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2014 NFL Charters

Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:56 pm

Seeing that the Hall of Fame game is tomorrow, now is as good a time as any to get the annual team charter thread going.

Bills: UA1829 767-400 (BUF-CAK): http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...9/history/20140802/2130Z/KBUF/KCAK

Haven't been able to find the Giants charter (I assume it's going EWR-CAK).

[Edited 2014-08-02 09:58:30]
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:13 am

Found the Giants. UA1832, also a 764 (and EWR-CAK, just as I suspected): http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...2/history/20140802/1930Z/KEWR/KCAK

[Edited 2014-08-02 18:14:20]
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:40 am

There was also a UA 764 charter from going TPA-CAK-EWR today, don't know who was on it but I am assuming sports related. I was going to go out to BUF today to see the flight leave but the storms kept me in. I bet the Bills had a fun flight. Here was the departure: http://instagram.com/p/rNj1JUhZV-/
Clear skies and strong tail winds.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:50 pm

Delta keeping the super bowl champion SEAHAWKS?
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:11 am

It will be interesting to see which teams stay with the carrier they flew on last year and which teams found new rides.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:13 am

Hawaiian will no longer carry the Raiders.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:32 am

United still flying the Chiefs?

[Edited 2014-08-03 22:36:40]
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:27 am

UA has been the carrier for the 49ers for quite a while.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:29 am

How many people does an NFL team usually travel with?
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:24 am

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 5):
Hawaiian will no longer carry the Raiders.

Seems like I heard somewhere that UA has the Raiders this year.
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:34 am

Quoting fightingdingo (Reply 8):

How many people does an NFL team usually travel with?

Can vary wildly. There is no uniform answer.

50 something on the team. 10 or so coaches. Front office staff. Trainers, Medical staff and assistant staff so another 30?

100 people total?

The big thing is, and it's why they use widebodies is the players are often given an entire row of seats. So one player will use up a row of 3 seats.

F and J class is normally coaching staff, execs and captains/veterans.

Rookies actually get their enclosed own suites! Well, the veterans call them suites, we typically call them the lavatories.

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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:19 pm

Quoting bchandl (Reply 10):
Rookies actually get their enclosed own suites! Well, the veterans call them suites, we typically call them the lavatories.


Fantastic 

The Colts have been using DL since the merger with NW.
Boiler up!
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:16 pm

Quoting Irishpower (Reply 7):
UA has been the carrier for the 49ers for quite a while.

Last couple of years has been DL
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:20 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 9):
Seems like I heard somewhere that UA has the Raiders this year.

I think you're right. Hawaiian has carried the Raiders for something like the last 15 years! I've heard that the Raiders wanted 330 equipment and not the 767 this year and HAL couldn't accommodate that request.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:22 pm

The Pats often charter a DL 763 out of PVD, although the sometimes use BOS.

I doubt this was the team (cough) but a Socata TBM-850 made the flight this morning from PVD to CAK this morning.
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:31 pm

Last year AA touted itself as the 'Official Airline' of the Patriots and Gillette Stadium in a rather lengthy, self-serving piece:

http://prn.to/1zO44UX

But aside from carrying the team to and from its Away games (which they don't), I'd be hard-pressed to figure out what this news even means.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:53 pm

Quoting Irishpower (Reply 7):

UA has been the carrier for the 49ers for quite a while.

Actually Delta carriers the 49ers and have for the past couple of seasons.

Delta also has these:

New England Patriots
San Francisco 49ers
Seattle Seahawks
Cincinnati Bengals
Indianapolis Colts
Philadelphia Eagles
Arizona Cardinals
Atlanta Falcons
Jacksonville Jaguars
Baltimore Ravens
Green Bay Packers
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:56 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 13):

Any idea why? The 767 seems to be the favorite choice of NFL charters.

With the way the raiders have played post 2001 they deserve GreyHound.

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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:07 pm

Quoting bchandl (Reply 17):
Any idea why? The 767 seems to be the favorite choice of NFL charters.

