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Air Algerie Flight AH5017 Crash

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:02 am

in french: http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-eco/201...-un-avion-parti-de-ouagadougou.php

And now on BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28460625
And Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...geria-flight-idUSKBN0FT0YK20140724


- Flight AH5017 en route from Ouagadougou to Alger
- Air Algerie lost contact with the plane 50 minutes after take off (1:55 GMT)



Air Algerie's communique:
« Air Algérie informe que les services de navigation aérienne ont eu leur dernier contact avec le vol AH 5017 assurant la liaison Ouagadougou-Alger ce jour 24 juillet à 1 heure 55 minutes GMT, soit 50 minutes après son décollage »


And the source from the Algerian Presse Service (official new agency): http://www.aps.dz/les-breves/breves-...urant-la-liaison-ouagadougou-alger

[Edited 2014-07-24 02:26:45]

[Edited 2014-07-24 02:27:50]

[Edited 2014-07-24 02:33:08]
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:07 am

So I assume contact is still lost?
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:08 am

Not another one please:-(
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:12 am

Boeing 737-600 is used for this route
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:14 am

Trying to find out more.
Very little information so far.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:15 am

have been on avherald and aviation-safety and air algerie website. No further info ATM..
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:18 am

It's spreading on French and Algerian news websites:
http://www.radioalgerie.dz/news/fr/article/20140724/8055.html
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:27 am

airlineroute says it was a leased MD-83

http://twitter.com/airlineroute/status/492238940083339264
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:33 am

Air Algerie leased from Spanish ACMI airline Swiftair:
MD-83 EC-JUG (msn 49847)
MD-83 EC-LTV (msn 53190)

[Edited 2014-07-24 03:07:25]

[Edited 2014-07-24 03:07:48]
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:38 am

Here's hoping for a radio failure or something non lethal at least  
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:41 am

Quoting garpd (Reply 12):
Here's hoping for a radio failure or something non lethal at least

Doubt it, the plane should have arrived 5 hours ago in Algiers...  
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:42 am

Quoting garpd (Reply 12):
Here's hoping for a radio failure or something non lethal at least  

Absolutely hoping something similar, otherwise its a very bad week indeed.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:43 am

Quoting garpd (Reply 12):
Here's hoping for a radio failure or something non lethal at least

Yes, but it was apparently supposed to have landed since 5:40GMT
50 minutes after take off should put the plane somewhere in Mali over the Saharan desert.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:44 am

Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 13):
Doubt it, the plane should have arrived 5 hours ago in Algiers...  

That looks very bad. I wonder if it disappeared when flying over Mali, another "hot spot"?
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:44 am

I hate to say it but no contact for over 8 hours looks pretty grim.

Here's hoping they managed to make a successful forced landing somewhere.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:44 am

Not a good week. Reports says it was a 320, so it must be the leased aircraft then?
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:49 am

News at its best... French radio Europe 1 reports a DC9 also known as the B717....

http://www.europe1.fr/International/...parait-des-ecrans-radars-2189247/#
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:52 am

Swiftair apparently confirmed 110 passengers and 6 crew members were on board of the missing plane.

MD-83 operated the flight, registration EC-LTV.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:55 am

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 10):
Air Algerie leased for the summer:
MD-83 EC-JUG (msn 49847) from Spanish ACMI airline Swiftair
A320-200 LY-VEO (cn 558) from Lithuanian ACMI airline Avion Express
EC-JUG should be in Tangier according to Flightradar24:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ec-jug/


Edit, it was another one according the post above.

[Edited 2014-07-24 02:55:44]
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:59 am

Swiftair has issued a note in their website (in Spanish). Hopefully it will not be another tragedy:

http://www.swiftair.com/corporativa/NOTA.pdf
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:01 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 23):

All that confirms is that contact has been lost.
 
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According til fr24 it was an MD83 EC-LTV from Swiftair that is missing. Does anyone know if it was a wet or dry lease?
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:02 am

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 24):
All that confirms is that contact has been lost.

It confirms the aircraft. I have read it was a B737, then a A320, then a B717.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:05 am

I was just looking at some BBC videos in Youtube and noticed a report about this... So many events like this within short time  
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:16 am

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 25):

According til fr24 it was an MD83 EC-LTV from Swiftair that is missing. Does anyone know if it was a wet or dry lease?

It looks like it was a wet lease. Swiftair confirms that it was an MD83 with 110 passenegers on board and 6 crew (2 pilots, 4 flight attendants).
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:16 am

If it disappeared 50 mins after departure I guess it most likely would have been flying over Mali at the time?
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:17 am

If it was flying over a hostile year, what do you think are the chances rebels could have taken "inspiration" from the situation in Ukraine?

