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2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:14 am

I was bored and started pivoting some US gov't RITA/BTS data on key international routes and thought I'd post it here. The data is for 2013 and represents the load factor (passengers/avail seats) on int'l routes originating from the US. I have the data down to the airline level. High load factors don't necessarily mean profitable flights (and low load factors don't necessarily mean unprofitable flights), but I thought this data was interesting nonetheless.

A few observations: I think SAN and SJC should be worried about the NRT flights. CVG's flight to CDG isn't doing so hot. IAD and IAH don't fill up the plane on most routes, but probably have the premium class to make up for it. ATL, LAX and SFO are pretty high load factors across the board.

I'll list the data by top 10 international destinations, sorted by load factor. I'm sure I'll put more data up later when I have more time.

To: LHR
#1 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
MIA 90%
LAS 89%
SFO 88%
DFW 88%
LAX 87%
SAN 85%
ATL 85%
CLT 85%
SEA 84%
DEN 84%
BOS 82%
MSP 82%
BWI 82%
RDU 80%
PHX 80%
ORD 80%
DTW 79%
JFK 78%
PHL 77%
EWR 76%
IAH 76%
IAD 75%
Grand Total 81%

To: YYZ
#2 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
LAS 89%
MCO 87%
TPA 87%
RSW 86%
PHX 84%
SFO 84%
SAN 83%
FLL 83%
IAD 83%
LAX 83%
SRQ 83%
PBI 82%
IAH 81%
MIA 81%
CLT 79%
SEA 78%
ORD 78%
DEN 77%
EWR 75%
ATL 75%
MSY 75%
DTW 74%
JFK 74%
PHL 70%
BNA 70%
DCA 68%
MSP 68%
BOS 65%
LGA 65%
DFW 65%
STL 62%
BWI 62%
CLE 61%
RDU 58%
PIT 56%
CMH 54%
IND 54%
CVG 52%
BDL 52%
MKE 39%
Grand Total 76%

To: NRT
#3 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
IAH 88%
MSP 87%
DEN 87%
ATL 87%
EWR 86%
DTW 86%
LAX 83%
DFW 81%
HNL 81%
PDX 81%
SPN 81%
GUM 80%
SFO 80%
ORD 76%
SEA 76%
JFK 75%
IAD 72%
BOS 71%
SJC 71%
SAN 69%
Grand Total 80%

To: FRA
#4 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
LAX 90%
LAS 89%
SFO 88%
MIA 86%
CLT 86%
BOS 86%
SEA 85%
MCO 84%
DFW 84%
ANC 84%
DEN 84%
ORD 83%
ATL 82%
IAD 82%
SJU 82%
JFK 82%
EWR 81%
IAH 81%
DTW 79%
PHL 77%
Grand Total 83%

To: CDG
#5 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
MIA 90%
ATL 89%
JFK 88%
SFO 88%
SLC 88%
LAX 87%
EWR 87%
MSP 85%
DFW 85%
DTW 83%
IAD 83%
CLT 82%
ORD 82%
BOS 82%
SEA 80%
PIT 78%
IAH 76%
PHL 76%
CVG 71%
Grand Total 85%

To: CUN
#6 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
PHX 91%
ORD 90%
STL 90%
MKE 90%
ATL 88%
LAX 88%
IAH 88%
CLT 87%
EWR 87%
MSP 87%
DEN 86%
FLL 86%
BOS 86%
SFO 86%
IAD 85%
DFW 85%
DTW 83%
PHL 83%
JFK 82%
BWI 81%
CVG 81%
MIA 79%
MCO 79%
MCI 78%
CLE 76%
PIT 75%
MDW 75%
SAT 69%
AUS 67%
Grand Total 85%

To: MEX
#7 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
LAX 85%
SFO 82%
EWR 79%
DTW 79%
ATL 78%
ORD 77%
PHX 76%
JFK 76%
LAS 75%
MIA 74%
SAT 73%
IAH 72%
DEN 72%
MCO 71%
SAN 70%
DFW 70%
SNA 69%
MDW 68%
CLT 67%
IAD 65%
Grand Total 75%

To: ICN
#8 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
DTW 86%
SFO 81%
LAX 79%
JFK 79%
ATL 79%
IAD 78%
SEA 78%
ORD 76%
DFW 76%
GUM 76%
SPN 76%
LAS 74%
HNL 71%
Grand Total 78%