Just my theory, it's because the HAL 330s have AVOD including screens in all seats, which the 767 doesn't. UA and HA shared the contract last season because word had it that due to HAs winter flight schedule they couldn't accommodate the team on the longer trips taking the team to the Mid-West and East Coast. So... perhaps the team got a glimpse of what they COULD have, in terms of entertainment and comfort. Because the Raiders and HAL have had such a great relationship and the fact that the team LOVES flying HAL, they thought they could push the issue for getting a better product for their charters. When HAL couldn't meet their needs, HAL said no to the contract.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:45 am

Quoting fightingdingo (Reply 8):
How many people does an NFL team usually travel with?

The Cowboys' pilot reported 160 souls on board when they made an emergency landing at MSY a few years ago.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:09 am

Quoting KBUF (Reply 1):
Found the Giants. UA1832, also a 764 (and EWR-CAK, just as I suspected)

Do both the Giants and Jets use EWR?
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:14 am

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 16):
Delta also has these:
New England Patriots
San Francisco 49ers
Seattle Seahawks
Cincinnati Bengals
Indianapolis Colts
Philadelphia Eagles
Arizona Cardinals
Atlanta Falcons
Jacksonville Jaguars
Baltimore Ravens
Green Bay Packers

I thought the Chargers belonged to DL as well. Not this year?

bb
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:44 am

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 18):

Do UA 767s have AVOD? (Sorry, I literally avoid UA harder than I would avoid someone with Ebola)

Makes sense that they switch. It can't be that efficient for HA to do the charters.

I would have assumed that they used a plane that ran a Hawaii-OAK flight, but since that's not the case (HNL-OAK is an A330) so do they ferry one in from Hawaii?

With every plane going to or from Hawaii in order for them to have a plane for a charter they would have to cancel the returning Hawaii leg of some route or ferry one from Hawaii.

That all just seems incredibly inefficient so either Oakland was paying extra to use HA or HA was burning a lot of potential profit to do that charter

I don't know if you have this answer, I'm merely speaking aloud, but maybe you or someone else does.

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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:50 am

A couple of years ago on of the local media stations answered a few viewers questions as to why the Packers always traveled by W/B aircraft, the reporter stated that the tea m had to travel by W/B's was primarily due to the weight of all of the equipment that they had to travel with plus the fact that some of players get to have family member or a friend travel with them. Most of time the team travels with 54 players, 12 coaches(and wife's most of the time), Medical and trainers about 12 to 15 staff, equipment managers 3 or 4 of them. and lastly the play by play broadcasters and their technical staff and maybe some of the local media that normal travels with the team. All in all around 160 to 180 people. Then if the team goes to a playoff game it will be more. Last time the Packers went to a Super Bowl game they had two a/c chartered a 744 and a 757.
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:58 am

SAN always get the coolest NFL charters and it is happening again....
I read on another board that the NY Jets will be taking a UA 787-9 out to SAN on Oct 03/5,
flight number was 1827 last season.


Cowboys flying off to training camp a couple weeks ago,
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20140722/1900Z/KDFW/KNTD

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 20):
Do both the Giants and Jets use EWR?

Yes they both do.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
I thought the Chargers belonged to DL as well. Not this year?

Yes, flight 8870.

Last season DL flew:

Bengals 8863
Cardinals 8860
Chargers 8870
Colts 8865
Eagles 8869
Falcons 8861
49ers 8871
Jaguars 8866
Packers 8864
Patriots 8868
Rams 8873
Ravens 8862
Seahawks 8872
Titans 8874
Vikings 8867
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:30 pm

I'm hoping UA brings the 764 into ROC again this year. The Bills' training camp is here . They flew one in from IND last year,but the sun set too soon to get a pic  
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:55 pm

Does anyone know what the Cowboys will use to fly into SAN for their first preseason game?
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:59 pm

Quoting bchandl (Reply 22):

