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timz
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Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:09 pm

Few clues, but not that many possibilities

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7994374226

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4916159041

Were CV990 doors actually trapezoidal? And CV880 doors too?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkiv_utmarken/8586409224



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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21)

Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:13 pm

Quoting timz (Thread starter):
Where?
Quoting timz (Thread starter):

Few clues, but not that many possibilities

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2303292...74226

As written below the picture: "Seen pulling off the gate at Denver's Stapleton Airport in July, 1967."

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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:25 pm

The AA Convair 990 is at CMH.
 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:29 pm

Quoting timz (Thread starter):
Were CV990 doors actually trapezoidal? And CV880 doors too?

Yes they were.

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timz
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:58 pm

Guess this one is DEN-- did all the piers have public walkways on top?

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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:01 am

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 2):
AA Convair 990 is at CMH.

In late afternoon, looking northeast?

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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:09 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):
As written below the picture: "Seen pulling off the gate at Denver's Stapleton Airport in July, 1967."

But if you look at the comments....there's some disagreement

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 2):
The AA Convair 990 is at CMH.

I would agre only because that seemed to be the photographers home base.


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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:25 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Quoting TUSAA (Reply 2):
The AA Convair 990 is at CMH.

I would agre only because that seemed to be the photographers home base.

And the same photo is in the A.net database and identified as CMH. Same photographer has several other AA 990 photos in A.net.


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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:04 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):
As written below the picture: "Seen pulling off the gate at Denver's Stapleton Airport in July, 1967."
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
But if you look at the comments....there's some disagreement

Sure looks like Stapleton to me - that was my instantaneous reaction when I (first) saw the photo, so that's my vote.
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:12 am

the DC8 is at the old B concourse at SFO, Years ago we parked airplane sideways to load the front and back at the same time
and that Blow truck off to the left?? We still have it with a new Diesel compressor mounted on it.
 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:55 am

The last link has great photos of Boston in 1967
 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:30 pm

 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:52 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 11):
Couple of DEN pics to compare with the DC-8

Nice! Braniff's Calder 727 is captured in the first.
 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:04 pm

Quoting timz (Thread starter):
Were CV990 doors actually trapezoidal? And CV880 doors too?

Yes indeed, they were often described as "wedge shaped". When the door was opened, it actually slid upwards by a foot or two, towards the wider part of the opening. It could then be swung open. The door closure reversed this, as seen starting at 11min48sec in this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtJi0Z8vowE
 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:15 pm

Pictures like these just make me want to cry... I miss the pre-dereg days!
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:41 am

Quoting timz (Thread starter):
Were CV990 doors actually trapezoidal? And CV880 doors too?

Here is a good detail pic of the CV-880 door and a TWA Stewardess.



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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:47 am

There are some hills in the background of the CV990 picture, does that fit the terrain at CMH?
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:51 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 15):
Here is a good detail pic of the CV-880 door and a TWA Stewardess.

Forget the door! I want know who at TWA thought of making FA (Stewardess) uniforms look like Star Trek costumes was a good idea. What the heck did they use, mylar or gold tinted aluminum foil????  

Just kidding, but couldn't resist after seeing that uniform, even the FA behind her in the shadow is reflective lol.

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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:53 am

Despite what the caption says, I can say with 99.9 percent certainty that the UA DC-8 (N8031U) is not at Stapleton. That concourse is too tall (the concourses at Stapleton had notoriously low ceilings prior to concourse A and B being refurbished, and E being built in the early- mid 80s). Also the external surfaces of all of the concourses at Stapleton were mostly white with light blue accents and trim in some places prior to their 1980s refurbishing. The pictured concourse looks to be a light brown/tan color. To me it looks like O'hare, but I'm not %100 on that.

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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:09 am

Quoting SLCGuy (Reply 17):
Forget the door! I want know who at TWA thought of making FA (Stewardess) uniforms look like Star Trek costumes was a good idea. What the heck did they use, mylar or gold tinted aluminum foil????

These uniforms were part of an ill-conceived promotion in the late 1960s featuring Europenian style cabin service on trans-con flights in the U.S.

I believe this gold outfit was the French fashion model version. They also had a Roman toga style, an English serving wench, and a Manhattan lounging pajama. The outfits were rather sexist in those non P/C days and were actually unsafe. They were made of paper and Mylar. The TWA 'hostesses' would cut them to length. ( The jagged bottom edge is visible in the photo.) As expected, they hated the uniforms and the idea lasted just a year. I was on several flights between DEN and JFK and SFO JFK with the cabin staff dressed like this...it was more strange than sexy.
 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:25 pm

Quoting nomadic (Reply 19):
As expected, they hated the uniforms and the idea lasted just a year. I was on several flights between DEN and JFK and SFO JFK with the cabin staff dressed like this...it was more strange than sexy.

On an extended trip it meant carrying one of each around. Since they were paper I suppose it was not big deal. If I have this right, they wore their regular uniforms and changed in the aircraft lavs after boarding. I'm told they were a fire hazard as well.

One aspect of the entire inflight service plan as to have the meal service match the outfits, and the hostesses were told in advance which design to wear. This meant that the beef wellington and the coq au vin would in theory match the outfits, but in practice I am told that things could get out of synch. TWA always had some sort of pageant going on!
 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:58 pm

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 20):
If I have this right, they wore their regular uniforms and changed in the aircraft lavs after boarding.
Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 20):
One aspect of the entire inflight service plan as to have the meal service match the outfits, and the hostesses were told in advance which design to wear.

You are correct about changing on board. I never saw anyone wear the paper outfits in the terminal (except for a news story filmed by a local TV station in Denver).

I understand that for a time several of the appropriate outfits were kept on the in-flight catering trucks in the event of last-minute crew schedueling changes. But as mentioned there were times when the dress did not match the meal. (Beef Wellington served by a hostess in a toga)
 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:42 pm

The UA DC-8 is at gate C1 in CLE.
 
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RE: Where? (UA DC-8-21, AA CV990A)

Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:06 pm

So it's pointed southwest?

No UA DC-8s scheduled at CLE in daylight in July 1967, but if the airport's wrong the date could be too.

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