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No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:01 pm

Maybe I've missed this in prior posts but I just flew on a United 739 to St Lucia from EWR and was stunned that there were no personal videos or even a drop down screen. In this day and age???? I figured by now every new plane (and most 739s are relatively new) would have the personal screens. Why would this be? Isn't UAL losing money by not offering Direct TV or movies for pay?
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:10 pm

Quoting richiemo (Thread starter):
Isn't UAL losing money by not offering Direct TV or movies for pay?

The DTV take rate is incredibly low in any event and UAL is no longer installing it.

There is a wifi streaming solution being implemented, but we are probably a year off from having the system active and on a critical mass of airplanes in the fleet.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:16 pm

Quoting richiemo (Thread starter):
Isn't UAL losing money by not offering Direct TV or movies for pay?

On the list of criteria customers care about when selecting an airline, the availability of live or recorded television programming is pretty low, especially on leisure routes where the three key decision factors are price, price and price. That leads to passengers' willingness to spend on onboard entertainment being almost nil. United isn't losing anything by not offering a service that the vast majority of its passengers aren't interested in.

Personally, I don't watch Direct TV on United even though I don't have to pay for it, and I am far from alone in so doing. If United can't even get passengers who have complimentary access to watch, what are the odds of getting others to pay for it?

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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:34 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 2):
Personally, I don't watch Direct TV on United even though I don't have to pay for it, and I am far from alone in so doing. If United can't even get passengers who have complimentary access to watch, what are the odds of getting others to pay for it?

In addition, UA doesn't keep much if any of the revenue from the LiveTV product because they made the deal structured as "you pay for the installation and upkeep, as well as some compensation for increased fuel burn and you can keep any revenue generated."

It was a scheme for CO to get IFE without paying for it. I'm not sure if there is a portion of the revenue that stays with UA now, but even so it would be miniscule.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:09 pm

AA and DL are taking new 737s with ptv's, and DL will have those and streaming. UA is making a huge mistake not having something.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:17 pm

I for one am glad; I hate watching those annoying DirectTV commercials and credit card ads, not to mention the obnoxious welcome message by Smisek. My experience with actually using the DirecTV hasn't been good in any event.

UA is moving towards a streaming system that should be more than sufficient. The only "IFE" that would be useful to me right now would be the installation of more power ports on the A320 fleet.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:19 pm

Gotta inflate that quarterly profit somehow and make investors think United is doing well. No tv for you! This has been discussed many times on the forum before. UA sending new a/c into the fleet with nothing on board. Their wifi product is terrible btw.
 
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Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:24 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 4):
AA and DL are taking new 737s with ptv's, and DL will have those and streaming. UA is making a huge mistake not having something.

It is not a huge mistake I've recently flown on a newer 739 that has WiFi on it and i noticed when I went to the bathroom there were a lot of people using their own personal devices like tablets and laptops to view IFE. I even used my ipad and thru WiFi I was able to connect to my HBOgo. Not having a PTV install in the back of every seat is not a bid deal or a huge mistake. We live in a mobile wireless world were almost every person carries some type of mobile wireless devise that is able to connect to WiFi. United is proceeding with personal devise entertainment on the domestic fleet while keeping PTV's on the international fleet (except the 744's), I think this approach works just fine, UA is installing WiFi and streaming video content on the entire mainline fleet (except the domestic sUA 752's) and they are installing WiFi and I believe streaming video content on the international fleet (except the 3 class 763).

I think the only mistake UA has made in regards to IFE is not installing WiFi on the 2 class regional jets especially seeing some of these jets are flying routes that are 2.5 to a little over 3 hours. UA needs to install WiFi on these aircraft.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:30 pm

Flew on N28478 a few weeks back, it was just shy of a year old and no IFE/wifi, somewhat disappointing.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:31 pm

I recall that there was a story that the 739s were going to have DTV but the seats turned out to be improperly certified by the manufacturer, so they got some used replacements allegedly from AC. Since then, UA has not settled upon their unified IFE, although it looks like they are planning some kind of WiFi streaming system.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:08 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 7):
Not having a PTV install in the back of every seat is not a bid deal or a huge mistake. We live in a mobile wireless world were almost every person carries some type of mobile wireless devise that is able to connect to WiFi. United is proceeding with personal devise entertainment on the domestic fleet while keeping PTV's on the international fleet (except the 744's), I think this approach works just fine, UA is installing WiFi and streaming video content on the entire mainline fleet (except the domestic sUA 752's) and they are installing WiFi and I believe streaming video content on the international fleet (except the 3 class 763).

