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AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:11 pm

This is certainly a surprise. I would have thought we would see BA adding A380 before AF. Are there any rumors regarding BA beginning A380 service out of MIA anytime soon?

http://airlineroute.net/2014/08/06/af-cdgmia-dec14/
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:18 pm

I think AF having issues with utilizing its A380 fleet consistently as in staff newsletter it was mentioned that Miami service was seasonal opportunity to deploy the model to counter what would normally be low demand in existing 380 markets.
Instead I guess they opt to sell tourist seats to go to Florida in winter on aircraft.
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:56 pm

I was SURE this would happen, but everybody at AF said no no no no .

That's good news!!! The 77W is too small for the route!
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:59 pm

I wonder what gate they'll use, since Lufthansa's A380 will be on the ground at the same time. Will AF move to F or will the aviation department add another jet bridge to one of the gates on H?
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:49 pm

Great news. You could write a book of short stories with the constant threads and comments that this was "never going to happen," despite the fact Air France has for very many years indicated to MIA officials it was a possibility.

The plane arrives about 1 hour after Lufthansa takes off; sure it will share that gate.

An A380 gate is under construction at AA's low D gates, ready for British Airways by spring, or earlier.

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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:05 pm

I assume they will get the A380 off the SFO route for the winter season and it will revert back to SFO next summer. Something similar to what LH did with their A380 rotation between MIA and SFO.
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:40 pm

I can't wait for a shot of an AF A380 and A320 together at an airport other than CDG... Haha.
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:49 pm

Quoting kann123air (Reply 6):
I can't wait for a shot of an AF A380 and A320 together at an airport other than CDG... Haha.

Unlikely unless the A380 departure sees an unusually long delay. The Air France A320 leaves early AM and doesn't get back until around 9p-9.30p.
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:15 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
An A380 gate is under construction at AA's low D gates, ready for British Airways by spring, or earlier.

What about QF and EK? Weren't those plans announced awhile back?
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:22 pm

Quoting Fraspotter (Reply 8):

You're thinking of DFW, not MIA.
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:44 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Unlikely unless the A380 departure sees an unusually long delay. The Air France A320 leaves early AM and doesn't get back until around 9p-9.30p.

Hey, it's Air France! You'll have plenty of opportunities to see these two birds together at MIA!
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:48 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
I was SURE this would happen, but everybody at AF said no no no no .
That's good news!!! The 77W is too small for the route!

I think its all about where to put the A380 to do the least losses during winter season. That is how AF news letter explains it.
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:11 am

The AF A380 is such a beautiful bird. Bienvenue a Miami   
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:45 am

I was looking to book a ticket to MIA in March for a family wedding, AF was charging around $900 yesterday when the 77W was the operating aircraft. Today, ever since they put the A380, the price has almost doubled for Y! I was quite surprised, I thought the price would have been cheaper given the increase in seats. Either way, its great to see the AF A380 at MIA, I think it is a majestic looking bird in the AF livery.
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:54 am

Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 10):
Hey, it's Air France! You'll have plenty of opportunities to see these two birds together at MIA!

Exactly what I was thinking.

Great news for MIA. Hope it is here to stay.
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:29 am

Finally! 

Bravo AF, I think it's wise to move the SFO A380 to MIA for the winter, the 77W is too small anyway (and too cramped too, but that's another story)

And it will give me the opportunity to make my first A380 flight in February  
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:34 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 11):

I think its all about where to put the A380 to do the least losses during winter season.

  

I think so too !

Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 10):

Hey, it's Air France! You'll have plenty of opportunities to see these two birds together at MIA!

Ddin't know AF had the reputation of being late all the time !

As far as I'm concerned, that's not the case. Not more than any other major carrier out there.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
That's good news!!! The 77W is too small for the route!

I dont see it that way. Historically, the route went from 744 to 77W a few years ago, a reduction of seats. Also, when KL briefly appeared in MIA, AF reduced MIA to 6 weekly on board the 744 during the winter.

XL airways also serves CDG-MIA, albeit in summer, which just goes to show that wintertime traffic might just not be there.

I think this has more to do with putting the A380 somewhere during the winter where it can make the least amount of damage.

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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:05 pm

Will it use the Lufthansa gate or will a gate in concourse I, Delta Concourse, be reconfigured ? With the heavy use of concourse J and increase in I, which AF currently uses, it would be good to have a second A380 gate in the new concourse J complex.
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:08 pm

Quoting kl838 (Reply 13):
Today, ever since they put the A380, the price has almost doubled for Y!

