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Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:03 pm

Greetings TK Aviation fans,
Midsummer heat, days at the beach, it is beautiful out there  
How about this TK 77W double pleasure...Looks like the construction is full speed behind.


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Let me start this month with few points:
-TK announced SFO for 2015.
-New batch of 77Ws started arriving with 49J/300Y seating and first route is IAH.
-With the presidential election this month, I have a feeling we might see it finally arrive when the elections are over.
-What to make of this Sunexpress Long Haul idea?
-First time we heard of Chengdu and Taipei as possible destination by TK.
-For the next LH order, TK might consider 330NEO, 777X, 787, 350 or even something bigger. We have been talking about this for about a decade, why not a bit longer.
-Borajet receives 3rd E190, how are they doing?

On a personal note, I purchased a Y ticket JFK-IST round-trip on TK last week for mid August, and today I had to change the return date. Guess how much I had to pay? $720 change fee. Return was Sept 8th, now Sept 1st. Ouch!

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:57 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Greetings TK Aviation fans,

Thanks for another thread  
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Borajet receives 3rd E190, how are they doing?

So by September they will be all E190 . Is that still on target? Nice fleet for the regional routes they serve. I also noticed that their fares were pretty attractive too.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Guess how much I had to pay? $720 change fee. Return was Sept 8th, now Sept 1st. Ouch!

I guess change fee and class buy up due to no seats in original booking class? Ouch... indeed.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:24 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
So by September they will be all E190 . Is that still on target? Nice fleet for the regional routes they serve. I also noticed that their fares were pretty attractive too.

I'm still wondering which routes are served with the new E90s.
The fares are indeed quite attractive, but on their bread and butter routes they charge slightly higher fares. In particular, SAW-EDO which is also served by Pegasus and Anadolujet I always pay a little bit more.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:29 am

Greetings from TK2.

I'm on my way back to ESB via IST. TK2 is again a sold out flight similar to our JFK flight, TK3, 10 days back as all seats are occipied as far as I can see. Now internet is also much faster since TK charges hourly for Y and Y+ passengers. Unfortunately we are delayed about 90 min and there was no proper explanation from captain during our preflight announcement.

10 days in NY was a cultural overdose with lots of walking (daily around 10km) but missed Turkish breakfast especially. I'm also impressed how child friendly NY is. On the contrary JFK is rather poor for a city like NY.

We dropped to Lufthansa Lounge prior to our flight though TK is using Alitalia Lounge, thanks to *A. I advice all to do so until TK has its own lounge at JFK.

[Edited 2014-07-31 19:53:16]
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:57 am

I'm glad you had a good time in Gotham city.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 3):
TK charges hourly for Y and Y+ passengers.

What are the rates?
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:18 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Borajet receives 3rd E190, how are they doing?

the jury is out on their operation but I have to say I haven't met more incompetent management ever in my life. May be this is the way they do business in here, but I got yelled at by the chief pilot for being out of currency by barely two weeks, when I showed up at his office.

Typical old school pilot managers, who are scared of the people that have more knowledge than they do. 3400 hours in type and counting and I get treated like dirt when I walk into their office. The people in Hong Kong were more receptive to my know-how than these ex-army pilots that every single word that they spoke was an attempt to show me that they are superior.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:04 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 5):
but I got yelled at by the chief pilot

That is unfortunate Baha,
But don't take it personally, that is not out of the norm of how things get done in the old country. I spend half my time over there and the business climate is different. I bet if you were to be there working for a longer period, you might find things that you could find enjoyable, satisfying on the other hand. Good Luck.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:16 pm

TK787,
they are having hard time finding CAs for the airplanes. They don't have a commuting contract (big no for the expats) and they started with very low salary levels. When they went back to the same candidates that turned down the job because of lack of pay, they proved that they were not a serious contender.

They paid for logging, ticket from US round trip for a friend of mine that hasn't touched the airplane for more than 4 years,except for 2 weeks last year. They also paid for his travel to Amsterdam for their simulation evaluation. When it came to me, they wanted me to pay for my currency out of my own pocket. For something that I was going to get it done in my current employer in two weeks.

As I mentioned, the organizatonal skills of the management in this company's flight department leaves a lot to be desired. That is my personal experience and this was my observation. This doesn't represent the entire Turkish aviation community, just one simple organization.