To: AMS
#9 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
ATL 92%
SFO 89%
MSP 88%
LAX 87%
JFK 86%
EWR 85%
DTW 85%
SEA 84%
PDX 83%
BOS 82%
DFW 81%
ORD 80%
IAH 80%
IAD 80%
PHL 78%
SFB 46%
MIA 46%
Grand Total 84%

To: YVR
#10 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
IAH 88%
ANC 86%
PSP 86%
HNL 85%
ORD 85%
LAX 84%
DFW 84%
OGG 84%
LAS 83%
MSP 83%
SLC 83%
KOA 82%
DEN 82%
SFO 82%
PHX 81%
SNA 80%
EWR 77%
SEA 75%
LIH 73%
JFK 71%
PDX 67%
Grand Total 81%

US AIRPORTS WITH MORE THAN 300,000 INT'L PASSENGERS IN 2013 -
SORTED BY LOAD FACTOR TO ALL INT'L DESTINATIONS


ATL 85%
LAX 84%
SFO 84%
CLT 83%
MSP 82%
LAS 82%
EWR 82%
DTW 82%
JFK 81%
DEN 81%
MCO 81%
SAN 80%
MIA 80%
ORD 80%
FLL 80%
SPN 79%
PHL 79%
SEA 79%
DFW 79%
PHX 79%
BOS 78%
IAH 77%
STI 77%
BWI 77%
IAD 77%
HNL 77%
GUM 76%
SJU 67%
LGA 65%
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:37 am

Interesting info -- thanks for the work. I assume this is the average LF for the entire year?

I am surprised by the low LF on the SAN-NRT route. I have never seen any actual numbers regarding the service but the fact that it's still op'ing daily and year-round, plus comments made by (I thought) reliable sources stating that things were looking good on the route that started in late 2012, it seems like things were good. Of course they still may be since, as you noted, LF is not THE determining factor for a successful route..

It would be helpful to find out how the LF varied during the year -- the effective high and low months. I know that with BA, we see high LFs in the mid 90s for many months, and the low for the year in the mid-70s in February - I guess the overall annual average works out to be 85%. Possibly JL has many good months and just one really bad month...?

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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:09 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
It would be helpful to find out how the LF varied during the year -- the effective high and low months. I know that with BA, we see high LFs in the mid 90s for many months, and the low for the year in the mid-70s in February - I guess the overall annual average works out to be 85%. Possibly JL has many good months and just one really bad month...?

Here's by month for SAN-NRT (all on JL).

Row Labels Sum of Load Factor
January 78%
February 60%
March 57%
April 53%
May 77%
June 86%
July 63%
August 69%
September 68%
October 69%
November 69%
December 73%
Grand Total 69%

It was pretty constant for the last half of 2013.

Going the other way (NRT-SAN) showed slightly high load factors, by about 3 percentage points. Likely people flying into SAN and potentially flying out of LAX, LAS or some other airport...

January 85%
February 53%
March 54%
April 63%
May 56%
June 76%
July 89%
August 85%
September 77%
October 68%
November 72%
December 75%
Grand Total 72%
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:28 am

