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Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:11 am

How time flies! Today marks 25 years since the two carries merged.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQwY2qcMOM
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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:15 am

Is there anything left of the original Piedmont in today's Piedmont, a wholly-owned subsidiary of US Airways?
 
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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:21 am

CLT, the 762s, & Henson Airlines, now renamed Piedmont.
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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:05 am

And a whole bunch of employees, myself included! Started in 1986 - 5 years, 4 months and 19 days to retirement!

Piedmont was a great airline, much missed here in the Carolinas.

But I'm optimistic about the AA merger, so far everything that has happened has been an improvement.
 
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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:28 pm

Boo-hiss. A very anti-competitive merger that never should have been allowed, along with many of the other mergers of 1986-1987. At that time, DOT had jurisdiction, and they should have said: PI-US, TW-OZ, or NW-Republic? Forget it. PI-TW, TW-US, or NW-OZ? Fine. Just nobody with major overlap.

However, as one who flew both Piedmont and US a number of times around, and US after, the merger, I had the sense that some of PI's excellent service culture carried over to the merged carrier. So there seemed at least to be that benefit.

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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:30 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 4):
Boo-hiss. A very anti-competitive merger that never should have been allowed, along with many of the other mergers of 1986-1987.

It wasnt a good merger, but is wasnt anti-competitive anywhere like TW/OZ and NW/RC were. It would two very different business models and cultures.
 
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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:11 pm

I have fond memories of flying Piedmont down to SAV to visit my grandparents as a kid.
 
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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:14 pm

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 3):
And a whole bunch of employees, myself included! Started in 1986 - 5 years, 4 months and 19 days to retirement!

I can only hope your pilot group won't sell out like PSA did. For some reason, I'm not very optimistic.
 
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:20 pm

Quoting flight152 (Reply 7):
I can only hope your pilot group won't sell out like PSA did. For some reason, I'm not very optimistic.

Which US/HP/AA pilot group are you referring to? The history of any of those pilot groups is not very very positive when it refers to dealing with other pilot groups
 
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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:37 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
It wasnt a good merger, but is wasnt anti-competitive anywhere like TW/OZ and NW/RC were. It would two very different business models and cultures.

In much of the Mid-Atlantic, PI and US / AL had substantial overlap due to the PI BWI, SYR, and DAY hubs. The merger was extremely anti-competitive for many markets in those regions.

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Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:52 pm

Side note. Piedmont's first 737-400 to be delivered was flown to the desert yesterday. A/C 406.
 
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:04 pm

I miss Piedmont. They were a great airline and I loved flying them. I still recall my first flight on an ex-Piedmont 737 in 1989 a week after the merger became official when we were welcomed by the announcement "Welcome to Piedmont, er, I mean, US Air flight number... "  

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Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:16 pm

As a past Piedmont Frequent Flier (and as someone who has avoided the airline that purchased them after the destruction of the service ethos that permeated all parts of the operation), I offer the following:

http://www.jetpiedmont.com/commercials/?CID=32

A model of how good an airline can be.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:37 pm

The spirit of Piedmont is still alive and well in the Metrolina (Charlotte metro) area. It's amazing to see how many people have Piedmont decals or novelty Piedmont license plates on their front bumper. The state of NC even issues a Piedmont specialty license plate.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:23 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
The state of NC even issues a Piedmont specialty license plate.

Amazing! Had to look it up myself: NC Piedmont Plate

Not that I didn't believe you, that's just pretty awesome. I wish Indiana had one for TZ, but they didn't have quite the pull Piedmont did once you were outside of Indianapolis.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:07 pm

I always remember when Piedmont started flying to SEA, my mom was at the local watering hole and was entertained by an inebriated but jovial Piedmont pilot trying to coach her on the proper way of pronouncing "Piedmont". lol Gotta love the 80's.  

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Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:09 pm

Quoting TheMSYGuy (Reply 1):

Is there anything left of the original Piedmont in today's Piedmont, a wholly-owned subsidiary of US Airways?

Today's Piedmont was actually Henson Aviation - Piedmont's regional airline. Henson was renamed Piedmont after the PI merger with US. I assume that was to keep the Piedmont brand / logo "in use" - so the logo / trademark for PI is still around.