Just because we're in a mobile world doesn't mean everyone wants to use their device as an IFE machine. My mom struggles with some features of her smartphone (behind the tech curve), but can figure out a seatback monitor in its relative simplicity. Plus, the WiFi I've used has almost universally been terrible.

I'd rather have the PTV than to have to use my phone, and I have no intention of buying a tablet. I'd like to have battery when I get off the plane to use my phone as a telephone without having to plug the dumb thing in for an hour.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:35 pm

N27478 was the aircraft leased for scimitar singlet testing, so it was not available for mod.
It recently received EiFi
The last no WiFi/IFE 739 is now getting WiFi
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:07 pm

Hopefully they remove the DTV from the fleet. It's absolutely obnoxious the way it likes to shove ads in your face, pop back on after you turn it off, is not on-demand, yet wants you to pay a ridiculous $7.99 for it.

Hopefully UA follows DL and works on getting power throughout their Y cabin to support the WiFi streaming, especially on their 738's that they like to put on those Transcons. Y+ only power leaves a bitter taste in my mouth that is pushing me more toward DL.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:18 pm

I still say that most people DON'T have these devices in order to watch streaming videos. I suppose it's either bring a book or watch the scenery out of the window. I always thought it was nice when UAL had the drop down screens for IFE. Passengers didn't have to bring any devices and most people seemed to be happy watching what was on offer. I guess I am just an old-fashioned flyer.
 
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Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:22 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 13):
I still say that most people DON'T have these devices in order to watch streaming videos. I suppose it's either bring a book or watch the scenery out of the window. I always thought it was nice when UAL had the drop down screens for IFE. Passengers didn't have to bring any devices and most people seemed to be happy watching what was on offer. I guess I am just an old-fashioned flyer.

In addition, in DL's case, they view early window content as a deal breaker against removing in-seat IFE. Hollywood will probably never allow such content to be streamed to people's devices, since the risk of piracy is too severe.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:28 pm

I think BYOB is the direction most airlines will be going. Bring Your Own Boob tube. WiFi will be the limit of the airline's participation, saving on weight and maintenance.
 
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Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:35 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 15):
I think BYOB is the direction most airlines will be going. Bring Your Own Boob tube. WiFi will be the limit of the airline's participation, saving on weight and maintenance.

Say goodbye to early window content if this is the way most airlines will be headed. DL knows that customers demand such content.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:41 pm

UA decided to go with streaming. I don't think they should allow for a gap between a 739 delivery and Wi-Fi / power port installation but that gap obviously exists. As it stands, most people on my flights use personal devices anyway, so missing out on an opportunity to swipe a credit card for the privilege of watching CNN doesn't strike me as a big loss. Bigger deal if the plane isn't on time or if there are no power ports on a long haul flight.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:56 pm

Flew UA for the first time back in April, for 3 out of the 4 flights, no PTVs on the A320/B737 aircraft I flew. The one that did have DTV was a pay service, and as I was flying GCM-IAH, wasnt sure how great the coverage would of been on that route.

The Airbus fleet did have Wifi, which wasnt great but least I could see our progress on the route, some of the time.

BUT........ how many folk now have tablets? It seems most people I see have one.

least UA have seat backs which allowed me to do this for my flights.....



Problem solved! Even when I travel and I know they have PTVs, sometimes its hit and miss with whats on those boxes so I bring my own, most people I think are going that way.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:12 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 4):

AA and DL are taking new 737s with ptv's, and DL will have those and streaming. UA is making a huge mistake not having something.

AA has streaming; in fact it was the first U.S. airline to launch it.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:12 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 15):
I think BYOB is the direction most airlines will be going. Bring Your Own Boob tube. WiFi will be the limit of the airline's participation, saving on weight and maintenance.

That may be good for coach, but someone buying a first class ticket from EWR-SFO should get something. Also, the wifi on the baby bus they fly transcon is terrible. Give me a portable device a la AS.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:31 pm

I rode on N39728, a legacy CO 737-700 that had DirecTV. For one thing, I couldn't even find the moving map. Then I went to watch some TV, but nothing was on that I wanted to watch, so I turned on some recorded TV on my Lenovo.

