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AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:05 am

Hi all,

A couple of questions in regards to AA's use of MD80 from/to DFW and the West Coast:

1). Checking Flight Aware I noticed that AA flies a MD80 from LAX to DFW but does not fly one from DFW to LAX. I noticed that a MD 80 flies from LAS to LAX so is the LAX/DFW flight done to get the MD80 back to DFW?

2). DFW to/from SJC are all MD80s but this must be an important route for both O/D and connections thru DFW. Just curious as to why AA doesn't convert this route from MD80s to B738...

Thanks for your responses.
 
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:38 am

Quoting dfwjim1 (Thread starter):
1). Checking Flight Aware I noticed that AA flies a MD80 from LAX to DFW but does not fly one from DFW to LAX. I noticed that a MD 80 flies from LAS to LAX so is the LAX/DFW flight done to get the MD80 back to DFW?

The lone MD80 scheduled to fly DFW-LAX this week is AA2463, departs DFW at 1700 arriving LAX at 1810. That MD80 returns to DFW as AA2463, departs LAX at 1900 arriving DFW at 0005.

Quoting dfwjim1 (Thread starter):
2). DFW to/from SJC are all MD80s but this must be an important route for both O/D and connections thru DFW. Just curious as to why AA doesn't convert this route from MD80s to B738...

That is a question only senior management can answer.
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:27 am

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 1):
Quoting dfwjim1 (Thread starter):
2). DFW to/from SJC are all MD80s but this must be an important route for both O/D and connections thru DFW. Just curious as to why AA doesn't convert this route from MD80s to B738...

That is a question only senior management can answer.

I had read somewhere some time back that some of the DFW-West Coast markets were still in a sweet spot for the MD80 economics while they remain a fleet workhorse, perhaps where the lesser on-board amenities don't suffer against competition. My bet is that SMF-DFW will be one of the last MD80 routes, where they appreciate the 2x3 configuration over the higher chance of being stuck in a center seat. And the very low elevation at SMF, SJC, PDX, FAT and others does let the MD80 take-off full even on the hottest summer days. (The weight restrictions are always for DFW weather/fuel, not local temp.)
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:13 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2):
My bet is that SMF-DFW will be one of the last MD80 routes, where they appreciate the 2x3 configuration over the higher chance of being stuck in a center seat.

My bet is that this is not unique to the SMF-DFW market, I know several (myself included) who love the Y seat layout of the DC-9 series aircraft.

Once for two years I was employed outside of the travel industry, the biggest reason I took the job was that I would get to travel a lot.

I felt it would give me that golden opportunity to understand what it was like to be the person on the other end of the travel experience.

I was already Gold on AA when I moved from Atlanta to Portland OR, I stayed Gold the first year and hit Platinum the second, living here in PDX, My first leg was always a 4 hour M80 flight to ORD or DFW I was almost always in F out of PDX, as my good friend worked at the PDX AA ticket counter & gates.

My favorite commercial jets for seat layout are:

DC9 - Narrowbody

767 - Widebody

Both of these types are being phased out currently from airline fleets, I'm sure the 763ER will be around a while longer, but it is sad that these two great airliners are going away. I read a lot of comments about the horrid 10 abreast seating on 777s and wonder why they can't make a 767MAX (for lack of a better term) or adapt the same seat configuration in the 797 or the new 808...     
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:58 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2):
I had read somewhere some time back that some of the DFW-West Coast markets were still in a sweet spot for the MD80 economics while they remain a fleet workhorse

I think this is similar to how the ORD-Florida & Arizona markets work well for MD-80, for which the type still has a presence on.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2):
My bet is that SMF-DFW will be one of the last MD80 routes

Could be. I'll bet DFW-TUS; and ORD-TUS for that matter. (Outside of DFW-ORD, which is a given).