There might be 1 737-401 still flying for US.

The 767-201's were Piedmont's
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:25 pm

in the comment section for the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQwY2qcMOM


commentoir Sabra S is on track about the railroad having a lot to do with the sale of PI to US. Fact is, NS (or was it still NW at the time) drove up the price of the stock in a pretend bidding war with US for PI. US overpaid for PI (my opinion) and never really recovered. Seems like US paid around $70 a share for an airline that was trading around $35 (maybe higher) a share.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:27 pm

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 17):
commentoir Sabra S is on track about the railroad having a lot to do with the sale of PI to US. Fact is, NS (or was it still NW at the time) drove up the price of the stock in a pretend bidding war with US for PI. US overpaid for PI (my opinion) and never really recovered. Seems like US paid around $70 a share for an airline that was trading around $35 (maybe higher) a share.

It was Norfolk Southern. I forgot about their interest (20%?) in PI.

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Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:51 pm

I am one of those in the Carolina's that misses Piedmont. Service with hospitality.

I flew on this day and got my first exposure to USAIR's idea of customer service.
 
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:55 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 9):
In much of the Mid-Atlantic, PI and US / AL had substantial overlap due to the PI BWI, SYR, and DAY hubs. The merger was extremely anti-competitive for many markets in those regions.

They didnt serve all the same traffic flows. So just because DAY was close to PIT or IND, doesnt mean the same traffic flows were served. DL/WA was less anticompettiive but US/PI wasnt anything like TW/OZ or NW/RC. For instance almost no one would fly CHS-PIT-LAX on US, they would fly CHS-CLT-LAX.
 
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:58 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 18):
I forgot about their interest (20%?) in PI.

right around that - 22% I think.

N&W merged with Southern in 82, so, thanks, it was Norfolk Southern that agreed to sell its shares to US enabling the sale of PI to US.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:35 pm

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Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:24 pm

Love pictures of CLT in the early 1980s. No jet ways and dozens of PI 737s parked next to one another.
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:13 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 15):
I always remember when Piedmont started flying to SEA, my mom was at the local watering hole and was entertained by an inebriated but jovial Piedmont pilot trying to coach her on the proper way of pronouncing "Piedmont". lol Gotta love the 80's.

That would still happen today, lol.

I love the Piedmont photos at LGA above. The CTB looks exactly the same. It's like a museum!
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:15 am

What an anniversary. And it was the beginning of the end of the SYR hub (yes, SYR was a hub at that time!).
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:41 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 23):


Love pictures of CLT in the early 1980s. No jet ways and dozens of PI 737s parked next to one another.

Before the CLT hub, PI had a robust little hub at Roanoke, VA of all places. Would love to see some photos of THAT operation, but I've searched and haven't seen any.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:03 am

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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:13 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 26):
Before the CLT hub, PI had a robust little hub at Roanoke, VA of all places. Would love to see some photos of THAT operation, but I've searched and haven't seen any.

I grew up in Roanoke during that period. By today's standards not that impressive. 50 flights a day at the height (77-78). I think that made for PI's largest station, though.


ROA has n/s service to - AVL, ATL, BLF, CRW, ORD, FAY, SSU, GSO, MGW, HTS, LEX, LYH (wow, did that ever get booked as a o-d trip, 3x daily in '78 positing flights I assume), LGA, PKB, PIT, RIC, SHD, TRI, DCA, INT

(not really sure if I have those codes correct.)
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:24 am

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 28):

ROA has n/s service to - AVL, ATL, BLF, CRW, ORD, FAY, SSU, GSO, MGW, HTS, LEX, LYH (wow, did that ever get booked as a o-d trip, 3x daily in '78 positing flights I assume), LGA, PKB, PIT, RIC, SHD, TRI, DCA, INT

Is ROA-TRI even 100 miles?
Was that jet service? Wow.
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:28 am

Did Piedmont also operate Fokker 100s ? Believe sometime around 1987-88 I flew on one of them MIA-MCO return with my dad for a one day trip to Disney World.

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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:40 am

Quoting quickmover (Reply 29):


Is ROA-TRI even 100 miles?