The routing of crews and plane depended on the destination the Raiders were playing at. Often times they would combine the charter with a live flight to OAK, rendering a few pre planned HNL-OAK-HNL cancelations. It generally took a plane out of service for an extra couple of days, because it was dedicated to the charter. Not to mention, the further from a HAL city the plane flew, the harder it would be for support. Now that HNL-OAK is flown with the 330, it creates a new new of logistical nightmares. This airline isn't afraid of ferrying planes, but at some point the costs are going to outweigh the benefits.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:07 pm

Here's a list I did last year of all the charter numbers, some are staying the same
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Delta (DAL) 8860 Arizona
Delta (DAL) 8861 Atlanta
Delta (DAL) 8862 Baltimore
United (UAL) 1829 Buffalo
US Airways (AWE) 9094 Carolina
United (UAL) 1834 Chicago
Delta (DAL) 8863 Cincinnati
United (UAL) 1830 Cleveland
American (AAL) 9404 Dallas
United (UAL) 1825 Denver
United (UAL) 1837 Detroit
Delta (DAL) 8864 Green Bay
United (UAL) 1831 Houston
Delta (DAL) 8865 Indianapolis
Delta (DAL) 8866 Jacksonville
United (UAL) 1838 Kansas City
American (AAL) 9401 Miami
Delta (DAL) 8867 Minnesota
Delta (DAL) 8868 New England
United (UAL) 1836 New Orleans
United (UAL) 1832 NY Giants
United (UAL) 1827 NY Jets
Hawaiian (HAL) Oakland
Delta (DAL) 8869 Philadelphia
US Airways (AWE) 9098 Pittsburgh
Delta (DAL) 8870 San Diego
Delta (DAL) 8871 San Francisco
Delta (DAL) 8872 Seattle
Delta (DAL) 8873 St. Louis
United (UAL) 1835 Tampa Bay
Delta (DAL) 8874 Tennessee
United (UAL) 1828 Washington
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:01 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 24):
I read on another board that the NY Jets will be taking a UA 787-9 out to SAN on Oct 03/5, flight number was 1827 last season.

Great heads up on that, 'Zulu. Thanx so much.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 24):
Yes, flight 8870.

And another thank you for the Charger update for this season.

bb
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:01 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 26):

They will take the train I believe as they are already out in Cali for training camp. Normally they use a 752 with 763 likely for preseason and special games.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:41 am

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 30):

Darn, I was really hoping for some different planes coming up soon. Does anyone know if the 787-9 carrying the jets is actually gonna happen? If so, would it be from newark
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:49 am

UA is the Official airline of The new Levi's stadium, and will fly the team.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/n...-tech-giant-as-levis.html?page=all
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:53 am

UA will also use the 787-9 to bring the NY Giants to Dallas to play the Cowboys Oct 18th/19th.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:02 am

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 24):
I read on another board that the NY Jets will be taking a UA 787-9 out to SAN on Oct 03/5,
flight number was 1827 last season.
Quoting TUSAA (Reply 33):
UA will also use the 787-9 to bring the NY Giants to Dallas to play the Cowboys Oct 18th/19th.

Lets hope the 787 does not go tech...   

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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:51 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 32):

UA is the Official airline of The new Levi's stadium, and will fly the team.

That's odd in that DL8871 just arrived BWI from SJC with the 49ers. The DL charter skeds show the 49ers all season unless something has recently been changed.

[Edited 2014-08-05 20:06:04]
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:31 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 32):

Makes sense, UA has ample number of widebodies at SFO everyday. Although since Levi Stadium is almost an hour south of San Fran they will probably not be traveling out of SFO.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 34):
Lets hope the 787 does not go tech...   

Ahhh the classic A.net joke. It's old and not very accurate anymore. It's been 18 months since the ending of the 787 grounding.

The only airlines that seem to whine about the 787 still are AI and Norwegian.

AI is a basket case and the boy who cried wolf. Nobody can possibly take them serious.