Portable devices and their associated infrastructure is apparently a logistics nightmare for some airlines. Some others however, such as Sun Country, have made it work quite well.

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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:39 pm

I have no issue with United's approach to using streaming Wifi through the app on tablets. I actually think it's somewhat innovative. Delta basically announced that they would be adding streaming Wifi in addition to their IFE seat back strategy.

My only beef with UAL is that it feels (to me - this is completely subjective) that they're behind in offering something. I typically only fly UAL on Transcontinental flights (BOS - SFO) and that's a long flight to have nothing new (overhead CRTs on 752 and no wifi or tv on a 739), whihc as been the case on the past several trips I've taken. It's been awhile since I've flown DL cross country and not had a seatback TV.

That's purely anecdotal and could very well be just due to the routes that I fly.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:40 pm

I'll take in-seat power and decent wi-fi over the DirecTV that UA offers. I used it for the first time earlier this year on a DEN-MSY flight, and I didn't really find it was a great value for $7.99. On subsequent UA flights with the DTV I just shut it off and listened to my own music. I agree the ads are super annoying, but that's par for the course nowadays. I like how AS does it in Y...in-seat power that's in an easy to reach location, wi-fi that works really well (at least in my experience), plus digEplayers if you really get desperate.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:42 pm

UA says wifi is the answer, yet their wifi is not on every plane and when the plane has it, it's a crap shoot as to whether it will actually be working.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:22 pm

I just have one question. If this streaming video idea is the most cost-effective and passenger friendly way to entertain today's flying public, why aren't airlines like Emirates, Qatar, Etihad, Singapore, Qantas, Cathay, etc doing this. Why aren't they ordering new aircraft delivered without in-seat video? Why aren't they charging for IFE? In my opinion it is because they really value the customer. They aren't going to provide something, take it away, supposedly give it back to you in another form, and then tell you that this new form is what you've always wanted. From a passenger perspective, what United is doing is taking away another amenity, telling us that they didn't, and then telling us how wonderful the new system is. It's like taking away the seat pitch, squeezing you into a tighter cabin, and then making you pay for the seat pitch in economy plus that used to be standard and a part of the price of the ticket. This practice is not relegated to only United, but they seem to make what they are doing much more obvious, at least to me. United has DirectTv and I think that's great. What I don't understand is why charge for it? I can understand charging for premium movies, but not for the basic DirectTv service. They could've used DirectTv as an amenity to differentiate themselves from their competitors, but they have chosen not to. If jetBlue can offer free tv, I know UAL should be able to. United, at one time, had the best domestic IFE in the industry. Now, not so much.

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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:27 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14):

In addition, in DL's case, they view early window content as a deal breaker against removing in-seat IFE. Hollywood will probably never allow such content to be streamed to people's devices, since the risk of piracy is too severe.

I highly, highly doubt this is a major factor.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:28 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 25):

That, and the fact that not even UA is ripping out the built in ife on international aircraft or ps. Which then further makes their "strategy" even more in consistent.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:31 pm

Quoting codc10 (Reply 26):
I highly, highly doubt this is a major factor.

Actually, it is, and it has been confirmed by an official DL rep in this article:
http://www.insidesocal.com/aviation/...invest-in-in-flight-entertainment/
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:32 pm

We just had a hefty discussion about this last month. But here we go again.

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 25):
If this streaming video idea is the most cost-effective and passenger friendly way to entertain today's flying public

Streaming seems to be the future.

Look at seat manufacturers, and even IFE providers themselves.

They are all headed to a world of no wires, less weight and removing hardwired equipment on board, where instead its either a BYO option ala UA, or at most ability to integrate a generic tablet into the seat.
One of the IFE vendors is even ditching their own software and going with a reskinned Android OS as their new platform.
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Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:35 pm