3 flights a day in 1979. 2x 727-100 and 1x 737-200.  

Check this out:

http://www.departedflights.com/ROA79p1.html

As always, thanks to Greg for his incredible site.

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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:42 am

Quoting quickmover (Reply 29):
s ROA-TRI even 100 miles?
Was that jet service? Wow.

In 1978 is was 2x a day - one 737 and one 727.

Of course after 78, none of the ROA (et. al.) uber short haul lasted very long.

TRI to ROA is about 150 miles

but ROA - LYH 43 miles. 3x daily on a YS-11.

PI flew FLO - FAY using a 737. That is 73 miles.

In the early days, I think PI thought that 737s were jet versions of the FH-227 or Martin 404.  
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:43 am

Quoting bps3458 (Reply 30):
Did Piedmont also operate Fokker 100s ? Believe sometime around 1987-88 I flew on one of them MIA-MCO return with my dad for a one day trip to Disney World.

They might have.
I'm thinking they also had another type of Fokker that was much smaller. Not sure what the model number was, but it looked like 60-80 passenger size.
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:44 am

Quoting quickmover (Reply 33):


They might have.
I'm thinking they also had another type of Fokker that was much smaller. Not sure what the model number was, but it looked like 60-80 passenger size.



It was US that ordered the F100. PI operated the F-28's, some purchased used and some acquired via Empire.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:50 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 34):


It was US that ordered the F100. PI operated the F-28's, some purchased used and some acquired via Empire.

That's the jet.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:51 am

Quoting bps3458 (Reply 30):
Did Piedmont also operate Fokker 100s

No PI did not operate this type. They did operate the F-28 after the merger with Empire.


US Air operated the F-100, they purchased those new, though.

oops always a little late.

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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:59 am

A story I have never heard about PI is how the YS-11's came into the fleet (they were purchased new). That is such an odd bird. I understand the rationale - if you needed a turbo-prop for short field ops in the late mid to late sixties, what were you going take?

But, still. the YS-11? There must be another story.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:15 am

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 37):


But, still. the YS-11? There must be another story.

They operated F-27's as well, but IIRC they got a too-good-to-pass-up deal on the YS-11's
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:19 am

I'm a big fan of Norfolk & Western/NS as a railfan and shareowner, but I'm so glad they didn't paint PI black!

First saw Piedmont at STL late 60s, then at DFW. Back in the days when you could walk through security without a ticket and just watch planes. Nose-to-nose with a PI 722. IIRC, after BN went BK, PI was DFWs third busiest carrier.

Couple 762 questions--How many did PI have? Did they fly anywhere else besides LGW?
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:21 am

Did Puedmont offer First class? If so what was the service like?
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:23 am

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 39):


First saw Piedmont at STL late 60s, then at DFW. Back in the days when you could walk through security without a ticket and just watch planes. Nose-to-nose with a PI 722. IIRC, after BN went BK, PI was DFWs third busiest carrier.

Must have been a charter at STL in the late 60's. Hard to believe PI was DFW's third busiest carrier...EVER. AA/DL would have been numbers 1 and 2. But Ozark had almost hourly flights to STL and TI/CO were still kinda heavy at DFW in those days post-BN shut-down. PI had a few flights to CLT/GSO/RDU at the time but I can't imagine they were #3.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:29 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 41):
Must have been a charter at STL in the late 60's

After I posted, I went and looked at the old route maps on departedflights--and I'm convinced I saw PI at STL (Allegheny and Southern, too)--I'm going to cop out and assume that PI dropped STL before 1973 (the oldest route map shown on that site, lol)
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:30 am

Quoting questions (Reply 40):
Did Puedmont offer First class? If so what was the service like?

not until the 1980's. When they introduced it, it was a big deal becasue PI operated like WN - 1 class service. the fare code was always S - I assumed it meant standard as apposed to F = first and C = coach - what do I know.

I never flew PI in F so I can't relate experience to you. But I know to was a big deal when PI started offering it.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:40 am

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 39):
Couple 762 questions--How many did PI have? Did they fly anywhere else besides LGW?

