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Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:24 pm

Last week as I was in/out of IAH a couple of times, I noticed what I think were at least 10 ERJ-145s that appeared to be Ex-XJet with either painted over or decaled over tails - guessing Ex-XJet/Ex-CoEx fleet b/c of the NXXXXX tail numbers. Are these part of the 25 ERJs scheduled to leave the fleet according to the United Fleet List site? Are they due for major checks as well?

Ended up on a XJet XR going and an XJet ER coming, the ER was pretty ratty in need of a face-lift...

https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/home

BTW, whoever runs and updates that site, thank you much - keep up the great work.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:27 pm

There are handfuls spread throughout the system, I think.... several photos in the database, at least, at different airports.
I think that, yes, they are all part of the draw down.
And you're definitely right about them needing cabin makeovers... some of the planes are in dire need of some TLC!
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:01 pm

Yes, those are part of the E145 draw-down. About a month ago I noticed a few parked over on the A3 finger; last week there were five, all sequential tail numbers circa Nxx945 and up.

And I saw another one sitting over by the unused B84 gates a few days ago, along with two new E175s.

With the logo and titles painted over, there's little chance they'd return to United service. Since UA is the owner, it's probably less expensive to store themselves until final disposition, whatever that may be....

They have red vinyl covers on the engine inlets and exhausts, speed tape covering the engine cowling gaps, and all the pitots are covered.

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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:06 pm

Quoting stxbohn (Thread starter):
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/home

BTW, whoever runs and updates that site, thank you much - keep up the great work.

I run that site and thanks for the post.
If anyone has N numbers of these aircraft I can update the site. Otherwise it will take some work through FlightAware to see which aircraft are not operating and that will not positively out of service aircraft.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:24 pm

Whatever they do I wish they would get rid of the CRJ-200 ASAP. I want to see those go before the ERJs.
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:29 pm

Well, those in that Acft 925+ and through those 940's are all the EP models from XJT. They are certainly welcome to head to pasture... They are the first off the line and long in the tooth. They are also the absolute least capable of all the 135/145 models ExpressJet has ever operated. Oddly, UA's stated plans call for 104 - 50 seat RJ's in the final (airline long term) plans... ExpressJet has 104 -145XR's... coincidence?
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:36 am

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 4):
Whatever they do I wish they would get rid of the CRJ-200 ASAP. I want to see those go before the ERJs.

I know...I do gag a little when I see one.

And even though the CR2s seem to be less frequent visitors to IAH lately, I have seen some with shiny new UAX paint-jobs, so it would seem they'll be flying around for UAX a little while longer.

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 5):
They are certainly welcome to head to pasture... They are the first off the line and long in the tooth. They are also the absolute least capable of all the 135/145 models ExpressJet has ever operated.

Their retirement is appropriate then. Probably waiting to be flown to the shredder.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:09 am

947 got flown out to IGM today. I'll echo ThePinnacleKid, they are the first off the line and with that come crappy limitations that are associated with early model aircraft. I've said for years I couldn't wait for those aircraft to be sent packing. Little did I know they would be leaving fairly soon after. Only problem I see now is that because of the lack of EPs to cover the IAH market. XRs have been popping up on those EP routes and with that then the LRs wind up popping up on some pretty damn long routes which would have been covered by those XRs. Definitely seen what seems like an increase in flying for the LRs on longer routes out of the ORD market.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:31 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 3):
If anyone has N numbers of these aircraft I can update the site. Otherwise it will take some work through FlightAware to see which aircraft are not operating and that will not positively out of service aircraft.

Last Wednesday, I saw the following parked on the trailer gates on A north at IAH, all looking WFU:

N16944 (last flew June 12)
N14945 (last flew May 25)
N12946 (last flew April 15)
N14947 (last flew April 15)
N15948 (last flew May 14)
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:36 pm

I saw these when I was flying in the weekend, before last - it was the first time I had seen them, and I fly out of IAH a good bit. I wondered if they had just been put there (the A3 'finger') or if they had been there a while and I had just missed them, because I don't usually get taxied around that side.
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:55 pm

What I find kind of interesting is that I flew a 135 a few weeks ago MEM-IAH. Surely those would go before the 145s?
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:41 pm

I presume that the parked RJ will almost certainly never fly for a carrier.

If that assumption is correct why wouldn't someone try to resell them as private planes. I assume they are probably larger and bigger gas hogs that new ones-but surely the capital cost wou
ld be low. I assume also I don't know what I am talking about. Will someone please set me straight.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting wilcal (Reply 10):
What I find kind of interesting is that I flew a 135 a few weeks ago MEM-IAH. Surely those would go before the 145s?

The 135s are generally newer, but I assume their CASM is completely insane. Not sure what UA's rationale is when choosing which model to retire.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:10 pm

Quoting YoungDon (Reply 12):
The 135s are generally newer, but I assume their CASM is completely insane. Not sure what UA's rationale is when choosing which model to retire.
UA owns the 135s. Perhaps the 145s that were retired were not owned by UA? It's hard to tell as most of them have Wells Fargo listed as trustee in the N-number database.