it's not just 739s .. on the 772s that are running HNL-ORD (and probably HNL-GUM) - there's no screens .. and if WiFi isn't working (which it hasn't on a lot of flights from what I'm hearing from our employees) - you're on the plane for 8-9 hours with nothing .. except some FAs with attitude. I'm hoping they get it fixed .. the hardware and the employees .. people can only stay loyal for their miles for so long before they start jumping ship ..
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:23 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 25):
If this streaming video idea is the most cost-effective and passenger friendly way to entertain today's flying public, why aren't airlines like Emirates, Qatar, Etihad, Singapore, Qantas, Cathay, etc doing this. Why aren't they ordering new aircraft delivered without in-seat video? Why aren't they charging for IFE? In my opinion it is because they really value the customer. They aren't going to provide something, take it away, supposedly give it back to you in another form, and then tell you that this new form is what you've always wanted. From a passenger perspective, what United is doing is taking away another amenity, and then telling us that they didn't and how wonderful the new system is. It's like taking away the seat pitch, squeezing you into a tighter cabin, and then making you pay for the seat pitch that used to be standard and a part of the price of the ticket. This practice is not relegated to only United, but they seem to make what they are doing much more obvious, at least to me.

Some of the airlines you mention are flying long haul/ULH sectors over the most remote parts of the planet. In their cases, IFE makes a lot more sense than domestic aircraft flying over mostly the continental U.S. International WiFi is still ramping up, is expensive and may not have full coverage or much bandwidth. All but one airline you mention are international only outfits that don't have a domestic operation with short-haul aircraft. I tend to doubt Qantas has much IFE in the 737 fleet but perhaps I'm wrong..
 
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Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:46 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 25):
If this streaming video idea is the most cost-effective and passenger friendly way to entertain today's flying public, why aren't airlines like Emirates, Qatar, Etihad, Singapore, Qantas, Cathay, etc doing this. Why aren't they ordering new aircraft delivered without in-seat video? Why aren't they charging for IFE?

Several of those carriers serve a much larger number of developing markets where passengers are less likely to be equipped with the latest technology in comparison with U.S. carriers where far more passengers have iPads, Kindles and smartphones etc. For example, EK serves over 20 countries in Africa.

That's one reason why LCCs have had difficulty becoming established in markets like Africa where internet access is low and most people don't have credit cards, so carriers still have deal with travel agents or maintain their own ticket offices, meaning higher costs.
 
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Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:44 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 27):
That, and the fact that not even UA is ripping out the built in ife on international aircraft or ps. Which then further makes their "strategy" even more in consistent.

Where are you getting your information from because you posted this on another thread as well and it is an absolute fabrication . I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish or prove by posting crap like this but UA is not ripping out IFE on international or ps aircraft.

Quoting JayBird (Reply 30):
it's not just 739s .. on the 772s that are running HNL-ORD (and probably HNL-GUM) - there's no screens .. and if WiFi isn't working (which it hasn't on a lot of flights from what I'm hearing from our employees) - you're on the plane for 8-9 hours with nothing .. except some FAs with attitude. I'm hoping they get it fixed .. the hardware and the employees .. people can only stay loyal for their miles for so long before they start jumping ship ..

Most of those aircraft now have WiFi and streaming video working. But it was a problem for a very long time the reliability of satellite WiFi.
 
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Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:57 pm

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 31):
Some of the airlines you mention are flying long haul/ULH sectors over the most remote parts of the planet. In their cases, IFE makes a lot more sense than domestic aircraft flying over mostly the continental U.S. International WiFi is still ramping up, is expensive and may not have full coverage or much bandwidth. All but one airline you mention are international only outfits that don't have a domestic operation with short-haul aircraft. I tend to doubt Qantas has much IFE in the 737 fleet but perhaps I'm wrong..

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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:01 am

Quoting jayunited (Reply 33):

Re-read my post that you quoted, because you missed the point entirely.
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:18 am

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 31):
I tend to doubt Qantas has much IFE in the 737 fleet but perhaps I'm wrong..

It's actually funny that the poster you responded to mentioned Qantas ... as they were the first airline in the world to use this technology. The difference to all airlines that have come later, and I give Qantas massive kudos for this, is that they supply an iPad at every seat so that customers can access the streaming IFE without using their own device. They use this system on the 767s and the 2-class 717s (the 1-class 717s don't have IFE).

Obviously the A380s, 744s, and international A330s have AVOD (and all domestic A330s soon will have). The 737-800s that have been delivered since 2010 have AVOD. The pre-2010 737s have drop-down screens. To be honest, I expected them to add streaming/iPads to the older 737s, but they didn't.

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 34):
The airplane's systems don't need a connection to the ground to stream content to passengers.