The 767's entered the fleet right about the time of the merger with US. They were used on runs to LAX as well as LGW (IIRC). Not sure where else.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:51 am

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 37):
A story I have never heard about PI is how the YS-11's came into the fleet (they were purchased new). That is such an odd bird. I understand the rationale - if you needed a turbo-prop for short field ops in the late mid to late sixties, what were you going take?

But, still. the YS-11? There must be another story.

The story I got from Zeke Saunders, who was with PI from the very first day in 1948 until retirement as V.P flight Ops in the early 80s was pretty straightforward. Short version - there were no other options available to serve the smaller cities in the system.

As the 60s were ending, Piedmont needed a modern turbo-prop badly. The Martins entered the fleet in 1961 from TWA and were a stop gap measure. The Fairchild F-27 was in operation since 1958 and PI was happy enough with them to order FH-227s, which had real performance problems operating from the shorter runways in the summer from the mountain stations. The FH-227 wasn't going to hack it. Convair 580/600/640s were used aircraft and not readily available anyway.

The YS-11 was actually a very conventional, well-designed and beautifully built aircraft that Piedmont operated from 1969 to1982 without a single accident or airframe loss. While no barn burner, it performed much better that the FH-227s, which were ditched by 1975.

As it turned out, an excellent choice that bridged that gap to Piedmont's evolution to a major airline.
 
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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:00 am

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 45):
As it turned out, an excellent choice that bridged that gap to Piedmont's evolution to a major airline.

Pretty much the same story I have read. And you are correct, the bird served them well from the last decade as a regional feeder to a major airline. (I just thought there might be another story)

Glad I got a chance to ride in one.

And yes quite a lovely bird.

[Edited 2014-08-06 20:08:55]
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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:19 am

Quoting questions,reply=40


Did Puedmont offer First class? If so what was the service like?
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Initially, only on California flights: CLT-LAX/SFO and DAY-LAX.SFO. F/C went systemwide in 1987.

As far as the service, it was nothing short of amazing Even coach on Calif flight offered hot towels, free wine (California, of course, and electronic headsets (in the days when pneumatic ones were standard), F/C meals and wines would compare to international biz class today.
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1987 was a heady year for PI. The former "local service carrier'' (CAB term) started to fly wide body jets across eight time zones, with 767s flying from CLT to LGW and LAX. Launch customer for the 737-400.

An interesting bit of PI history: the carrier once considered the Yak-40! It never happened. of course. The topic was discussed some time ago: Piedmont Yak-40? It Might Have Been... (by 802flyguy Jan 4 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:14 am

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 42):
After I posted, I went and looked at the old route maps on departedflights--and I'm convinced I saw PI at STL (Allegheny and Southern, too)--I'm going to cop out and assume that PI dropped STL before 1973 (the oldest route map shown on that site, lol)

Here's a great website that fills in the gaps before Departed flights. I don't believe Piedmont ever served St. Louis before de-regulation.

http://www.timetableimages.com/

More fun facts below!

The initial 767 cities were CLT, LGW, TPA, MCO and LAX

Initial Fokker F-28 operations began with re-manufactured -1000s series from Garuda in 1984. Bargain priced at just under 3 million each! The -4000s came with the Empire merger in 1985 and additional -4000s were ordered new for 1987-88 delivery.

Piedmont was the only original local service airline to operate wide bodies and fly transatlantic routes. They were also the last of the original 14 feeder lines to still operate under it's original name, until the 1989 USAir merger.

US Airways is the only major airline made up entirely of local service regional carriers - Allegheny/USAir, Lake Central, Mohawk, Piedmont, PSA and Empire.

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RE: Piedmont / USAir Merger, 25 Years Ago Today

Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:55 am

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 48):
US Airways is the only major airline made up entirely of local service regional carriers - Allegheny/USAir, Lake Central, Mohawk, Piedmont, PSA and Empire.

That is the most overlooked and amazing fact about US Air (US Airways). minus AmWest, US Air is very old school actually. A bunch of regulated regionals (local service ) became a major airline.

Of course what bothers PI fans (or me, anyway) is that PI was going to be a major by itself. And with the name Piedmont. When PI started LGW, I would shake my head and laugh, "Piedmont to London!?! What do people think of an airline with a US regional name like Piedmont flying to London?"
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