Yes, this is also what I saw yesterday. That's weird. I think there is a bug in the system. Otherwise, those A380s will fly empty!!!
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:16 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 1):
I think AF having issues with utilizing its A380 fleet consistently as in staff newsletter it was mentioned that Miami service was seasonal opportunity to deploy the model to counter what would normally be low demand in existing 380 markets.

I honestly think that is the headline of this thread.

380 doesn't have many places to go...let's send it somewhere warm for the winter.

This bird is quickly proving to be too much capacity at just about every airline except Emirates.

The upside...congrats MIA!
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:58 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 16):
Historically, the route went from 744 to 77W a few years ago

A few years? No! A few months ago only!

Also, historically, AF used to have a second daily flight (not sure if it was daily though) using an A343 IIRC
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:01 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 19):
380 doesn't have many places to go...let's send it somewhere warm for the winter.

I thought if they're running out of ideas, sending it to a major Delta fortress hub would be a safe bet

say ... convert 2 winter 767/330 frequencies ATL-CDG to a single Airbus 380-800
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:23 pm

AF had indicated that MIA A380 service was a possibility years ago. I'm glad it's going to finally happen, it will be nice to see another A380 operator at MIA. I suppose BA could be next.

Doesn't BA have 2x 744 daily LHR-MIA now?
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:27 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 19):
This bird is quickly proving to be too much capacity at just about every airline except Emirates.

SQ continues to order more. BA and LH have reported nothing but good things about it. AF has had problems with it but personally I think that's more AF's own problems than the aircraft. Honestly with the exception of AF, I haven't heard any regrets from any other airline.

What's funny to me is that changing aircraft sizes to adjust for seasonal capacity has always been common practice in the airline industry. It's something that has been done for decades without much notice. But when the A380 is involved in such a practice all of sudden it reflects poorly on the airplane.

For example, before the A380, when LH went from 747/A346 to A343 on some of its U.S. routes during the northern winter, no one said a thing about the 747 being too much capacity, but now if they switch from A380 to 747, that's somehow an indication that the A380 is too much airplane and the airline should have never ordered it, and we have a 300 post thread about it.
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:28 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 11):
I think its all about where to put the A380 to do the least losses during winter season.

That's how I understood it as well. I mean good for MIA, but it's not like it's a huge accomplishment to be the lessor of two evils, so to speak.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:59 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 20):
A few years? No! A few months ago only!

parts of summer 2012 and all of winter 2013 were operated by B77W on CDG-MIA.

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Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:40 pm

What I think is kind of cool and indicative of the demand to/from South Florida and Europe is that both LH and AF do not belong to One World.
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:39 pm

This decision shows how much Air France doesn't know what to do with its A380 ....
After YUL, DXB and SFO, ABJ and MIA will soon be added to the list "where-the-hell-can-we-send-this-plane" ...
 
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:13 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 27):
After YUL, DXB and SFO, ABJ and MIA will soon be added to the list "where-the-hell-can-we-send-this-plane" ..

Well the issue with A380 and AF might be the number of C class seats: on YUL ABJ or MIA it's not a problem to fill 390 eco seats for AF, but I am not so sure about 80 biz +9 F

Everytime I checked the loads of an AF A380 I certainly didn't see 80 biz + 9F seats taken....while the Y was very good
Maybe AF should apply to the A380 what they do with some 777 : shave off some C class seats to replace them by Y when needed
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:17 am

Loads are pretty good in F and business in JFK, IAD and LAX
and business class is working very well on PVG, JNB
The big surprise is SFO where premium seats are selling very well
YUL was a big mistake and the change was radical with a high density 777 ( 14J 36 W 422 Y ) in the summer and a 340 and 747 with no first class and limited capacity in business.
ABJ is a very diffrent route. Many of you think it s a low yield market ... it s not ! First class sells very well and business is generally full on a 777 with 8P and 67 J ... an A380 will have 1 more seat in P and 13 more in J which is not a big increase. Ivory coast is growing fast and France remains by far the first commercial partner of the country. Moreover AF has supported the creation of Air Cote d Ivoire and hopes in the future to make ABJ a small hub for west africa .
MIA is a big challenge . Flights are full but with only 42J. The increase in Y and W shouldn t be a problem ... but will AF be able to fill 38 more seats in J and will there be some passengers to fill a bit the first class.
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:26 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 25):
parts of summer 2012 and all of winter 2013 were operated by B77W on CDG-MIA.

yes, I know, but we can't see that they are operating the 77W to MIA for years!!
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:12 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 11):
I think its all about where to put the A380 to do the least losses during winter season. That is how AF news letter explains it.

This is a crazy place to be for AF.

