|Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 40):|
Look at the numbers. One neighborhood, many neighborhoods, dense, spread out...the numbers aren't there compared to ny dc sf la
Here is your first problem, youre comparing DFW
to NYC, LA
, and SF
. Nobody on this thread compared DFW
to them except you. You first said, "DFW
has little O&D to Asia" which isnt true. Perhaps what you meant to say was "DFW
has little O&D to Asia compared to New York, LA
, San Francisco, Chicago, and DC" which would be true. Also, get it out of your head that Im somehow proposing that DFW is going to be this huge Asian gateway. My prediction is that DFW can support 4-5 cities in Asia total and maybe 6-7 flights total given the O&D, hub, and location.
The ME3 are different. DFW-India is growing like few others in the US. DFW is the 5th largest immigration spot for Indians in the US after NYC, the Bay, Chicago, and DC. DFW currently has the 6th largest Indian population in the US by metro area, but it will overtake LA in a few years more than likely. DFW-India is growing in business ties few others as well. They flooded here for a reason and the AA hub is only part of it.
is best compared with its peers to Asia which would be like IAH
, and PHL
. In that grouping, DFW
goes toe-to-toe quite nicely in regards to O&D to Asia. Its not the largest of that grouping, but it keeps up just fine.
|Quoting Thomaas (Reply 48):|
The O&D alone would maybe support one or two weekly flights to each of those cities, let alone daily flights on wide-bodies. The only reason AA flies to Asia from DFW is that it doesn't have strong hubs where a pacific gateway makes sense. They can't make the ORD flights work because UA is much stronger in both Chicago and Asia while LAX is very competitive and does't have the feed to make flights work.
O&D wise, almost no hub could support a longhaul flight alone. DFW
, for example is DFW
's largest Asian market. Its about the same size as ORD
(both around 110-120 PDEW). Even with ORD
, the only Asian markets it could fill solely on O&D on a daily basis would be ICN
If youre talking about markets that can fill planes to many Asian cities on a daily basis, youre talking only of NYC, LAX
, and ORD
and DC can really do that.
|Quoting commavia (Reply 51):|
DFW and ATL are two different markets, with relative strengths and weaknesses to each. There may well be a reason why DFW sees more nonstop flights to Asia than ATL.
Geography would have to be it. They are similar in size to Asia on the whole. DFW
-Asia is more spread out and ATL
-Asia is much more centered on Korea.
|Quoting Thomaas (Reply 49):|
Quoting CXGabriel (Reply 47):
I can see Houston to HKG/Asia traffic can be won by AA despite it's a UA's hub.
Over connecting with UA at NRT, LAX, SFO or ORD ? I doubt the high-value flyers (eg. Mileage Plus members for UA) would even look at flying AA through DFW. If anything AA might fill in a few economy seats from IAH but that's about it.
is larger than IAH
by a large margin actually. IAH
-Asia is larger than DFW
-Asia overall, but not to every market. DFW
is larger to NRT
(and all of Japan), ICN
(and all of Korea), HKG
, and TPE
is larger to Mainland China (by a good margin) and Southeast Asia (sans Thailand but the difference is negligible).
|Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 40):|
Then how come the numbers on wiki don't jive with that gentlemen?
First off, and again, NYC has a much larger Asian community. NOBODY is denying that.
But also the Asian community in DFW
is far more integrated than it is in NYC.
Sounds like you need some numbers for perspective in regards to Asians in America. My disclaimer is that this has nothing to do with O&D, and everything to do with demographics:
International immigrant from Asia by Combined Statistical Area in 2011:
1) New York: 76,294
2) Los Angeles: 49,968
3) San Francisco/San Jose: 36,492
4) Washington/Baltimore: 20,208
5) Chicago: 15,789
6) Dallas: 12,412
7) Houston: 12,218
8) San Diego: 11,178
9) Seattle: 10,803
10) Philadelphia: 9,444
11) Atlanta: 9,249
12) Boston: 8,924
13) Detroit: 8,447
14) Phoenix: 6,073
15) Riverside: 5,426
16) Honolulu: 5,020
International Immigration from Asia in 2012:
New York: 71,184
Los Angeles/Riverside: 51,325
San Francisco/San Jose: 33,089
San Diego: 9,116
Asian growth (domestic and international) from 2010 to 2012. This also accounts for natural change and people moving between cities, which the numbers above dont:
New York: 115,638
Los Angeles: 78,793
San Francisco: 62,119
Washington DC: 42,938
San Jose: 33,194
San Diego: 19,397
Las Vegas: 12,442
Another thing you need to consider. Cities in the South dont really have ethnic neighborhoods like they do up North. The South is far more integrated. Instead of a "Chinatown" (though Houston does have one), youll get a series of Chinese shops on one side of the street, on the other side it could be Pakistani, Korean, or whatever. Its just a big mix mash.
Well, youre wrong.[Edited 2014-07-30 09:30:35]
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