenger plane crash lands in Penghu South China Morning Post

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[Edited 2014-07-23 06:41:15]
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:40 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 4):
This year is really getting a bad year for aviation.

Haven't the last few years been fairly safe, like abnormally so? Law of averages, I guess.
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:41 pm

Quoting varsity (Reply 8):
At least 51 feared dead as Taiwan passenger plane crash lands in Penghu South China Morning Post

This is the second TNA ATR they've lost in the Penghu region.

They suffered an ATR72 Cargo loss there due to severe icing about 10 years ago.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:54 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 4):
This year is really getting a bad year for aviation.

Sounds like it's been a really bad HOUR for aviation with reports now from The Netherlands....
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:55 pm

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 9):

Haven't the last few years been fairly safe, like abnormally so? Law of averages, I guess.

Yes, the last years were amazing. One could have hoped this was the result of better airplanes, better training, better infrastructure (and it certainly is), and this year, at least two crashes (MH) were special events, but still, its a shame this year is doing so badly.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:55 pm

I'd like to point out that Typhoon Matmo was crossing the Island of Taiwan from South to North today. It has made landfall on the Southern coast of China a few hours ago, and the weather in the Taiwan strait, especially at low levels, was pretty dire.

There is absolutely no indication that this accident is linked to the bad weather at this stage, however.
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:01 pm

Quoting illinicmi (Reply 11):
Sounds like it's been a really bad HOUR for aviation with reports now from The Netherlands....

Nevermind, erroneous tweet from the AP a little bit ago:

The Associated Press ‏@AP
BREAKING: Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash lands in Eindhoven.

They have since clarified that it simply landed. Carry on.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:02 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 13):
There is absolutely no indication that this accident is linked to the bad weather at this stage, however.

It was the second attempt at landing due to heavy rain from the typhoon. How is that not linked to the bad weather?
Why are they even operating these small planes in the middle of a typhoon? Ridiculous.
The news headline should read: Airline kills 51 innocent people.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:04 pm

Terrible tragedy, RIP to all victims. It seems bad weather was the culprit here.

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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:04 pm

Quoting illinicmi (Reply 11):

Sounds like it's been a really bad HOUR for aviation with reports now from The Netherlands....

Another incident? Or related to MH0017?
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:11 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 15):
It was the second attempt at landing due to heavy rain from the typhoon. How is that not linked to the bad weather?
Why are they even operating these small planes in the middle of a typhoon? Ridiculous.
The news headline should read: Airline kills 51 innocent people.

If the weather conditions were within the operational parameters of the aircraft, it's not "linked to bad weather." Looking at CXs flight status out of TPE for today, there were some cancellations and delays in the AM, followed by mostly on time departures after that. Having flown in and out of TPE/KHH in all manner of storms, usually it's only a few hours where flying is unsafe.

Now, on the other hand I don't know what the local conditions were at Magong airport at that time; if the weather was not safe for landing, then the pilots shouldn't have attempted it. But just having a typhoon in the area is not a reason to stop all flights.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:18 pm

Quoting varsity (Reply 17):
Another incident? Or related to MH0017?

no, the associated press sent an incorrect tweet starting some rumours
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:18 pm

Quoting illinicmi (Reply 14):
BREAKING: Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash lands in Eindhoven.

Commas are your friends, news people:

BREAKING: Dutch military plane, carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash, lands in Eindhoven.

Two characters makes for a very different sentence.
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:20 pm

54 passengers and 4 crew onboard, being reported by AP
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:24 pm

CNN reporting weather conditions were less than ideal..

Mari Ramos @MariRamosCNN
Weather observation for #Penghu airport last few hours: 75kph/50mph, cloudy with thunderstorms, 256mm/10inches of rain (in last 24 hrs).

Taiwan radar at the time of the accident shows a heavy rainband from the typhoon over the field.

[Edited 2014-07-23 07:25:07]
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:27 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
Yes, the last years were amazing. One could have hoped this was the result of better airplanes, better training, better infrastructure (and it certainly is), and this year, at least two crashes (MH) were special events, but still, its a shame this year is doing so badly.

The last one is certainly not a "crash" (even though they could have avoided the region), but MH370 could be just another AF447, nothing "special" about it.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:42 pm

God not another one.

Did that typhoon completely pass Taiwan or is it still really crappy weather there now?
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:47 pm

Wonder why they took off in the first place with a Typhoon hitting their destination...
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:54 pm

According to aviation safety network its B-22817, Delivered only 2 months ago?
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:54 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 15):
Why are they even operating these small planes in the middle of a typhoon?

They were NOT operating in the middle of a typhoon.

The middle of the typhoon was over 150 miles away from the crash site.