If loss making VS had done the honourable thing instead of pimping out LHR to anyone that fancied a roll of the dice there BA would have far greater use for the A380.

All of VS's cherry picked routes ( how they don't make money still amazes me ) are potential A380 routes for BA.

We would have seen double daily A380 on several destinations maybe treble to LAX.

Even JFK would have seen the A380 on a couple of the dailies without sacrificing frequency.

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Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:30 pm

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 31):
If loss making VS had done the honourable thing instead of pimping out LHR to anyone that fancied a roll of the dice there BA would have far greater use for the A380.

So VX isn't doing the "honourable thing" by actually trying to compete? According to your statement, the "honourable thing" to do would be to fold, makes many lose their jobs, allow prices to be driven up because there would now be less competition, just so British Airways can fly more a380s...
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:54 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 32):
So VX isn't doing the "honourable thing" by actually trying to compete? According to your statement, the "honourable thing" to do would be to fold, makes many lose their jobs, allow prices to be driven up because there would now be less competition, just so British Airways can fly more a380s...

Make what you will of it.
 
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:09 pm

Quoting VARIG MD-11 (Reply 28):
Well the issue with A380 and AF might be the number of C class seats: on YUL ABJ or MIA it's not a problem to fill 390 eco seats for AF, but I am not so sure about 80 biz +9 F

  
There are very few markets from Paris that can support that kind of premium volume. Paris may be the biggest tourism destination in the World but it's far from being the largest business destination on the World. AF needs to reconfigure these birds to a larger Y cabin and smaller premium cabins.
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:39 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 34):
There are very few markets from Paris that can support that kind of premium volume. Paris may be the biggest tourism destination in the World but it's far from being the largest business destination on the World. AF needs to reconfigure these birds to a larger Y cabin and smaller premium cabins.

Agreed. The AF-LH dynamic on A380 feels a lot like the TG-SQ one.

But at least TG is rather consistent on knowing where to send the bird while AF seems to be throwing darts onto a board even with decades of volume and revenue data.
 
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:40 pm

Paris has 12 million inhabitants , is the capital of the fifth economy in the world and france is home to 31 of the 500 most global companies !
AF still has large business class and can fill them on most routes.
Some markets are very low yield like YUL and AF has the aircraft for that. The problem with the A380 is that it represents two planes in one and that many times AF doesn t want to reduce frequency on a certain route meaning generally an important increase in capacity.
Some routes are perfect for this plane et for AF but are not ready . GRU being the best example.

Most of AF 's A380 routes make sense and have good yields in every class except first .
MIA is a surprise ABJ not . Africa is a strong market for air france and business and first are generally full

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Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:45 pm

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 31):

If loss making VS had done the honourable thing instead of pimping out LHR to anyone that fancied a roll of the dice there BA would have far greater use for the A380.

All of VS's cherry picked routes ( how they don't make money still amazes me ) are potential A380 routes for BA.

We would have seen double daily A380 on several destinations maybe treble to LAX.

Even JFK would have seen the A380 on a couple of the dailies without sacrificing frequency.

Ehhh ? How did we go from AF MIA 380 to the age old rivalry between BA and VS ?
 
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:28 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 37):
Ehhh ? How did we go from AF MIA 380 to the age old rivalry between BA and VS ?

BA's bread and butter is the north Atlantic as we all know. They have a far greater presence and demand than either AF or LH.

As of now BA only has 2 A380's on the north Atlantic to one destination and yet they have 6 in the fleet so far.

LH and AF have several A380's on the north Atlantic to several destinations yet they are citing over capacity and falling yields in that area.

That doesn't make any sense.

This isn't about airlines it's about the traffic the airports can provide. In this case LHR, CDG and FRA.
 
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:40 pm

Quoting frenchyflyer (Reply 36):
AF still has large business class and can fill them on most routes.

You're very confident in AF....then I guess when the economy kicks up, AF will turn a multi million profit....

Where you're right about the J good loads is ABJ: but comes next revolution and that's finished: ex-president Gbagbo supporters are held by thousands in camps remote from ABJ...one day or another they will want their share of the "growth"

You're also right about GRU or GIG: if the airports were ready, AF would make a kill with the A380 as brazilians would gladly abandon JJ for AF, especially at GIG since JJ direct CDG flight has been axed

Quoting frenchyflyer (Reply 36):
The problem with the A380 is that it represents two planes in one

It's an AF 747 with an enlarged J class.....that's the issue: few routes can handle so much J but a lot can handle 400 Y

Anyway, I can't wait to buy my ticket
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:51 pm

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 38):
BA's bread and butter is the north Atlantic as we all know. They have a far greater presence and demand than either AF or LH.

