ANA Orders 777-9X, 787-9 And 77W

metalinyoni · Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:19 am

ANA just finalised an order for 20 777-9X, 14 787-9 and 6 77W.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=20295&item=129165#assets_117

Boeing778X · Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:25 am

Congrats to NH and Boeing! Another one in the bag!

RayChuang · Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:37 am

I believe the 777-9X will likely be used mainly on international routes--for example NRT to LAX and SFO (I think people forget that there are very convenient rail links to NRT from downtown Tokyo via the JR East Narita Express and Keisei Skyliner).

chiad · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:06 am

Quoting metalinyoni (Thread starter):
20 777-9X

What's the firm backlog for the B777X including this order? Should be just shy of 300 frames me think.

It's turning out to be another awesome year for Boeing!
boggled

[Edited 2014-07-30 23:09:49]

bchandl · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:08 am

Quoting chiad (Reply 3):

Quite impressive for a frame that is still only on the drawling boards and many many years from it's first delivery!

bchandl

chiad · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:12 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 4):
Quite impressive for a frame that is still only on the drawling boards and many many years from it's first delivery!

Yeah. Another 6 years before planned EIS.
It's hard to imagine what the backlog will look like in 2020.

nethkt · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:13 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 2):
I believe the 777-9X will likely be used mainly on international routes--for example NRT to LAX and SFO (I think people forget that there are very convenient rail links to NRT from downtown Tokyo via the JR East Narita Express and Keisei Skyliner).

I think you forget that HND is right in Tokyo city.

The 777-9X and -10X seem to be the better option compared to the A380.
Just the right amount of seats/size. Too bad with the 747-8i, No more 4 engines 4 ANA.

bchandl · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:18 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 4):

It will be a smashing success for boeing and it's operators.

The 777 is a money printer for many airlines and they know Boeing will deliver on another great 777. That's why you're seeing such a backlog already.

bchandl

Aaron747 · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:19 am

Quoting Nethkt (Reply 6):
Just the right amount of seats/size. Too bad with the 747-8i, No more 4 engines 4 ANA

The deal has long ago been sealed. There will never again be a need for a four-engine VLA in the Japanese market.

zeke · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:20 am

Quoting chiad (Reply 3):
What's the firm backlog for the B777X including this order? Should be just shy of 300 frames me think.

Only 66 firm orders according to the Boeing website.

aviationaware · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:22 am

Quoting chiad (Reply 3):
What's the firm backlog for the B777X including this order? Should be just shy of 300 frames me think.

As far as I know:

Firmed:
Emirates x 115 779X / 35 778X
Qatar x 50 779X
ANA x 20 779X
Lufthansa x 20 779X

= 240

Not firmed so far:
Etihad x 25 777X
Cathay x 21 779X

= 46 not including options

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):
Only 66 firm orders according to the Boeing website.

They just finalized a bunch of orders at Farnborough, that website is just not updated for god knows what reason.

[Edited 2014-07-30 23:23:46]

karadion · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:31 am

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 10):
They just finalized a bunch of orders at Farnborough, that website is just not updated for god knows what reason.

Actually the numbers are correct and they updated it AFTER Farnborough. Prior to the ANA, the net orders were 783. They also include the Emirates 150 and Qatar 50 as part of that list.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

PlanesNTrains · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:32 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):
Only 66 firm orders according to the Boeing website.

Which of course will be updated very soon. Farnborough???

-Dave

bchandl · Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:39 am

Quoting Karadion (Reply 11):
Actually the numbers are correct and they updated it AFTER Farnborough.

How can 66 be correct when EK firmed 150?

Did someone place a negative 777 order? MH?

bchandl

rj777 · Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:02 am

Any idea how many orders it's going to take until we can officially drop the X?

andrej · Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:04 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 13):
How can 66 be correct when EK firmed 150?