I am thankful for my current job that I didn't need these people to make a living and I hope that I won't even need it in the future.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:55 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
What are the rates?

As I was on C, I did not pay detailed attention: Something like 2$ per hour.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:51 am

TC-JJR, one of the latest TK 77Ws, flew IST-ADB at 8am this morning and did the return 10am, landing 11:34am just in time for its IAH run.
Is there a special reason for this short hop? Can you imagine getting this brand new jet on a 45min flight?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:14 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 9):

End of 'bayram' holiday. It is not the only wide body service to ADB today. Just counted 2 343s, 1 332, 1 330 and 1 more 77W

There is a massive movement around Turkeytoday

Other holiday destinations also receive WBs today:
BJV 343
DLM 77W and 330
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Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:02 pm

Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 10):

Thanks. That is very cool.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:02 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-For the next LH order, TK might consider 330NEO, 777X, 787, 350 or even something bigger. We have been talking about this for about a decade, why not a bit longer.

Flew AC B787 recently and very much impressed. The new generation - at least in my view - offers much more comfort to the passenger. So hopefully they will not order the 330neo...

In case they take the A380 wondering how the seat layout may look like. Maybe the first airline to have only C and Y class onboard, in a 600-650 seats config.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:32 pm

Pegasus Q2-2014 results are released.

I think Pegasus is simply doing great though they keep low profile all the time while TK continues the show business.

84 number of destinations, 22% increase in passenger numbers and 12.1 hours daily utilisation is simply amazing.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p682/UmutAydinOrtana/Pegasus2014Q2_zps569a842d.jpg
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:03 pm

The next 777, TC-JJT, will be LN 1233.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:23 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 13):
Pegasus Q2-2014 results are released.

I think Pegasus is simply doing great though they keep low profile all the time while TK continues the show business.

84 number of destinations, 22% increase in passenger numbers and 12.1 hours daily utilisation is simply amazing.

Impressive numbers indeed. I think there is a potential for Pegasus to try getting into a long-haul / wide body flying. I am sure some 767s in the market can be had cheap.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:34 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 12):
In case they take the A380 wondering how the seat layout may look like.

In 2007, Airbus offered TK, 2 x 380s with 78J/471Y layout (I know this thanks to LAXintl).
The same offer thought TK would have a LH fleet of 20 in 2012 and 44 by 2025.  
Quoting bahadir (Reply 15):
Impressive numbers indeed.

To put these numbers in perspective, Pegasus is flying 17M pax last year with 50+ planes. That is the total pax number for TK in 2006. Just incredible.
I don't know about Long Haul for Pegasus but starting 2016 they start receiving 320s, initially 7 frames, followed by more....
By then SAW might get another runway.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:08 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 5):
the jury is out on their operation but I have to say I haven't met more incompetent management ever in my life.

Sad to hear they are so disorganized, but you know the whole Borajet operation to start with has been a bit odd.

Without the backing of rich owner and other family companies I don't think the airline would be around today.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 13):
Pegasus Q2-2014 results are released.

Lets wait for the financial results next week. I think the TL currency shifts might have created some financial headwinds.


Quoting bahadir (Reply 15):
I think there is a potential for Pegasus to try getting into a long-haul / wide body flying. I am sure some 767s in the market can be had cheap.

Potential is there, but I'm not sure they have the impulse to act on it especially now being a public company.
I remember Ali'bey telling me it would be nice to have a few 787s and could do things like SAW-NYC, but the cost of such venture along with distraction from the narrowbody ops would be significant.
Lets also remember Atlasjet was within days of signing A340 leases from ILFC here in L.A. before they finally woke up the risk realities of longhaul ops.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 16):
In 2007, Airbus offered TK, 2 x 380s with 78J/471Y layout (I know this thanks to LAXintl).
The same offer thought TK would have a LH fleet of 20 in 2012 and 44 by 2025.

Ha ha. You remember that old stuff ha.
Yes indeed Airbus and TK have been down this A380 road many times.

Personally I think at the end they will indeed go for a VLA, but not sure the timing is right still.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:19 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 16):

In 2007, Airbus offered TK, 2 x 380s with 78J/471Y layout (I know this thanks to LAXintl).
The same offer thought TK would have a LH fleet of 20 in 2012 and 44 by 2025.