[Edited 2014-08-06 13:12:06]
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:43 pm

I noticed those at IAH yesterday, logs removed, blue paint on tail, and engines covered up. There are also several at a hanger off of 15L. What other airports have them (didn't see any at ORD two weeks ago).
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:19 am

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 13):
UA owns the 135s. Perhaps the 145s that were retired were not owned by UA? It's hard to tell as most of them have Wells Fargo listed as trustee in the N-number database.

Unless it changed with the merger, Continental either owned or leased the entire E145 fleet that was leased or subleased to ExpressJet.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:39 am

This isn't or shouldn't be a surprise since United took a charge off to retire a bunch of ERJ airframes to be replaced by E170/175's
(as a significant reduction in airframe Numbers)
Why they're parked at IAH is a little puzzling. I would think Mojave or Victorville would be more appropriate.
Unless they're going to TUP to be stripped and made into Beer Cans .
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:39 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Last Wednesday, I saw the following parked on the trailer gates on A north at IAH, all looking WFU:

N16944 (last flew June 12)
N14945 (last flew May 25)
N12946 (last flew April 15)
N14947 (last flew April 15)
N15948 (last flew May 14)

Today, only N16944 and N13949 were over on A3. 945-948 must have flown off into another realm...

Edited to add:

Neither 944 nor 949 had cowling covers or speed tape, but livery/logos were painted over.

[Edited 2014-08-06 22:20:28]
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:22 am

I second what Schwiegend said I pulled into A10 tonight and there were only two left on the gates all covers were off and there were Mx trucks near by. I was down about a week ago and the whole A terminal was full with sealed up ERJ.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:50 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 17):
Today, only N16944 and N13949 were over on A3. 945-948 must have flown off into another realm...

Looks like two went to IGM this week:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...7/history/20140806/1900Z/KIAH/KIGM
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20140805/1600Z/KIAH/KIGM (likely 947 per PHLApproach's post above)
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:47 pm

Quoting n7371f (Reply 15):
Unless it changed with the merger, Continental either owned or leased the entire E145 fleet that was leased or subleased to ExpressJet.

Correct, but I'm thinking perhaps CO's lease was expiring on these 145's. Meanwhile they own the 135's outright.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:30 pm

Ships 925-948 are the oldest (and feeblest ) 145s. Their MTW is the lowest and has to be wait restricted on most flights. Good riddance!
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:40 pm

Quoting YoungDon (Reply 12):
The 135s are generally newer, but I assume their CASM is completely insane. Not sure what UA's rationale is when choosing which model to retire.

I think it was nit the airplanes but the overall numbers that had to be reduced to even bring in the E-175's and they'll have to be reduced even Further than this
to comply with what they agreed to with the ALPA contract. The Numbers are pretty Aggressive to say the least.
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:25 pm

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 21):

Their max takeoff weight has nothing to do with it. They are restricted based on max landing weight and zero fuel weight.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:44 am

Ah, My bad, I knew it was max weight something... Either way glad to be rid of them.
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:08 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 15):
Unless it changed with the merger, Continental either owned or leased the entire E145 fleet that was leased or subleased to ExpressJet.
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 20):
Correct, but I'm thinking perhaps CO's lease was expiring on these 145's. Meanwhile they own the 135's outright.

I believe, if I am not mistaken, they were all (mostly) mortgaged around the time of the merger (within maybe a year or two)

It would make sense if you needed the cash, but why have a fleet of owned/mortgaged aircraft that are nearing retirement age?

The 135 fleet that I have seen, though my memory is not 100% on this was not mortgaged.

Anyone have more info on this?
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:12 pm

The 135's were brought back when 9L went down. They where suppose to do most of the old 9L routes but they do vairy in flying to other cities.

Also the 135s where "stored" a few years ago so in which CO/UA is still paying on them as they are in storage. (501-535 tails)
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:19 pm

Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 26):
The 135's were brought back when 9L went down. They where suppose to do most of the old 9L routes but they do vairy in flying to other cities.

I'm not certain that all of the 135s ever left. I recall a 9L to 135 connection (BTR-IAH-BNA) in the late spring or early summer of 2012, just a couple of months before 9L shut down.
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:32 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 27):
I'm not certain that all of the 135s ever left

They did because I remember them being routed through CLE to park on the firehouse pad which I believe about 15 sat there for a month before being ferried to IGM.

When 9L started to park the Saab's is when the 135's returned, and I am not totally sure but I think only about 10 maybe 15 are in service.
 
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:47 pm

All 30, Ships 501-530 did go to Kingman. Nine are back in service 514,515,524-530. How much longer they remain is the Q.
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RE: Ex-UA ERJs Parked At IAH?

Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:16 pm

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 4):
Whatever they do I wish they would get rid of the CRJ-200 ASAP. I want to see those go before the ERJs.

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