Just checked the Boeing's customize report page, and it does state 66 orders for B777X. However their 'Current Year' orders page, already includes the Emirates order (150 units).

gennadius · Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:16 am

This is simply a firming of their previously announced order back in March, correct? Not a new order?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...dings-boeing-idUSBREA2Q0B720140327

chiad · Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:19 am

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 10):
Firmed:
Emirates x 115 779X / 35 778X
Qatar x 50 779X
ANA x 20 779X
Lufthansa x 20 779X

= 240

Not firmed so far:
Etihad x 25 777X
Cathay x 21 779X

= 46 not including options

Thanks!!
I would be surprised if the 46 wont be firmed this year.

frigatebird · Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:21 am

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 10):

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):Only 66 firm orders according to the Boeing website.
They just finalized a bunch of orders at Farnborough, that website is just not updated for god knows what reason.

The Boeing reports on their Orders and Deliveries page are updated up to and including last month (June). Only this page with their 2014 orders is refreshed every week. It shows the new orders until July 22 and includes the orders signed at and before Farnborough, 50 for QR and 150 for EK.
So the correct number is 66 before July 2014 (20x LH, 21x CX, 25x EY) + 200 (50x QR, 150x EK) until July 22 = 266 firm orders for the 777X. If the NH ones are included in the order page which will be refreshed later today, the total number will be 286.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 14):
Any idea how many orders it's going to take until we can officially drop the X?

I expected this to happen at Farnborough... It's irritating, e can only see 777X at Boeing's order page, no breakdown in -8s or 9s.

KarelXWB · Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:36 am

The order was announced in March this year:

ANA To Buy 70 New Aircraft (by laxboeingman Mar 26 2014 in Civil Aviation)

PHX787 · Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:42 am

YESSSSS!!! This is absolutely huge for NH and for Boeing. Can't wait to see them over here in Japan.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
The order was announced in March this year:

But it was just now finalized.

EK413 · Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:51 am

Big congratulations to Boeing and NH for recognizing the effiecencies of the B777.

EK413

waly777 · Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:45 am

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 10):

All of those are firm

LH, EY & CX were the first firm orders...i.e. the original 66

Then EK, QR & NH bring the total firm orders to 286...just 8 months after launch. Rather impressive!

817Dreamliiner · Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:29 am

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 10):
As far as I know:

Firmed:
Emirates x 115 779X / 35 778X
Qatar x 50 779X
ANA x 20 779X
Lufthansa x 20 779X

= 240

Not firmed so far:
Etihad x 25 777X
Cathay x 21 779X

= 46 not including options

All of these are firmed. The original 66 came from EY, CX and LH. so your list isnt correct.

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 10):
They just finalized a bunch of orders at Farnborough, that website is just not updated for god knows what reason.

Thats because they updated it at the end of the month. By either tomorrow or next week it will show these orders.

Aaron747 · Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:40 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 21):
Big congratulations to Boeing and NH for recognizing the effiecencies of the B777.

Not too difficult with 54 of type in service. They were one of the original launch customers, you might remember.

Airboe · Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:48 pm

Looking very forward to see who will offer the best connections from Europe to Tokyo - JAL with A359, - or ANA with 779/789.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 2):
(I think people forget that there are very convenient rail links to NRT from downtown Tokyo via the JR East Narita Express and Keisei Skyliner).

Agree, - however I usually use the Limosine bus service - it takes a little longer, but at the time SAS arrives (on schedule!), there is not many people but plenty of legroom in these busses.

http://www.limousinebus.co.jp/en/

KR/

mffoda · Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:21 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):

Quoting chiad (Reply 3):
What's the firm backlog for the B777X including this order? Should be just shy of 300 frames me think.

Only 66 firm orders according to the Boeing website.

Exposure to organophosphates, perhaps??

dank · Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:04 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 2):
believe the 777-9X will likely be used mainly on international routes--for example NRT to LAX and SFO (I think people forget that there are very convenient rail links to NRT from downtown Tokyo via the JR East Narita Express and Keisei Skyliner).

Yes, mostly international routes. If you don't think they would swap many to HND once US routes could get better timings, I've got a bridge to sell you. NRT isn't as awful as some say, but HND is clearly more attractive.

Zkpilot · Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:24 pm

Well done NH for ordering the 77X as well as some "old tech" 77W! Maybe QF needs to take another look.
As for this region, I expect NZ to order 6x 779 to replace their (new) 77W from 2023. Maybe even some 778 to replace their 77E although the 7810 might win that race.
I have my doubts as to VA. They have a small fleet of 5 which should be replaced around 2022. That could be done with 789 or A350 however. If NZ takes a bigger stake then that would likely rule out the A350 however.