This config holds in both classes (C and Y) 60% more pax than the new config B77Ws. Hmmm interesting to run the A380 without F. In long term with a huge fleet and a new airport F will be re-introduced anyways, but as an interim solution, why not.

New pax numbers released for Turkish airports. I calculated the numbers for the period Aug13-Jul14:
IST: 54.263.284
SAW: 21.854.495
AYT: 28.075.961
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:59 am

Saw MNG picked up a new contract for DHL. They have an A300-600 based at the DHL Bahrain hub to operate to Pakistan near daily.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 18):
New pax numbers released for Turkish airports

Impressive growth !

Amazing Istanbul represents 75 mil passengers annually. Not many world cities can manage that.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:40 am

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 18):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):

Looks like 2014 end numbers for IST may fell short of 60M. SAW will reach 24-25M and AYT will be around 29M. AYT and SAW is doing great. However the fire burning around Turkey (Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Israil, Libya) is reducing IST numbers.

More interestingly if this trend continues, SAW domestic passenger numbers may pass IST domestic numbers by 2016 making SAW Turkey's biggest domestic hub.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:34 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 20):
However the fire burning around Turkey (Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Israil, Libya) is reducing IST numbers.

In my opinion, IST itself is reducing IST numbers. It is already operating beyond its limits...
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:57 pm

Listening to IST status, things are pretty hectic due to weather. I hear things like;
-Requesting right hand turn immediately due to weather (acil saga donmek istiyoruz)
-Please hold, lost your radar singnal (radar taniminiz kayboldu)
-Problems landing at IST, would you consider Corlu? ( Pilot: 1 tur aticak yakitimiz kaldi, hesaplayalim.)
TK34 had to do a bunch of circles over Istanbul.
TK1862 FCO-IST many circles over Istanbul.
I hope everyone happy landings.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:04 pm

No takeoffs anymore due to weather conditions
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:04 pm

Few planes saying they have only 10 min. of fuel left.
KL1613 one of them.
They just told KL pilot that "They have less than 800m", pilot replied he can do 550m.

Tower: "Two more planes trying to land at this moment...", "Latest... 1200m"
Another pilot: "5 min. left to divert, but would like to try one if possible"

Diversion to Ankara

[Edited 2014-08-07 06:15:49]
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:16 pm

Many diversions to SAW and Corlu. LH1772 is diverting to Burgas after two go arounds.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:24 pm

Someone just asked to divert to AYT, wow!!
It is a mess.

That KL flight is about to land at SAW finally.

[Edited 2014-08-07 06:25:30]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:51 pm

It seems better now I am not mistaken ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:54 pm

Swiss and Asiana landing in SAW right now.
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:06 pm

Approach is back to normal. However landing is still a mess.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:14 pm

TK6 just landed in IST while TK12 seems to go for AYT.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:01 am

Still a big mess in Istanbul.
Sounds like TK cancelling most; if not all domestic flights till early afternoon to clear the backlog.
My best friend is on his way from BJV to ANC today with his young son. Good Luck to him. His first flight BJV-IST was delayed but eventually took off, with a 77W since so many cancellations since yesterday. Hope he makes the IST-LAX flight to connect to his LAX-ANC flight. (all fingers crossed)
 
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:12 pm

I was on BA676 from Heathrow to Istanbul yesterday. We circled a couple times and then diverted to ADB, landing around 1700 local time. It looked like maybe five other aircraft, including two TK A330s, also diverted there. Unfortunately, we ended up staying there until 2035! All the other planes left before us, some by at least an hour. It seemed the TK aircraft got preferential treatment.

When we got to Istanbul around 2200, the terminal was pretty chaotic. The international transfer desk for TK looked like it was several hours long. Many evening flights to Western Europe were delayed 9+ hours to 5am departures. A bunch of flights were also canceled. Our crew timed out and the return flight to Heathrow, originally scheduled for 5:30pm, was bumped until noon today so that the crew could rest.

This morning, I was back at the airport for a 7am flight to SJJ. The terminal was still a madhouse. The delays continued and the TK staff had little information to provide harried travelers. My gate was assigned to four different flights all at the same time! The number of passengers was therefore overwhelming. Luckily, mine was the one they actually boarded.