Would they have the equipment?

I know it is far too early to say... but planes just disappearing are rare. The majority of accident happen during take off and landing.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:17 am

Algerian media is reporting that the plane was lost over Niger.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:19 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
If it disappeared 50 mins after departure I guess it most likely would have been flying over Mali at the time?

Yes, and I bet we are thinking the same and hoping we are both wrong...
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:21 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 31):

I was wondering that, however to me it seems unlikely the rebels in those countries would have access to anything like the Buk system. More likely they might have some manpads but those don't have the range to shoot down an aircraft from full cruising altitude.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:21 am

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 32):

That's some detour from the flight path....
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:23 am

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 32):
Algerian media is reporting that the plane was lost over Niger.

50 min into a flight from OUA to ALG it should have been over Mali. Unless they were avoiding Mali's airspace and taking a detour over Niger instead...
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:24 am

According to Le Figaro, someone from Air Algerie stated that the plane was near the Algerian border and that they asked the flight crew to change their route due to lack of visibility and to avoid another plane on the Alger - Bamako route. Signal was lost while the plane was changing direction.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:26 am

Quoting sxb (Reply 37):
someone from Air Algerie stated that the plane was near the Algerian border and that they asked the flight crew to change their route due to lack of visibility and to avoid another plane on the Alger - Bamako route. Signal was lost while the plane was changing direction.

But that other plane arrived safely, or not?
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:30 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 31):
If it was flying over a hostile year, what do you think are the chances rebels could have taken "inspiration" from the situation in Ukraine?

Would they have the equipment?

I doubt that there is land based missile system in all of Africa that could take down a commercial aircraft at cruise height.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:34 am

By the way, ALG-BKO would probably not fly over Niger so then the ill-fated flight likely didn't do that either if separation was an issue. Also, would they have managed to reach the Algerian border in 50 minutes? It seems too far.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:37 am

Well that's bad.

I sure hope it's an accident, strange to say.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 31):
I know it is far too early to say... but planes just disappearing are rare. The majority of accident happen during take off and landing.

Depends what you mean by rare, plenty of planes have taken a little while to be found (hours, days) because they fell in uninhabited land (jungle, mountains, or here desert), or over water. We don't call them disparitions now. But I agree that cruise accidents aren't the most common.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:43 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 31):
If it was flying over a hostile year, what do you think are the chances rebels could have taken "inspiration" from the situation in Ukraine?

The only inspiration they could have taken is "don't shoot down civil aircraft by accident". Besides, I'm pretty sure the Russians haven't equipped Mali rebels with state-of-the-art anti-aircraft missiles.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:44 am

The aircraft is a B717 leased from Swiftair, the crew is Spaniard and the great majority of passengers are believed to be French.
Only 2 Algerians on board.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:44 am

Anyone knows what the weather was like on route? I know this is pretty high up north, but Africa is known for some terrible weather at altitude.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:48 am

It is being reported that the plane run out of fuel:

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Algerian media reporting the missing plane is believed to have run out of fuel, despite only being 50 minutes into flight. Not official.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:49 am

Quoting redadeco (Reply 43):

Swiftair does not have any Boeing 717 in their fleet, so I don't think that is correct.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:50 am

Quoting Buyantukhaa (Reply 38):
But that other plane arrived safely, or not?

Let's assume that this other plane arrived safely in Bamako and that we would know by now if the 2 planes had collided. Couldn't find the information on Bamako's airport website.
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:51 am

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 45):

That doesn't make any sense. I bet somebody said that the a/c would have run out of fuel by now and somebody misunderstood this.

Terrible year for aviation, must be one of the worst in this decade for sure.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:51 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 39):
I doubt that there is land based missile system in all of Africa that could take down a commercial aircraft at cruise height.

Plenty systems in Libya. Maybe not as advanced as a Buk but a SA-6 should do. (if you get it working)

Not likely to be the cause though. More like weather.

[Edited 2014-07-24 04:02:28]
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:53 am

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 45):
Swiftair does not have any Boeing 717 in their fleet, so I don't think that is correct.

Indeed they don't:

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Swiftair.htm
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Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:53 am

Quoting acabgd (Reply 44):
Anyone knows what the weather was like on route? I know this is pretty high up north, but Africa is known for some terrible weather at altitude.

According to this source there are some violent thunderstorms and quiet strong winds over northern Burkina Faso (border with Mali) throughout the night and up to this morning.

http://actualite.lachainemeteo.com/a...na-faso-25754.php#reagir_commenter

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