Here are the top airlines by international load factors (to and from the US, minimum 200,000 annual pax):
Alaska Airlines Inc. 88%
Lan Ecuador 88%
Klm Royal Dutch Airlines 88%
Aerovias Nacl De Colombia 88%
Austrian Airlines 87%
Swiss International Airlines 87%
Condor Flugdienst 87%
Compagnie Natl Air France 87%
China Eastern Airlines 87%
Air New Zealand 86%
China Southern Airlines 86%
Lan Peru Airlines 86%
Transportes Aeros Meridiona 85%
Frontier Airlines Inc. 85%
Eva Airways Corporation 85%
Lufthansa German Airlines 85%
Air China 85%
British Airways Plc 85%
Caribbean Airlines Limited 85%
El Al Israel Airlines Ltd. 84%
Tap-Portuguese Airlines 84%
Lacsa 84%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 84%
Polskie Linie Lotnicze 83%
Emirates 83%
Aer Lingus Plc 83%
Scandinavian Airlines Sys. 83%
Air Berlin 83%
Spirit Air Lines 82%
Icelandair 82%
Alitalia 82%
Qatar Airways (Q.C.S.C) 82%
Singapore Airlines Ltd. 82%
Lan-Chile Airlines 82%
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. 82%
US Airways Inc. 82%
Qantas Airways Ltd. 81%
Santa Barbara Airlines, C.A 81%
United Air Lines Inc. 81%
Turk Hava Yollari A.O. 81%
SkyWest Airlines Inc. 81%
Air Canada 81%
Taca International Airlines 81%
American Airlines Inc. 80%
Volaris 80%
Iberia Air Lines Of Spain 80%
Virgin Atlantic Airways 80%
JetBlue Airways 80%
Compass Airlines 80%
Westjet 80%
Air Tahiti Nui 79%
Japan Air Lines Co. Ltd. 79%
V Australia 79%
Etihad Airways 79%
ExpressJet Airlines Inc. 79%
China Airlines Ltd. 79%
Asiana Airlines Inc. 79%
Air India 79%
GoJet Airlines, LLC d/b/a United Express 79%
Shuttle America Corp. 79%
Aeroflot Russian Airlines 78%
Jetstar Airways Pty Limited 78%
Philippine Airlines Inc. 77%
AirTran Airways Corporation 77%
All Nippon Airways Co. 76%
Aerolineas Argentinas 76%
South African Airways 76%
Korean Air Lines Co. Ltd. 76%
Aeromexico 76%
Horizon Air 75%
Compania Panamena (Copa) 75%
Endeavor Air Inc. 75%
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp 75%
Republic Airlines 74%
Sky King Inc. 73%
Royal Jordanian 72%
Hawaiian Airlines Inc. 71%
Saudi Arabian Airlines Corp 71%
Envoy Air 70%
Sun Country Airlines 70%
Interjet 70%
Bahamasair Holding Limited 69%
Aerolitoral 67%
Jazz Aviation LP 63%
Caribbean Sun Airlines, Inc. d/b/a World Atlantic Airlines 62%
Cayman Airways Limited 62%
Porter Airlines, Inc. 60%
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:30 am

the Load factors might be indicative of originating traffic BUT? What are the yields on Said Traffic??. To Bypass LAX-NRT for SAN-NRT might be a wise choice for the airlines flying the route as they might have a little higher fare than they might command from LAX due to competition. SJC -NET might command More Premium Service because Silicon Valley HAS the "Bread" to support such service. If One is looking for a bargain? Fly SFO-NRT. .. , What We can't know is What are the BELF on secondary hubs vs megahubs??
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:56 am

This is quite interesting as you can determine LF for hub airlines on monopoly routes.

- Seems the DL/AF/KL JV is doing quite well on loads out of ATL on their monopoly+megahub routes.
- KE loads to ICN out of ATL yet they are still sending the A380. Korean manufacturing in the SE and the related travel contracts dictate the A380 vs a 744?
- ATL-AMS 4x daily on KL/DL and avg 92% LF on 763/A333 mix. Wow.
- ATL top of the list for international LF, nice.
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:27 am

Quoting travelin man (Thread starter):
To: LHR
#1 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
MIA 90%

I'm sorry if I sound dumb. But I'm a bit confused.. What exactly does this mean? MIA is the biggest market to LHR? I thought it was JFK.. Again, sorry if I sound dumb.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:41 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 6):
Quoting travelin man (Thread starter):
To: LHR
#1 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
MIA 90%

I'm sorry if I sound dumb. But I'm a bit confused.. What exactly does this mean? MIA is the biggest market to LHR? I thought it was JFK.. Again, sorry if I sound dumb.

What it means is that LHR is the leading international destination, and MIA flights to LHR have a 90% load factor. MIA is not the leading market to LHR, but it has the highest load factor of any US airport with flights to LHR.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:44 am

Quoting prosa (Reply 7):

I see, thank you very much. I appreciate that.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:45 am

Quoting prosa (Reply 7):
What it means is that LHR is the leading international destination, and MIA flights to LHR have a 90% load factor. MIA is not the leading market to LHR, but it has the highest load factor of any US airport with flights to LHR.

LHR is the largest foreign market for the US as a whole. Within US-LHR to MIA-LHR subset has a 90% load factors. This is not indicative of overall volumes from the US to LHR, where NYC-LHR is by far the larger market.
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:48 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 6):
I'm sorry if I sound dumb. But I'm a bit confused.. What exactly does this mean? MIA is the biggest market to LHR? I thought it was JFK.. Again, sorry if I sound dumb.

Not quite. Look at what AA, BA, etc are flying on JFK-LHR, and what they're flying MIA-LHR. I think there are more flights on JFK-LHR than MIA-LHR.

I think BA alone had something like 8 or so daily departures, almost entirely on a 777 or 744 (and/or an A380 as well)?

I don't know if BA flies A380s to MIA. I know they fly the 744 there though.