The airport apparently ran out of parking stands last night and aircraft were parked in a line on one of the taxiways. We actually drove under the wings of several on the way out to our 738. It was last in the queue of planes and thus could back out. It's going to take TK in particular a long time to recover from this, unless they've got a lot of slack in their fleet or long turn times at outstations.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:02 pm

Quoting iluv747400 (Reply 32):
All the other planes left before us, some by at least an hour. It seemed the TK aircraft got preferential treatment.

Thanks for sharing your experience, that sounds pretty awful. I guess that is understandable for TK to take care of itself first. On a TK flight to JFK years ago, we had to divert to BOS and ours was the last to be allowed to the terminal (6 hours on tarmac at BOS after 11 hours flight from IST). I know the feeling.
The weather seems to be creating havoc in Istanbul this summer. It doesn't help that IST is busting at seams and it is going to get pretty worse till the new airport opens.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:30 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 31):
Hope he makes the IST-LAX flight

Well, good news.
He said they ran as fast as they could, and made their flight to LAX.
Supposed to be a full flight he says it is half empty. Only 8 people in Comfort class.
I guess people couldn't make their connections.
With all the suspensions (add Erbil and 2 x daily TLV flights as of today) and now this weather cancellations, I wonder how TK is doing financially this quarter?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:59 pm

Just landed at ESB on Anadolujet TK7029 from AYT.

While disembarkation, I saw that Qatar Airways 787 was still at ESB tarmac after emergency landing due to a failure. Looks like port side engine is the problem. So far, many airlines have been going through a nightmare rather than a dreamliner. Let's see when this plane returns home.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p682/UmutAydinOrtana/Qatar787ESB_zps97f65301.jpg

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Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:29 pm

how is the current situation at IST after the weather chaos a few days ago?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:33 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 36):

My friend who completed BJV-IST-LAX-ANC; on TK and last leg AS, still waiting for his luggage. He says it is just incredible that TK phones are busy, when he gets through to the Customer Service, they want to connect him to the Luggage Room in IST, or nobody knows what is the number for the 3rd company luggage handler for TK at LAX?

On another note, JFK seems to be loosing more TK 77W service. This Nov/Dec out of 14 x weekly JFK-IST, only 4 of them will be with the 77W, the rest A333.
Still a few years away from a possible 380 route  http://airlineroute.net/2014/08/08/tk-jfk-nov14/
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:49 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 37):
On another note, JFK seems to be loosing more TK 77W service. This Nov/Dec out of 14 x weekly JFK-IST, only 4 of them will be with the 77W, the rest A333.
Still a few years away from a possible 380 route  http://airlineroute.net/2014/08/08/tk-jfk-nov14/

I also noticed it a few days back. Is it because of shortage of 77W or demand is dropping?

By the way, I think 77W is much more comfortable compared to 333 for a 10 hour flight. Especially back seats at the tail of 333 is terrible due to shaking all the time.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:07 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 38):
Is it because of shortage of 77W or demand is dropping?

Not sure, but might be something to do with removing Comfort Class in tandem with B/C checks, or could be demand.
The two newly joined 77Ws, are doing solely IST-IAH and short hops to Dubai and few other cities, so those two frames freed up a single 77W for other routes or maybe a spare. Not sure whent the Jet 77Ws are returning but might have something to do with that also.

Edit: By the way, 77W is slighty faster compared to A333 on the JFK-IST route.

[Edited 2014-08-11 11:10:05]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:30 pm

10 hrs of IST-JFK flight is very well within capabilities of an A333. Also 333 burn more than 10 tons of less fuel same percentage load 777. If you dont need of 50 more seats capacity there is no reason send to 777 to JFK. I can tell next summer ORD will get 777 service, additional passanger and cargo capability.

I have an opportunity go inside a new series of 777, there have some differencies from previuos model. There is no seat model change but all lavs changed. Count drops 10 from 12 but there are much bigger lav for econony class in the middle of plane. There is a suprise too they have a view   Business lavs get sinks and faucets changed, size and count same.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:29 pm

Quoting MeCe (Reply 40):
Business lavs get sinks and faucets changed,

Good, I hated those sinks, they always looked dirty and clogged. Never liked the blacktops either, hope that is different. I love the idea of the window in the lavs.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:19 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 41):
Good, I hated those sinks, they always looked dirty and clogged. Never liked the blacktops either, hope that is different. I love the idea of the window in the lavs.

