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New KLM Livery

Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:31 pm

Do you know anything about the new livery of KLM?
Has it been actually updated?

I have seen only 1 Embraer in it and no other aircrafts...

Any info?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM-C...d=c31897cbe7d94eaea13bfce42e639171
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:40 pm

It's only for the Cityhopper fleet.

First fokker will have the livery in December I heard. slow pace but eventually all will have them (the cityhoppers)
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RE: New KLM Livery

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:48 pm

Looks to be a very minor change: they moved the cheatline lower near the front/cockpit. Is that all, or am I missing anything else?
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:49 pm

Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 1):
It's only for the Cityhopper fleet.

The 787 will have it too.

[Edited 2014-07-24 14:49:28]
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RE: New KLM Livery

Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):

Indeed, forgot about that...787 too.
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RE: New KLM Livery

Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:54 pm

Quoting ORDfan (Reply 2):
Looks to be a very minor change: they moved the cheatline lower near the front/cockpit. Is that all, or am I missing anything else?

I don't think it's an improvement. It destroys the clean horizontal lines of the aircraft and when you look at the aircraft from the front, the dipping cheatline makes it look like it's frowning and unhappy.
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:32 am

It doesnt make sense to give the Fokkers the livery.

If painting the livery is not based on the nose-shape of the aircraft and also not on mainline or cityhopper,
because the Fokker has an old nose and the 787 is mainline and embraer is cityhopper, then i see not the reason to not do the whole fleet.

[Edited 2014-07-24 17:33:38]
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:41 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
I don't think it's an improvement. It destroys the clean horizontal lines of the aircraft and when you look at the aircraft from the front, the dipping cheatline makes it look like it's frowning and unhappy.

I think it looks the opposite, more like a kind of weird smile/grin, when viewed from the front.


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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting AA94 (Reply 7):
I think it looks the opposite, more like a kind of weird smile/grin, when viewed from the front.

Indeed, that's a wonderful photo to illustrate. I can't wait to see this livery on the 787s!
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting AA94 (Reply 7):
when viewed from the front.

Reminds me of a dolphin's smile!
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:17 am

Call me old-fashioned, but I'd love to see this scheme come back:

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A dignified scheme for this historic airline.
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:34 am

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 10):

One current aircraft (PH-BXA) is painted in this livery.
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:39 am

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 10):
A dignified scheme for this historic airline.

That livery didn't last very long. I think the blue top livery is much more distinctive and it would be a big mistake to change it considering how long it's been associated with KL.
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:48 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

I don't think it's an improvement. It destroys the clean horizontal lines of the aircraft and when you look at the aircraft from the front, the dipping cheatline makes it look like it's frowning and unhappy.

It looks like a neckbeard.
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:04 am

I made a little edit to see what it will look like on our F70 fleet...

 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:12 am

I still wonder why KLM has never painted its planes in a predominantly orange scheme. If you go to any sporting event, including the World Cup and the Olympics, Dutch fans are head to toe in orange.
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:04 am

Quoting PietPiloot (Reply 14):
I made a little edit to see what it will look like on our F70 fleet...

Wow. That's stunning! Thanks!   

Quoting ckfred (Reply 15):
If you go to any sporting event, including the World Cup and the Olympics, Dutch fans are head to toe in orange.

The royal family is also the House of Orange. It's a quirk, yes, I'm not sure how it would look, eye catching, indeed, and it'd definately set itself apart.

There was a thread about orange KLM liveries a few months ago.
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:49 am

Quoting PietPiloot (Reply 14):
I made a little edit to see what it will look like on our F70 fleet...

Well done, but I don't like it. It works on the Embraer because the dark blue stripe wraps around the very tip of the nose, and for this reason I hope it will do the same on the 787. But on the F70, it comes in below the tip of the nose and looks odd.
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:12 am

Come on man, leave those lil' Fokkers alone!   

I didn't know they were planning to do the entire Cityhopper fleet. I thought the reason for the new livery was because of the low nose of the Embraer and the 787. The scheme does look a bit weird on the 190's. But on the F70, it looks just fine to me.

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...but so it is on the 737s. The proportions look the same.
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:56 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 15):

I still wonder why KLM has never painted its planes in a predominantly orange scheme. If you go to any sporting event, including the World Cup and the Olympics, Dutch fans are head to toe in orange.