Time to consider some facts:

1. The largest Alliance Joint Venture on the Atlantic:
= SKYTEAM 23% of industry transatlantic capacity
= Market leader
= 98 flights per day
= Revenue: $11bn

Source: AF/KLM


Highest Atlantic Growth of all European carriers 2008 -> 2013:
= AF/KL/AZ +31%
= LH Group +28%
= BA/IB +26%

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Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:52 pm

Quoting frenchyflyer (Reply 36):
Some routes are perfect for this plane et for AF but are not ready

It has been mentioned here that AF officers have mentioned that MEX would warrant the A380 (the problem indeed is that MEX is not A380-ready), but to be fair I have many doubts. MEX is not a premium-heavy 77W route. It is a 2-class 744 route. It would appear that AF does not see a market for F-class to/from MEX, so an A380 would be absolutely disastrous. Anyway...
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:08 pm

Quoting VARIG MD-11 (Reply 28):
Well the issue with A380 and AF might be the number of C class seats: on YUL ABJ or MIA it's not a problem to fill 390 eco seats for AF, but I am not so sure about 80 biz +9 F

Swiss will be sending 16F and 90J seats out of Miami this winter each way on a daily basis; British Airways and Lufthansa send even more of each. If Air France is having difficulty filling 80J and 9F at reasonable loads, in one of the country's largest long-haul markets (Miami-Paris is 400+ PDEW), then there is a bigger problem at hand. Its a vacation market make no mistake, but so is Miami-Frankfurt, which is half the local market size.
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:18 pm

True BA is the biggest North Atlantic player, but they tend (overall) to go for frequency, so it's not surprising that they don't offer much A380 service across the pond.

I had thought that they would consolidate some of those hourly evening departures from JFK with fewer but larger A380 flights, but clearly they find the frequency advantage to be working for them.
 
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:26 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 40):

Predictable response but I'm referring to mainline BA, LH, AF ops.
 
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:40 pm

Quoting VARIG MD-11 (Reply 39):
You're very confident in AF....then I guess when the economy kicks up, AF will turn a multi million profit....

AF has a lot of issues to resolve before generating a sizable profit but long haul has never been a problem for AF KLM .
The airline has to face like the others stiff competition from the MEB3 and Turkish but otherwise numbers are good.
The major problem is that on the other side the airline is loosing a lot of money on short haul ( the train is by far the main competitor ) and on medium haul where low costs are gaining ground fast.
Cargo is also not doing well and the status of the french economy is not helping .
 
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Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:03 pm

Quoting frenchyflyer (Reply 45):

How dependent on AF short haul for feed is the AF long haul network ?

Is there much scope for more drastic restructuring of AF short haul that doesn't make money or benefit satisfactorily AF long haul ?
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:25 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 40):

1. The largest Alliance Joint Venture on the Atlantic:
= SKYTEAM 23% of industry transatlantic capacity
= Market leader
= 98 flights per day
= Revenue: $11bn

Source: AF/KLM

Can you clarify :

1. Does "skyteam 23%" mean the whole Skyteam (including the non-JV'ed carriers) together have 23% ?

2. Does the 23%/98flights include only North Atlantic or both north and south ? Does Saudi-US flights count within that list ?

3. By "market leader", how far are they ahead of the other 2 groups ? Are we talking 23-15 gap or more like 23-21 gap ?

4. By "market leader" is that ASM, unit pax, or RPM ?
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:51 pm

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 46):
How dependent on AF short haul for feed is the AF long haul network ?

There are some domestic flights to CDG that are feeders and they are not the reason for the losses. The major problem is the domestic network from Orly which represents quite a big part of the airline activities.
The train has killed a few years ago the route between Orly and Lyon then reduced activity on orly marseille. Strasbourg used until 2008 to have a lot of flights the train killed the route .
Then there are the interior routes between regional cities and there easyjet and volotea are attacking ( easyjet on bordeaux lyon especially ).
AF restructured it s regional airlines ( brit air, regional, airlinair ) into one named Hop ! and this activity is getting better financially.
AF still continues to loose a lot of money on it s three regional bases ( marseille, nice and toulouse ).
The domestic sector is supposed to make a profit which is not the case for the short and medium haul from CDG who are feeders ( well at least no loses ) .
 
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RE: AF Launching A380 Service To MIA

Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:28 am

I'm back!

This is just fantastic news! Very glad to see this happening. I need to admit that I was wrong for doubting this could ever happen.

I heard that MIA would eventually add a 2nd A380 gate. But for now I'm assuming they will share with Lufthansa.

Anyhow.. Congrats MIA and Air France!
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