NLH has a problem in that they literally run them nonstop. Tight turns and leave very little time for tech issues that arise on ANY PLANE TYPE and any preventative maintenance.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:12 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 32):
UA is the Official airline of The new Levi's stadium, and will fly the team.

The press release from the stadium says United has "the right to fly the team", not necessarily that they will be flying the team, so far DL still has them but guess that could change any time UA sees fit.

http://www.levisstadium.com/2014/07/...d-airlines-named-official-airline/
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:34 pm

It seems that Aa/US are not that interested in NFL charters relative to DL and UA. I wonder why that is.
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:55 pm

Cincinnati Bengals on their way to Kansas City to play the Chiefs

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8863
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:38 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 19):
The Cowboys' pilot reported 160 souls on board when they made an emergency landing at MSY a few years ago.

Plus Jerry Jones, who has no soul...
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:13 pm

Quoting bchandl (Reply 36):
Ahhh the classic A.net joke. It's old and not very accurate anymore. It's been 18 months since the ending of the 787 grounding.

Guess your sarcasm detector is broken... hence the smilie....

Las year when Seattle played the (ahem destroyed) N.O. Saints they were on a WB for a late night flight because the aircraft went tech... it was NOT a 787.... any AC can go tech, no need to patronize...

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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:07 pm

I see UA 764 UA1855 just filed EWR-ROC . Figures. I'm at work. Looks like the Bills are playing the Panthers friday. Probably miss the return flight,too .
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:11 pm

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 41):
Las year when Seattle played the (ahem destroyed) N.O. Saints they were on a WB for a late night flight because the aircraft went tech... it was NOT a 787.... any AC can go tech, no need to patronize...

767-400.

The Saints use a 753 for shorter flights, and a 764 for the longer hauls.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:08 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 42):
I see UA 764 UA1855 just filed EWR-ROC . Figures. I'm at work. Looks like the Bills are playing the Panthers friday. Probably miss the return flight,too .

I was just about to ask who might be flying into ROC to play the Bills. Not surprised you're already on the case! Sorry you'll miss the 764 flights. Let's see if anyone else flies in--or if the Bills fly out. Is the 764 a new type for ROC? I was so glad you got the shot of the World MD-11 when it was in.

I got some shots of the UA 739 in daylight when I was home in June, still need to post them.

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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:49 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 44):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 42):
I see UA 764 UA1855 just filed EWR-ROC . Figures. I'm at work. Looks like the Bills are playing the Panthers friday. Probably miss the return flight,too .

I was just about to ask who might be flying into ROC to play the Bills. Not surprised you're already on the case! Sorry you'll miss the 764 flights. Let's see if anyone else flies in--or if the Bills fly out. Is the 764 a new type for ROC? I was so glad you got the shot of the World MD-11 when it was in.

I got some shots of the UA 739 in daylight when I was home in June, still need to post them.

Jim

Yes,the WO MD-11 was a great catch . That will never happen again . I have some UA 739 shots on the 'other' site. I hate it when work gets in the way of my hobby  
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:05 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 5):
Hawaiian will no longer carry the Raiders.

UA picked them up.

Quoting flyboy730 (Reply 6):
United still flying the Chiefs?

Yes.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 32):
UA is the Official airline of The new Levi's stadium, and will fly the team.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/n...e=all

Incorrect. UA is not flying them.
 
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:26 pm

Quoting xcoaster1 (Reply 28):
Delta (DAL) 8868 New England

Delta flew the Pats from BWI to PVD on a 763 after the horrible preseason game the Pats played last night down at Fedex Field.

Departed at 1:29AM this morning and arrived at 2:20AM.

The plane then flew to ATL from PVD, departing at 3:13AM and arriving at 5:24AM.

Not sure on the tail number, I haven't had time to look.
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RE: 2014 NFL Charters

Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:47 am

The Bills' UA 764 came in and left ROC last night . I doubt that it will return this year (I dont't follow football) .
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