Here's more food for thought. Look at the CDG flights. PIT-CDG has a higher load factor at 78% than PHL-CDG. which was 76% according to this data. Is PIT-CDG bigger than PHL-CDG? (I seriously hope I don't have to answer this!!) PIT-CDG is seasonal and once daily on a DL 757. PHL-CDG, on the other hand, is not only run with a DL 757, but it's also a US/AA t'atl hub route with multiple widebodies flying it.

Obviously, the PHL flights are carrying way more people, but the LF is diluted by the amount of frequencies and aircraft type used by the given airlines flying the route.

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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:03 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):

The JL load factors for 2013 are adversely impacted by 787 grounding. Recall JL subbed 4x weekly 787s with 3x weekly 772s. They capped the 777 flights at 186 which explains the lower loads during the months it operated.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:05 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 10):
I don't know if BA flies A380s to MIA. I know they fly the 744 there though.

BA currently doesn't serve MIA with the A380. That's still in the mix.. Bound to happen anytime though.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 10):
I think BA alone had something like 8 or so daily departures, almost entirely on a 777 or 744 (and/or an A380 as well)?

BA has 2 daily flights to MIA year round. With an additional flight added during the winter season.

BA currently does not use the A380 to JFK.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:07 am

Quoting travelin man (Thread starter):
To: CDG
#5 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
MIA 90%

Wait a minute... If MIA-CDG has the best load factor from the US... Why don't we see a double daily flight from AF. And better yet a A380 ???      
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:12 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 2):

Corrected JL SAN-NRT-SAN monthly LFs

Jan 89%
Feb 56% (777 op)
Mar 56% (777 op)
Apr 58% (777 op)
May 67% (777 op)
Jun 81% (begin daily 787)
Jul 76%
Aug 77%
Sep 73%
Oct 68%
Nov 71%
Dec 74%

Ttl 71%
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:11 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 2):
Here's by month for SAN-NRT (all on JL).

Thank you for the additional data! That helps a lot and it seems logical.

Plus, this post is a very important factor in regards to the numbers as well:

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 11):
The JL load factors for 2013 are adversely impacted by 787 grounding.

I thought of this just after my original post but wasn't able to get to this site until just now. Thanks so much for bringing this up. I'm positive that the grounding of the a/c impacted this brand new route in several ways. We'll see if the complete 2014 numbers reflect this -- I'm betting they do.

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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:44 am

What are this year's load factors for NH SJC-NRT? How about SAN-NRT? Now that each route has had time to grow and the 787 problems are long behind, is each building up successfully?

One thing I noticed is that PDX flights to NRT and AMS have healthy load factors, as does SLC-CDG. People have speculated that DL will discontinue SLC-CDG and PDX-NRT.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:52 am

Very interesting, thanks for taking the time to pull and post the data. Am I to understand these are how nonstop flights rank according to load factor?

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 4):
the Load factors might be indicative of originating traffic BUT? What are the yields on Said Traffic


  

Have to be careful of what you infer from load factor alone. There's a considerable host of other factors that play into a routes overall performance such as cargo, premium demand, competition...etc.

CVG-CDG for example: lots of cargo and full BizElite cabins make the flight a strong performer despite low average year-round loads. I was actually surprised to see the load factors on the flight were that high seeing as connecting traffic has become but a trickle.
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:02 am

interesting, thanks for posting.

I am curious to see what IAH-NRT looks like (#1 in your list...) now with the extra flights UA added.

Being that IAH is a bit higher on the premium/biz demand to many places those numbers seem healthy IMO.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:16 am

Quoting travelin man (Thread starter):
CVG's flight to CDG isn't doing so hot.
Quoting travelin man (Thread starter):
CVG 71%

Subsidized by P&G, so that's why.

Quoting travelin man (Reply 2):
June 86%
July 63%

This is what confuses me. June is the worst weather month in Japan, and July is noted as being one of the top months for international tourists, despite the oppressive heat. I wonder what's causing this.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:01 am

Couple of notes on RDU..

Didn't realize the LHR loads were that high... All I have to say is, with or without subsidies, that's pretty good. Plus with the cargo loads it takes, that's a good self sufficient flight. If the subsidies are in use, the flight is gangbusters. If the subsidies are not in flight, that's some pretty good numbers.. Either kinda way, bravo.

The YYZ numbers look terrible! 56% load? I always thought the numbers were more decent than that... Guess with those numbers, well always have just CRJs....