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
My favorite commercial jets for seat layout are:

DC9 - Narrowbody

767 - Widebody

Can't go wrong there. At least with DL, the DC-9 will live on through the MD-90 and 717 for the next 15 years. Then there is still the C-Series for 2x3...
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:13 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
My favorite commercial jets for seat layout are:

DC9 - Narrowbody

767 - Widebody

I agree with you there. Not sure why so many dislike the 767....it's the best for coach (IFE or lack of it aside), and F/J are nice and, well, intimate. DC9 is fine for coach, though not wide enough for a really good F seat. I have to say, though, after having F on AA 762 GVA-ZRH-ORD and being spoiled rotten by a super F/A (still with the caviar cart and iced Stoli), the 4 1/2 hours on the Super 80 ORD-SMF was the longest drudge ever, even in First. I probably would have gone totally bananas in coach that time.

My first DC9 family experience was RW DC9-30 on very short hops, but the best was AirCal DC9-80, which was really nice after the seats were reduced from Y160/162 to Y150. Roomy and quiet on our regular SMF-SNA/ONT runs, though always, always sold out.

Once the AA Super 80 replaced the 727-200 on SMF-DFW around 27 years ago, it was nothing but that for my many years of commuting and that -still- is all AA flies on that run. Without IFE, I read a lot of books!
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:58 am

AA's 3 RTs to/from STL are MD80s. They generally bridge at STL from ORD or DFW. I'd imagine a DFW-LAX could turn to STL as well, then get back to DFW.

I do know that both DFW red-eyes went 738.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2):
perhaps where the lesser on-board amenities don't suffer against competition.

Its not really less on-board. They have the same wifi, lots of F seats and are quite a nice ride.
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:55 am

Maybe the MD80 have better hot weather take off performance so more flights to Vegas?
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:11 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 5):
Once the AA Super 80 replaced the 727-200 on SMF-DFW around 27 years ago,

27 years ago! Wow long time! SMF-DFW must have been one of the first MD-80 routes back in the late 80s when the MD-80 was new, when the 727 and the DC-10 were still flown on most domestic routes in the system.

SMF-DFW will probably see the A319 once the MD-80 is gone end of this decade, as will PSP-DFW.
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:07 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
as will PSP-DFW.

I hope so. Just booked my trip for Christmas to PSP and I am on the MD80 out of DFW.
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:03 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
27 years ago! Wow long time! SMF-DFW must have been one of the first MD-80 routes back in the late 80s when the MD-80 was new,

It is interesting to see the history of the MD-80 as it relates to route networks. According to departedflights.com, as of 02.15.1985 AA had daily rotations for the MD-80 on ORD-DFW/DCA/PHX/and LAS, all of which are still being operated today. That's 29.5 years and counting!

http://www.departedflights.com/ORD85p11.html
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:10 pm

In addition to DFW and STL, AA flies MD80s from LAX to: AUS (2) and SJD (1)
 
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:11 pm

Quoting warren747sp (Reply 7):
Maybe the MD80 have better hot weather take off performance so more flights to Vegas?

It's not great at high temperatures and high elevations combined: SMF is at 27 feet, LAS about 2500 feet. As an example, RNO got the MD80 in winter, but they got the 757 in summer to get it off the ground without huge restrictions, even though it was more seats than they needed. For several years, we had ORD-RNO-SMF-ORD round-robins in the afternoon as the MD80 couldn't go RNO-ORD in summer with a full load. (Same routing prior to that with the B722 as well.) When I worked LAS for AirCal for the first four months of 1982, we had weight restrictions on the DC9-81/82 (as titled at the time) in the afternoon just going to SNA or RNO, although not as severe as with the B732 with those little bitty wings.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
SMF-DFW will probably see the A319 once the MD-80 is gone end of this decade, as will PSP-DFW.

I'm thinking more likely the B738 or even A321 as SMF needs the general capacity as well as the larger F cabin for the business and upgrade demand. The A319 would leave too many behind except maybe on the late morning DFW-SMF and 14:00-ish return leg.
I'm thinking A319 will either stay in short-haul in VFR markets or medium-haul in the VFR markets South of the Border. The northern West Coast - DFW/ORD markets will likely be all B738/739Max or A321S markets unless they add more frequency.
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RE: AA MD80 West Coast/DFW Questions

Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:31 pm

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 11):
In addition to DFW and STL, AA flies MD80s from LAX to: AUS (2) and SJD (1)

At AUS, AA's primary plane is the MD-80. They fly to DFW, LAX, ORD among others. If I see an AA in Austin skies, it is the MD.

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