The strongest winds I can see reported for the crash airport were 23 kts with gusts to 32 kts.

Like most other falsely called "typhoon crashes" this one is likely more visibility related due to heavy rains.

From the data I can find Magong Air Base (MZG/ RCQC) does not have an ILS system.
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:03 pm

Does anyone know the tail number of the aircraft involved ?
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:03 pm

For what it's worth, although Magong Airport's website is rather slow and clunky right now, it looks like planes were landing there after 3 PM local time, including ATR 72s. (GE 511 from TSA landed 15 minutes late at 15:35 local time.) The storm would have been moving away from Taiwan by then.

Now, with Typhoons, even when the storm moves away, there may be localized heavy rains, but that's not necessarily a reason not to set out, but rather a reason to hold, go-around, or divert for more fuel.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:05 pm

Quoting jetstream63 (Reply 30):
Does anyone know the tail number of the aircraft involved ?
Quoting Giancavia (Reply 28):
According to aviation safety network its B-22817, Delivered only 2 months ago?
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:25 pm

Quoting varsity (Reply 20):
Commas are your friends, news people:

BREAKING: Dutch military plane, carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash, lands in Eindhoven.

Two characters makes for a very different sentence.

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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:56 pm

It seems like Asian airlines love operating in typhoon's. SQ006 in TPE, CI642 in HKG, and several others. If they want to operate in bad weather, more power to them, but they should at least make sure travelers are aware of the risks, and allow them to take other flights. I don't want to say that bad weather was the cause of the crash, but I would guess that it will not be left out of the report.
 
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Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:15 pm

Registration now changed to B-22810 on aviation saftey network. 14 years in service.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:16 pm

local news agencies have organised related images:
http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS3/8823710.shtml
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:23 pm

Quoting airplanedaj (Reply 34):
It seems like Asian airlines love operating in typhoon's.

None of those flights, nor this one, were "operating in typhoon's".

The flights were all far from the typhoon, but receiving some of the remnants of the storm as rain and slightly higher than normal winds. Just as flights do in the US when hurricanes pass various airports, and in most of the world after storms pass.

As noted above - today another ATR landed safely without difficulty before the crash at this airport.

Those other flights were not the only ones operating from those airports either.

I'm certain weather and limited visibility contributed to today's crash, but it wasn't a death flight certain to crash.
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:34 pm

Quoting varsity (Reply 20):
Commas are your friends, news people:

BREAKING: Dutch military plane, carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash, lands in Eindhoven.

Two characters makes for a very different sentence.

Think before you tweet. Or at least proof read.
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:51 pm

It has been reported that 48 people including 4 crew members and 2 French were killed, while another 10 seriously injured were sent to hospital.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:00 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 36):
Think before you tweet. Or at least proof read.

It's more the "how can this be misinterpreted?" angle than anything else. As originally written, it means what they intended it to mean. It's just very easily interpreted as something entirely different.
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:55 pm

Some eye witnesses are saying the plane "slammed to the ground" from about 300 ft after attempting to go around. Poor visibility due to heavy rains seemed to have been an issue. Details change with every news report so no idea if that's true or not.

They are calling for Penghu residents to donate blood as there's not enough in storage.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:19 pm

No ground injuries/fatalities??? Those houses look pretty damaged!
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:45 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 41):
No ground injuries/fatalities??? Those houses look pretty damaged!

The buildings were apparently empty.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:59 am

Quoting CdnCactus (Reply 40):
Some eye witnesses are saying the plane "slammed to the ground" from about 300 ft after attempting to go around.

Maybe wind shear?
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:02 am

Local media is reporting that eye witnesses said they saw "sparks" prior to the crash.

Quote:
...villagers who had witnessed the crash reporting that sparks were seen in the air before the plane attempted to land.

Source

[Edited 2014-07-23 23:03:04]
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:22 am

Looking at the pictures of the cockpit..... I doubt the pilots survived.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:12 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 25):
Wonder why they took off in the first place with a Typhoon hitting their destination...

It's very typical for normal ops during typhoons here in Asia.
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:13 pm

Has it been said already but this was the third loss of a Transasia ATR-72 after 1995 and 2002?
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:00 pm

FAIK , The other two flights only had crew onboard (who did not survive). One was a repositioning flight that mistook a road in Taoyuan for a runway, while landing VFR into Taipei Sungshan airport and the other was on a cargo flight that encountered icing over the Taiwan straits near Penghu and crashed into the sea.

ATR had previously had icing problems with their planes.
 
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RE: TransAsia Airways ATR-72 Crashed In Taiwan

Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:22 pm

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 44):
...villagers who had witnessed the crash reporting that sparks were seen in the air before the plane attempted to land.

Lightning strike?!

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