The CUN flights don't show up... Is that because it's Sat only or were they not running during this timeframe?
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:09 am

Is MIA-AMS correct? Only 46%?
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:14 am

Now does anyone have the Total Available Seat Miles/Kilometers for the same city pairs. Would be interesting to compare total capacity available in comparison to seat load factors.

DTW has 86% SLF on DTW-ICN, next city on the list is 5pp behind.

Also, is FRA really the 4th most served INTL destination from the US? I find that surprising.

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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:59 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 21):
Is MIA-AMS correct? Only 46%?



You need to look at MIA-AMS and SFB-AMS as one destination or one flight.

SFB and MIA are served on a 2x/weekly from AMS on a triangle flight by Arke B763 AMS-MIA-SFB-AMS, so the load factor is most likely 46% + 46% = 92%.

To: AMS
#9 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
SFB 46%
MIA 46%
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:29 am

What's with Air canada and all those sub-60% LF out of YYZ ? They really can use some capacity discipline
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:38 am

Quoting factsonly (Reply 23):
SFB and MIA are served on a 2x/weekly from AMS on a triangle flight by Arke B763 AMS-MIA-SFB-AMS, so the load factor is most likely 46% + 46% = 92%.

Thanks. That makes a lot more sense.

I am really surprised that neither KLM nor AA serve AMS from MIA though.
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:38 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 3):
Here are the top airlines by international load factors (to and from the US, minimum 200,000 annual pax):
Alaska Airlines Inc. 88%
Lan Ecuador 88%
Klm Royal Dutch Airlines 88%
Aerovias Nacl De Colombia 88%
Austrian Airlines 87%
Swiss International Airlines 87%
Condor Flugdienst 87%
Compagnie Natl Air France 87%
China Eastern Airlines 87%
Air New Zealand 86%
China Southern Airlines 86%
Lan Peru Airlines 86%
Transportes Aeros Meridiona 85%
Frontier Airlines Inc. 85%
Eva Airways Corporation 85%
Lufthansa German Airlines 85%
Air China 85%
British Airways Plc 85%
Caribbean Airlines Limited 85%
El Al Israel Airlines Ltd. 84%
Tap-Portuguese Airlines 84%
Lacsa 84%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 84%
Polskie Linie Lotnicze 83%
Emirates 83%
Aer Lingus Plc 83%
Scandinavian Airlines Sys. 83%
Air Berlin 83%
Spirit Air Lines 82%
Icelandair 82%
Alitalia 82%
Qatar Airways (Q.C.S.C) 82%
Singapore Airlines Ltd. 82%
Lan-Chile Airlines 82%
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. 82%
US Airways Inc. 82%
Qantas Airways Ltd. 81%
Santa Barbara Airlines, C.A 81%
United Air Lines Inc. 81%
Turk Hava Yollari A.O. 81%
SkyWest Airlines Inc. 81%
Air Canada 81%
Taca International Airlines 81%
American Airlines Inc. 80%
Volaris 80%
Iberia Air Lines Of Spain 80%
Virgin Atlantic Airways 80%
JetBlue Airways 80%
Compass Airlines 80%
Westjet 80%
Air Tahiti Nui 79%
Japan Air Lines Co. Ltd. 79%
V Australia 79%
Etihad Airways 79%
ExpressJet Airlines Inc. 79%
China Airlines Ltd. 79%
Asiana Airlines Inc. 79%
Air India 79%
GoJet Airlines, LLC d/b/a United Express 79%
Shuttle America Corp. 79%
Aeroflot Russian Airlines 78%
Jetstar Airways Pty Limited 78%
Philippine Airlines Inc. 77%
AirTran Airways Corporation 77%
All Nippon Airways Co. 76%
Aerolineas Argentinas 76%
South African Airways 76%
Korean Air Lines Co. Ltd. 76%
Aeromexico 76%
Horizon Air 75%
Compania Panamena (Copa) 75%
Endeavor Air Inc. 75%
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp 75%
Republic Airlines 74%
Sky King Inc. 73%
Royal Jordanian 72%
Hawaiian Airlines Inc. 71%
Saudi Arabian Airlines Corp 71%
Envoy Air 70%
Sun Country Airlines 70%
Interjet 70%
Bahamasair Holding Limited 69%
Aerolitoral 67%
Jazz Aviation LP 63%
Caribbean Sun Airlines, Inc. d/b/a World Atlantic Airlines 62%
Cayman Airways Limited 62%
Porter Airlines, Inc. 60%

I don't see AF in this list ?
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:15 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
The CUN flights don't show up... Is that because it's Sat only or were they not running during this timeframe?