Sooner787 · Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:46 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 28):
Maybe QF needs to take another look.

I agree, the 778x seems tailor made for their DFW-SYD route.

PHX787 · Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:49 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 28):
77W from 2023. Maybe even some 778 to replace their 77E although the 7810 might win that race.

NH will probs replace the E's with 7810s. Most probable.

Stitch · Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:56 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 28):
Maybe QF needs to take another look.

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 29):
I agree, the 778x seems tailor made for their DFW-SYD route.

Well the extra payload-range the 777-8 offers would be helpful because, limited to (I believe) 180-minute EDTO, they would have to fly closer to the Hawaiian Islands to have a diversion airfield in range.

But it's because of how restricted the Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority is on EDTO that I expect a 575,000kg-rated MTOW A380 would be better.

[Edited 2014-08-01 08:57:01]

KarelXWB · Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:36 pm

Here's a high-res render of the ANA 777-9, including the latest design changes:

[Edited 2014-08-01 09:37:06]

LY777 · Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:39 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 32):
, including the latest design changes:

Except for the doors, which are the design changes?

817Dreamliiner · Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:43 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 33):
Except for the doors, which are the design changes?

Removed chevrons on the engines and extra flap fairings as a result of the split outboard flap on the wing.

KarelXWB · Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:44 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 33):
which are the design changes?

- No engine chevrons anymore
- Revised flaps (outboard flap split into two)
- Larger wing tips

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...77x-configuration-changes-revealed

travaz · Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:53 pm

Quoting dank (Reply 27):
If you don't think they would swap many to HND once US routes could get better timings, I've got a bridge to sell you. NRT isn't as awful as some say, but HND is clearly more attractive.

INRT is a good airport and I never minded the train into Tokyo but is is somewhat akin to DCA vs. IAD. DCA is much more convienient

dank · Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:27 am

Quoting travaz (Reply 36):
INRT is a good airport and I never minded the train into Tokyo but is is somewhat akin to DCA vs. IAD. DCA is much more convienient

It's not just convenience to Tokyo, since there is also better connectivity to the rest of Japan and the region from HND (and connectivity to downtown Tokyo is only going to improve from HND leading into the olympics).

spacecadet · Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:47 am

Quoting dank (Reply 37):
It's not just convenience to Tokyo, since there is also better connectivity to the rest of Japan and the region from HND (and connectivity to downtown Tokyo is only going to improve from HND leading into the olympics).

HND is *not* particularly more convenient to Tokyo than NRT is, despite the difference in distance. Transportation from HND is slower and more circuitous, so the total time to get to the city center is about the same. NRT can even be more convenient if you happen to be going somewhere like Ueno. But you hit it on the head about connections to the rest of Japan - that's where the convenience of HND is. These don't seem like airplanes HND would be using on domestic routes, though, although they could be using them to feed domestic routes at HND from elsewhere in Asia. I really doubt many (or any) of them are earmarked for US routes.

EPA001 · Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:39 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
The order was announced in March this year:

ANA To Buy 70 New Aircraft (by laxboeingman Mar 26 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Indeed, this order is no surprise. But still, a lot can happen between an announcement and firming up that announcement. So congratulations are due to all parties involved.

.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 32):
Here's a high-res render of the ANA 777-9, including the latest design changes:

Just beautiful. I can not say any different when looking at that picture.

I would have liked them buying some A380's though, but that was not in the cards anymore after they made their initial announcement earlier this year.

bunumuring · Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:44 am

The engine nacelles seem to bulge more after the inlet before thinning out.

RayChuang · Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:03 am

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 38):
But you hit it on the head about connections to the rest of Japan - that's where the convenience of HND is.

That may be true if you're talking about domestic flights from the Tokyo area. But in a way, NRT is more convenient if your destination within Japan is reachable by Shinkansen, since the JR East Narita Express stops at Tokyo Station, the central station for all Shinkansen trains.

But I think in the end, most of NH's 777-9 fleet will be based at NRT, since the 779 will become the primary long-distance plane for the airline, and the Japanese government still prefers most international flights from the Tokyo area originate and terminate at that airport.

PHX787 · Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:57 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 32):
Here's a high-res render of the ANA 777-9, including the latest design changes:

That is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen..........

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