  

BYOD content is hosted on an ONBOARD server.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:28 am

I can actually Look at the Wi-Fi accessibility and now it's in the range of 90-95% Panasonic's coverage is impressive.
We did have pretty bad problems some months ago as Panasonic was upgrading their K-band
satellite Transponders but now ? When I log in I can see every airplane with Wifi flying and 90-95% of then are flying with
full Wi-Fi capability. I can't speak to content because I never use Wi-Fi when I fly as I prefer to read or snooze. Flying from IAH to PHX or LAX
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:45 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 29):
One of the IFE vendors is even ditching their own software and going with a reskinned Android OS as their new platform.

That means nothing. It's just the OS and software that changed. Norwegian (Intl.) still has in seat IFE, and they're the only ones I know of who use that (Thales?) system.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 36):
To be honest, I expected them to add streaming/iPads to the older 737s, but they didn't.

it will happen eventually.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 36):
they supply an iPad at every seat so that customers can access the streaming IFE without using their own device.

On the 767 fleet, it was cheaper than installing new seats with PTV's, only to pull them out of service in one or two years. But I do agree, it was and is a ncie touch.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 32):
established in markets like Africa where internet access is low and most people don't have credit cards

Well, I can't speak for South Africa, which in all accounts is developed, technologically, heck, even Mango have in flight WiFi!   

But I do agree, most of Africa is still far behind, but you need to remember, it isn't as third world as it was. As economies get stronger, more and more people are starting to buy luxury items, not essentials. Those that can travel internationally probably do have tablets, (those retched Samsung Galaxy Tabs are rife acorss the continent).
I saw a lot of people in Harare with iPhones last December...

But the point remains, not everyone will have personal devices with them, and even those that do, well, they won't last on a transocean flight.

For a stop-gap on short haul flights? Sure. Anything longer than three hours, though, that's a different story.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:19 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 2):
Personally, I don't watch Direct TV on United even though I don't have to pay for it, and I am far from alone in so doing. If United can't even get passengers who have complimentary access to watch, what are the odds of getting others to pay for it?

Direct TV is the same crap I don't watch at home so why would I want to watch it on an airplane?

Quoting UA444 (Reply 4):
AA and DL are taking new 737s with ptv's, and DL will have those and streaming. UA is making a huge mistake not having something.

Streaming is nice but again not all that necessary as I am more than happy with my own downloaded movies on my computer. Larger screen, no interruptions from stupid cabin announcements, and better sound quality.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 6):

Gotta inflate that quarterly profit somehow and make investors think United is doing well. No tv for you! This has been discussed many times on the forum before. UA sending new a/c into the fleet with nothing on board. Their wifi product is terrible btw.

I agree. Their WIFI is horrible.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 11):

N27478 was the aircraft leased for scimitar singlet testing, so it was not available for mod.
It recently received EiFi
The last no WiFi/IFE 739 is now getting WiFi
Most recent 739 new deliveries go into WiFi mod before revenue service.

Read above...

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 13):

I still say that most people DON'T have these devices in order to watch streaming videos. I suppose it's either bring a book or watch the scenery out of the window. I always thought it was nice when UAL had the drop down screens for IFE. Passengers didn't have to bring any devices and most people seemed to be happy watching what was on offer. I guess I am just an old-fashioned flyer

Most people do have smart phones or tablets, I don't know where you are coming from but I also have my laptop as well as my phone.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:47 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 7):
I think the only mistake UA has made in regards to IFE is not installing WiFi on the 2 class regional jets especially seeing some of these jets are flying routes that are 2.5 to a little over 3 hours. UA needs to install WiFi on these aircraft.

That's what's really needed. Some kind of wifi solution for those loooooong RJ flights!
Does anybody know if the 175's that are coming will have wifi?
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:05 pm

Is anybody tracking the stats on all the UA IFE threads? It will be interesting to see if the volume approaches "When will NW retire the DC-9?" (Btw the answer is technically "never".   
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:51 pm

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 38):
That means nothing. It's just the OS and software that changed. Norwegian (Intl.) still has in seat IFE, and they're the only ones I know of who use that (Thales?) system.

What is means is manufacturers are abandoning their old clunky ways.

The future even for IFE is cutting wires, replacing much of the hardware and now software with nothing more than consumer grade equipment.