None of the Saturday-only CUN flights to other markets are on the list.
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:37 pm

87% DEN-NRT on a 787 has got to be very good news. Fares on the DEN n/s are also quite a bit higher than DFW, IAH or ORD non-stops.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:54 pm

IAD-NRT at 72% ... UA+NH really need to right size this market. If JL jumps in it'll only get worse ... much worse.

Quoting travelin man (Thread starter):
To: FRA
#4 International Destination by Passengers from the US
From:
CLT 86%
PHL 77%

And this was when USAir was still in *A. Both LH and US will need to trim some at PHL.

Quoting travelin man (Thread starter):
US AIRPORTS WITH MORE THAN 300,000 INT'L PASSENGERS IN 2013 -
SORTED BY LOAD FACTOR TO ALL INT'L DESTINATIONS

DFW 79%
IAH 77%

With the very rapid expansion of ME3 at DFW, plus all the new AA services to Far East, I wonder if this 79% can be maintained.
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:00 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 29):
IAD-NRT at 72% ... UA+NH really need to right size this market. If JL jumps in it'll only get worse ... much worse.

If UA remains holding a hub at IAD, JL won't jump in.

NH should send their 789 here, and have UA send the 788.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:03 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 28):
87% DEN-NRT on a 787 has got to be very good news.

When did DEN-NRT start? Was that a full year of data for 2013?

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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 31):
When did DEN-NRT start? Was that a full year of data for 2013?

IIRC first route launched by UA when they received their 787s, so that had to have been early late 2012.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:11 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 24):
What's with Air canada and all those sub-60% LF out of YYZ ? They really can use some capacity discipline

Does Porter and YTZ service factor in on this????
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:13 pm

Is there any numbers avtailable to CPH, OSL and ARN from the US?
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:17 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 32):
IIRC first route launched by UA when they received their 787s, so that had to have been early late 2012.

787s were all grounded from late Jan 2013 thru late April 2013.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:14 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 33):
Does Porter and YTZ service factor in on this????

Possibly. But if you look at the bottom of the YYZ list, I think most of the really low sub-60% performers are AC-only markets.
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:37 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
The CUN flights don't show up... Is that because it's Sat only or were they not running during this timeframe?

I filtered out any routes with fewer than 10,000 passengers in a year so that charters, diversions, and other non-regularly schedule flights wouldn't show up. The RDU-CUN numbers are:
RDU-CUN 81% 1213 passengers on 1492 seats

Quoting goldorak (Reply 26):
I don't see AF in this list ?

For whatever reason the government lists it as:

Quoting travelin man (Reply 3):
Compagnie Natl Air France87%
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 27):
None of the Saturday-only CUN flights to other markets are on the list.

Here is the data from CUN (should be similar to the data for all these cities going to CUN), including all the cities that have 1,000 or more annual passengers:
Row Labels Load Factor
SLC 93%
ORD 91%
EWR 90%
STL 89%
PHX 89%
IAD 89%
IAH 89%
MKE 89%
ATL 88%
CMH 87%
LAX 87%
SFO 87%
DEN 86%
CLT 86%
IND 86%
MSY 85%
FLL 85%
MSP 85%
DFW 85%
MCO 85%
TPA 84%
PHL 83%
DTW 83%
RFD 82%
BOS 82%
CLE 82%
BWI 81%
JFK 81%
BDL 81%
MIA 80%
BNA 80%
MEM 79%
CVG 79%
MCI 79%
PIT 75%
LAN 75%
MDW 75%
RDU 72%
SAT 72%
AUS 71%
SJU 60%
Grand Total 85%

Quoting someone83 (Reply 34):
Is there any numbers avtailable to CPH, OSL and ARN from the US?

From Oslo:
Destination Load Factor Sum of PASSENGERS
FLL 95% 2,763
JFK 94% 25,006
EWR 85% 114,452
Grand Total 87% 142,221

From Copenhagen:
Destination Load Factor Sum of PASSENGERS
JFK 96% 18,668
FLL 91% 2,654
SFO 87% 46,538
EWR 84% 106,806
STX 83% 1,508
IAD 79% 66,973
ORD 76% 61,265
Grand Total 82% 304,412

From Stockholm:
Destination Load Factor Sum of PASSENGERS
FLL 96% 2,505
JFK 93% 33,339
EWR 88% 116,478
ORD 81% 67,918
Grand Total 87% 220,240
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:53 pm

Anyone know where Dubai ranks on the list of international destinations from the USA?
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:24 pm

Quoting Malayil (Reply 38):
Anyone know where Dubai ranks on the list of international destinations from the USA?