I think, for all practical intents and purposes, Easyjet has already informally 'branded' that colour......
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:00 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 11):
One current aircraft (PH-BXA) is painted in this livery.

not really,
PH-BXA is wearing the previous outfit with the diagonal stripes,
This KLM logo and livery design with the diagonal dark and light blue striping and red KLM titles originates from 1958 and was designed by the Chicago based ad agency Erwin Wasey, Ruthrauff & Ryan.
In the early sixties Henri Henrion designed the bold KLM logo and the horizontal striped tail as seen in the three photo's in post 10

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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:07 pm

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 9):
Quoting AA94 (Reply 7):when viewed from the front.
Reminds me of a dolphin's smile!

Kinda looks like a mini Beluga when seen from the front.
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:15 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):

Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 1):
It's only for the Cityhopper fleet.

The 787 will have it too.

What? Wait.... Why?

I mean the whole Cityhopper fleet, why not. But why painting only the 787 fleet?
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:18 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 22):
I mean the whole Cityhopper fleet, why not. But why painting only the 787 fleet?

I have no idea, the press release didn't say.

http://news.klm.com/klm-welcomes-its...t-embraer-190-and-modified-livery/
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:19 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 22):
But why painting only the 787 fleet?

The E190 and 787 have similar noses, and to be quite frank, the standard livery looks odd on them.  
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:40 pm

What is the plan for the 737s? Seems to me like there will always be an odd ball in this new livery idea.
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:56 pm

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 24):
Quoting airproxx (Reply 22):
But why painting only the 787 fleet?

The E190 and 787 have similar noses, and to be quite frank, the standard livery looks odd on them.

Agreed, I think it has to do with the shape of the nose of the ERJ190 and 787. Their A350's will most likely also be getting this livery as the nose of the A350 has similar characteristics compared to the 787:



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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:56 pm

As a slight aside on this for a minute, I thought KLM would have been looking at phasing the Fokkers out rather than repainting them. Am I wrong?
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:31 pm

Quoting EGPH (Reply 27):
As a slight aside on this for a minute, I thought KLM would have been looking at phasing the Fokkers out rather than repainting them. Am I wrong?

Part of their Fokker 70 fleet will remain a little bit longer and these have received cabin upgrades as well. The older ones will be phased out. To my knowledge four of these have been taken over by Insel Air. One is already here in Curacao:


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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:08 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
I have no idea, the press release didn't say.

Ok... Sounds weird anyway... Thanks for the link  
Quoting DexSwart (Reply 24):
The E190 and 787 have similar noses, and to be quite frank, the standard livery looks odd on them.  
Quoting A388 (Reply 26):
Agreed, I think it has to do with the shape of the nose of the ERJ190 and 787. Their A350's will most likely also be getting this livery as the nose of the A350 has similar characteristics compared to the 787:

Agreed too guys, the newcomers have a distinct nose shape that's more fit to the new livery design, but I'd love to see the rest of the fleet painted in that revised livery too.... I think a little curvature on the dark blue/blue line would be nice on a 744 nose...  
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:41 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRvb9OUFSSE

Here I saw in Frankfurt in May ... there is very little difference between the old and the new
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:52 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
It destroys the clean horizontal lines of the aircraft and when you look at the aircraft from the front, the dipping cheatline makes it look like it's frowning and unhappy.

I'd like to see a more angular transition to the lower cheatline--some sort of a zig-zag in the cheatline just aft of the door perhaps.
 
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:57 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 26):
Their A350's will most likely also be getting this livery as the nose of the A350 has similar characteristics compared to the 787:

I thought AF was getting the A350 whole KL was getting the 787's?
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:57 pm

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 32):
I thought AF was getting the A350 whole KL was getting the 787's?

KLM will get them as well.
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:06 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):
or was the SAA Nonstop from JNB to LHR on the route via Canary Islands longer in kms?

Thank you! Hmm, seems logical that the A350 would get the same livery, then?

With that being said, though, their entire fleet, once all the 787's and A350's are introduced, will look like it's constantly being repainted, and they just haven't gotten around to the other aircraft yet.
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RE: New KLM Livery

Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:31 pm

I've been a fan of KL's liveries since the 1970s. At least this change is evolutionary, not revolutionary!
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