Its getting harder and harder to justify business cases to airlines so these vendors must reduce their cost of delivery or otherwise go bye-bye as airlines are not willing to be held hostage for a decade by being stuck with a manufacturer and its proprietary product onboard.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:00 pm

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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:03 pm

It's a huge mistake to have nothing. Period.

I fly approximately 100,000 miles a year on UA, and am incredibly disappointed in the lack of IFE on long flights.

I have a business laptop, which I cannot download movies on and watch them during my flight. I don't want to bring my personal tablet AND my laptop for every trip I make, which means two separate bins going through security.

I've been given the excuse that they've installed the wifi as an IFE alternative, but the current wifi doesn't give you a streaming option! I want entertainment, not to stare at my email for a five hour transcontinental flight.

I've begun doing what I haven't done in years and years, which is checking flights on other carriers out of EWR for my trips.

Stupid move on United's part.
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:00 pm

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 44):
It's a huge mistake to have nothing. Period.

I fly approximately 100,000 miles a year on UA, and am incredibly disappointed in the lack of IFE on long flights.
I have a business laptop, which I cannot download movies on and watch them during my flight. I don't want to bring my personal tablet AND my laptop for every trip I make, which means two separate bins going through security.
I've been given the excuse that they've installed the wifi as an IFE alternative, but the current wifi doesn't give you a streaming option! I want entertainment, not to stare at my email for a five hour transcontinental flight.
I've begun doing what I haven't done in years and years, which is checking flights on other carriers out of EWR for my trips.
Stupid move on United's part.

I understand your dilemma when it comes to a work computer and not wanting to have to bring your own personal laptop or tablet which adds weight to what already is probably a heavy work bag. But if you think that PTV's are the future of IFE then I'm sorry to tell you but your wrong.

What I will say is UA is jumping the gun on this wireless streaming video and WiFi only IFE system that they are going with. Back in April there was an article in Aviation Week about this very issue. However the article does mention that it will be some time before this technology is reliable enough to role out and and replace traditional imbedded IFE. The hurdles are this the seat manufactures need to come up with a seat that will not only hold and and all forms of the major tablets on the market today but also charge those tables while they are in the holster. The technology that streaming video and satellite WiFi is using still has reliability issues (these are the issues UA is currently facing reliability issues) and lastly neither Airbus or Boeing allow their wide bodies to leave the factory without some type of imbedded IFE, in Boeing case the imbedded IFE also controls the passengers reading light and FA call button but once this technology is proved both are open to the idea of allowing widebody deliveries without any form of traditional IFE.

What really is interesting about the article is that their is interest from airlines not just here in the U.S. but international as well who at some point in the future once this technology proves itself would like to remove all traditional forms of IFE (PTV's) especially in coach and go completely wireless with streaming video content and WiFi as the sole form of IFE. As I said before UA is jumping the gun on this and they probably should have waited till all the issues were worked out before deploying this on the domestic fleet. But who knows in 5 or 7 years we could see a major shift in the industry to this type of IFE and the removal of traditional IFE and the reason why is to save weight which in turn saves fuel.

Read the article.
http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...-ife-may-be-coming-soon-widebodies
http://www.futuretravelexperience.co...-show-preference-personal-devices/
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:07 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 13):
I still say that most people DON'T have these devices in order to watch streaming videos. I suppose it's either bring a book or watch the scenery out of the window. I always thought it was nice when UAL had the drop down screens for IFE. Passengers didn't have to bring any devices and most people seemed to be happy watching what was on offer. I guess I am just an old-fashioned flyer.

I'm with ya!
That's why I chose United so many years ago. They had pretty decent NBC and Fox programming on the drop down LCDs. Some interesting movies, good sitcoms, Simpsons! If I didn't want to watch whatever it was, I'd plug into the armrest music, Ch.9 or my ipod and doze off.
Now it's "fork over money" or watch nothing. Or fork over money and stream ..... on my phone, which is a small screen. And drains my battery. Or.....again, nothing. And no Ch. 9.
At least AA still has the drop down screens, and I can watch all my favorite NBC shows again, or listen to armrest music, or my music, like the "good ole days."
 
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RE: No Boob Tube On UAL 739s?

Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:50 pm

Boob Tube? UA is making Playboy TV available on it flights?  Wow!
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