DXB ranks #20 in passengers from the US. Keep in mind that this is passenger data for non-stop flights, not O&D data. The following is sorted by the number of passengers to International destinations from the US:
Row Labels Sum of PASSENGERS Load Factor
LHR 7,055,140 81%
YYZ 4,659,143 75%
NRT 4,069,729 80%
FRA 3,242,077 83%
CDG 3,118,344 85%
CUN 3,027,978 85%
MEX 2,925,913 75%
ICN 2,365,692 78%
AMS 2,329,620 84%
YVR 2,187,369 81%
YUL 1,646,719 76%
GRU 1,556,167 82%
YYC 1,439,546 79%
HKG 1,219,715 86%
GDL 1,195,542 82%
PTY 1,185,309 76%
MBJ 1,113,590 83%
SJD 1,071,908 81%
PEK 1,058,187 84%
DXB 1,029,959 81%
NAS 1,019,643 76%
SDQ 1,019,145 77%
PUJ 983,849 85%
MUC 977,150 84%
BOG 975,034 83%
PVG 943,606 86%
TPE 942,809 83%
MAD 942,610 82%
SJO 877,308 84%
ZRH 870,783 84%
DUB 860,196 85%
SYD 841,747 80%
FCO 836,418 85%
LIM 816,587 84%
SAL 793,202 77%
EZE 717,941 81%
TLV 710,822 88%
CCS 629,473 81%
MAN 625,297 86%
YEG 624,320 83%
PVR 620,698 86%
AUA 615,314 86%
LGW 598,988 81%
IST 588,172 81%
KIX 584,961 75%
GUA 574,724 79%
GIG 554,904 80%
BRU 549,313 78%
HND 513,002 78%
PAP 503,026 79%
STI 498,630 75%
DUS 480,802 82%
POS 434,456 88%
KIN 411,491 82%
SCL 410,335 82%
MTY 404,911 71%
YOW 396,540 74%
MNL 395,187 76%
SXM 374,700 85%
GCM 374,259 72%
AKL 371,009 84%
NGO 362,103 77%
YTZ 358,150 60%
SVO 356,746 79%
KEF 354,271 83%
BCN 348,627 86%
DOH 334,393 79%
MGA 305,526 80%
CPH 304,965 83%
BDA 302,565 70%
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:41 pm

Quoting travelin man (Reply 39):
YTZ 358,150 60%

Here's the poor LF of Porter Air
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:59 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 40):
Here's the poor LF of Porter Air

Indeed, Porter has miserable LFs across the board from the US:
Origin Load Factor Passengers
EWR 66% 176,170
MYR 61% 2,984
MDW 58% 70,212
BOS 57% 74,172
IAD 51% 33,413
BTV 45% 1,855
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:33 pm

More fun with numbers. Here are the passengers & load factors by airline for the top 10 international routes to/from the US. These are bi-directional figures (so they account for both arriving and departing flights):

Row Labels Sum of PASSENGERS Load Factor
1. JFK-LHR 2,961,233 78%
British Airways Plc 1,280,157 84%
Virgin Atlantic Airways 673,105 79%
American Airlines Inc. 570,309 71%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 378,399 74%
Kuwait Airways Corp. 57,712 68%
Titan Airways 1,551 93%

2. HNL-NRT 1,549,672 81%
Japan Air Lines Co. Ltd. 441,156 82%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 413,507 84%
China Airlines Ltd. 215,073 75%
United Air Lines Inc. 185,122 82%
Korean Air Lines Co. Ltd. 157,633 76%
Air Japan Co 97,777 86%
All Nippon Airways Co. 39,404 87%

3. LAX-LHR 1,432,153 86%
British Airways Plc 556,482 90%
Virgin Atlantic Airways 351,284 85%
Air New Zealand 207,043 86%
American Airlines Inc. 176,889 86%
United Air Lines Inc. 140,455 75%

4. CDG-JFK 1,386,709 88%
Air France 930,994 90%
American Airlines Inc. 229,481 85%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 146,534 87%
XL Airways France 79,700 82%

5. LAX-NRT 1,180,227 84%
Singapore Airlines Ltd. 280,827 84%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 182,951 94%
United Air Lines Inc. 153,598 87%
All Nippon Airways Co. 151,403 83%
Japan Air Lines Co. Ltd. 147,634 83%
American Airlines Inc. 146,558 84%
Malaysian Airline System 92,961 79%
Korean Air Lines Co. Ltd. 24,295 61%