Of course it is personal taste but I did not like gray tabletops. they look cheap. Here is the picture greater lav near 3rd door

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:21 am

Quoting MeCe (Reply 42):

Thanks for the photo. I am not sure if this is any classier but surely easier to keep it clean. (with a view!!)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:10 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 39):
The two newly joined 77Ws, are doing solely IST-IAH and short hops to Dubai and few other citie

I'm booked this weekend on the DXB-IST and it was showing 77W, so fingers crossed for the new bird.
btw the connecting flight to ADB is also showing as 343; two widebodies for a relatively short sector, not bad...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:47 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Amazing Istanbul represents 75 mil passengers annually. Not many world cities can manage that.

Still waiting that sb updates the wikipedia list with the busiest airport systems...

Quoting TK105 (Reply 20):
Looks like 2014 end numbers for IST may fell short of 60M. SAW will reach 24-25M and AYT will be around 29M. AYT and SAW is doing great.

IST will definitely not reach 60m pax, but next year i think, also overtaking FRA and maybe even CDG. I do not see too much potential for AYT in future, maybe 40m is the natural limit for a "vacation airport".

BTW it was reported the the new 3rd airport for IST will be named Recep Tayyip Erdogan... Difficult on commeting this without becoming political, but i am strictly against it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:55 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 45):
BTW it was reported the the new 3rd airport for IST will be named Recep Tayyip Erdogan... Difficult on commeting this without becoming political, but i am strictly against it.

But seems fitting no for a man that probably has probably done more for Turkish aviation than anyone one else, atleast in recent times?

In the last decade we've seen everything from deregulation and opening of airline sector, TK partially privatized, ticket taxes reduced, liberal air service agreements reached around the world paving the way, plus tons of airport infrastructure projects around Turkey which culminates with the 3rd airport.

Looking from abroad it seems the man dreams big but unlike the typical bureaucrat, he actually manages to turn those visions into reality.
Such significant structural changes under his administration undeniably have positively impacted the industry and consumers I would say.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 46):

Puhhhh that is a very very difficult topic.

During the last 10 years Turkish aviation made a big step forward, this is for sure. How much this may be related to the policy of the government is to be quanitified first. And even in that case this does not necessarily justify naming an airport after him.

Look, in Germany people in think in general that highways were invented by the Nazis. Well, this is not completely true, but it is true that the network grew drastically during their reign (mainly because of forced labour). According to your argumentation the Germans could name their highways after Nazi officials.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:57 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 46):
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 47):

Naming of such important locations have to be done based on concencus of majority of society.

I'm also against naming such locations by persons who are in power and/or alive (eg as in central asia). Let history judge these persons and they will sure be remembered as they deserve.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2014

Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:00 am

I see TK Cargo will launch services to both Hyderabad and Hanoi.

HYD is quite interesting, as it appears a bit of an opening by India to allow additional service points albeit cargo only.
Interesting also that HYD is one of the airports where Turkish ground handling company Celebi won government tender to provide services, so I suspect their connections helped play part in support for TK access.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 46):
Such significant structural changes under his administration undeniably have positively impacted the industry and consumers I would say.

  
The business, regulatory, and broader economic policy over the last decade have definitely fostered the massive rise in aviation and travel sector in Turkey and put it truly on the global stage.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 48):
Naming of such important locations have to be done based on concencus of majority of society.
I'm also against naming such locations by persons who are in power and/or alive (eg as in central asia). Let history judge these persons and they will sure be remembered as they deserve.

Even in the US they name airports, aircraft carriers etc for living presidents, and certainly there is no widespread support in society for them as people either. By nature of political system, each president is divisive and disliked by large segment here also.

Anyhow, I don't care personally, but I can see the argument in favor. Erdogan is probably the single biggest driving force behind the 3rd airport concept, so it would be part of paying homage to this by naming it accordingly.
But if you want something history can decide, then for me they could also name it after some Ottoman Sultan or general as well.
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