6. LHR-ORD 1,144,778 80%
American Airlines Inc. 474,551 81%
United Air Lines Inc. 306,007 71%
British Airways Plc 298,804 88%
Virgin Atlantic Airways 65,416 81%

7. EWR-LHR 1,142,192 75%
United Air Lines Inc. 499,261 75%
British Airways Plc 321,609 81%
Virgin Atlantic Airways 321,322 70%

8. LGA-YYZ 1,085,528 64%
Air Canada 543,214 72%
Westjet 309,799 55%
Envoy Air 214,863 61%
Jazz Aviation LP 17,652 83%

9. LAX-SYD 1,067,179 81%
Qantas Airways Ltd. 480,360 80%
United Air Lines Inc. 213,153 82%
Virgin Blue International Airlines t/a V Australia 203,331 79%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 170,335 87%

10. GUM-NRT 1,021,990 80%
United Air Lines Inc. 502,178 77%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 308,421 84%
Japan Air Lines Co. Ltd. 142,229 82%
Korean Air Lines Co. Ltd. 63,746 90%
China Airlines Ltd. 5,416 67%
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:40 pm

Hey travelin man, again this is great stuff. If the request line is open, any chance of seeing some YYC-US numbers? (I, of course, am most interested in YYC-SAN since I've never heard anything about how that route is doing for WS.)

'Preciate it if you should have a chance to check this out. Thanx.

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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:29 pm

Quoting travelin man (Reply 37):
From Oslo:

Thank you  
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:47 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):

Hey travelin man, again this is great stuff. If the request line is open, any chance of seeing some YYC-US numbers? (I, of course, am most interested in YYC-SAN since I've never heard anything about how that route is doing for WS.)

No problemo. I like sifting through data. Here are the bi-directional figures:

Row Labels Sum of PASSENGERS Load Factor
SAN-YYC 56,720 83%
Westjet 56,720 83%


For fun here is all of YYC-US (bi-directional):
Row Labels Sum of PASSENGERS Load Factor
IAH-YYC 416,465 73%
LAS-YYC 342,193 86%
PHX-YYC 332,490 81%
LAX-YYC 265,464 83%
ORD-YYC 230,301 80%
DEN-YYC 189,848 75%
DFW-YYC 184,609 72%
SFO-YYC 183,157 89%
SEA-YYC 154,731 80%
PSP-YYC 125,144 80%
MSP-YYC 121,241 81%
EWR-YYC 89,538 76%
SLC-YYC 71,077 75%
OGG-YYC 68,584 87%
SAN-YYC 56,720 83%
MCO-YYC 26,812 86%
PDX-YYC 16,150 72%
HNL-YYC 13,834 89%
MIA-YYC 7,363 65%
ATL-YYC 2,750 83%
IFP-YYC 2,545 71%
Grand Total 2,901,016 80%
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:57 pm

I didn't know that DUB was the 8th busiest European airport from US. Ahead of some bigger cities by population like Rome, Vienna and Brussels.

Quoting travelin man (Reply 42):

At a glance it seems UA's load factors on on routes to LHR lag behind the competition on a direct basis ie out of EWR, LAX and ORD
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:10 pm

Quoting travelin man (Reply 41):
ndeed, Porter has miserable LFs across the board from the US:
Origin Load Factor Passengers
EWR 66% 176,170
MYR 61% 2,984
MDW 58% 70,212
BOS 57% 74,172
IAD 51% 33,413
BTV 45% 1,855

The loads used to be even worse - check 2010 loads. They were in the 20's to 40's

Still 74000 passengers is 100 passengers a day taken away from AC and the American legacies.
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:14 pm

Great to see DEN is ahead of the curve Intl. load factor wise. I am surprised though, that nothing DEN-MEX can really stick. I know that UA, MX, AM and Y4 have all tried it over the years with out any one having a lasting, year round go of it. I guess that explains the 74% LF. Otherwise, not bad for a city that a mere 20 years ago had just a few token dailys to YVR and YYC, a couple weekly flights to Mexican west coast beach destinations, and 2 or 3 weekly flights to Gatwick. Hoping DEN can get an AMS, CDG, possibly a return to ICN, maybe another LHR flight and some more Latin routes.

[Edited 2014-07-24 15:19:39]
 
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RE: 2013 Load Factors By Int'l Routes From US

Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:16 pm

Extremely interesting thread. Thanks!

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