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CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:19 am

Hello all,

Long time observer, first time posting.

Today (06AUG) was China Southern's inaugural flight from Guangzhou to New York. CZ399 arrived at JFK Terminal 4 at 0526.L
Flight will be operated 4x weekly utilizing a 77W with 4F/32C/44PE/227Y.

CSN399 CAN0140 - JFK0515
CSN300 JFK1115 - CAN1515

Sorry, no shots of the water cannon salut or inaugural ceremony.

 
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:22 am

At least 2 of my close friends are excited about this service because they can finally take a nonstop back to their hometown
 
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:37 am

I was just thinking about how brutal a 16 hour redeye would be in Y.

I am sure they will do well. Nice to see another new carrier at JFK
 
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:07 am

Congrats CZ. What are the chances of an upgrade to an A380, either in the near or distant future?
 
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:32 am

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 3):
Congrats CZ. What are the chances of an upgrade to an A380, either in the near or distant future?

Well they have been serving the route all of one day. May be a little time till they know if it can support an A380. But from what I remember, they struggle to fill the 380 to LAX, so wouldn't hold my breath on JFK.
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kaichinshih
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:04 am

This is the longest flight ever from China
13,500km, 16hrs
IMO will be a little threatening to CX
 
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:18 am

Not a bad product for the premium classes.

http://www.wcarn.com/news/32/32743.html

Just noticed that CZ operates A380 / B787-8 and now B777-300ER!
Let's just blame it on yields.
 
CZ326
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:40 pm

Pretty good. Hoping for the frequencies to increase to daily, which it could potentially do so.
 
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:15 pm

Quoting kaichinshih (Reply 5):
This is the longest flight ever from China
13,500km, 16hrs
IMO will be a little threatening to CX
CAN-JFK is 12,878 km.

Hong Kong to JFK, EWR and DFW are all longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight

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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:14 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 8):
Hong Kong to JFK, EWR and DFW are all longer.

Perhaps he meant to say the furthest flight from Mainland China, as Hong Kong is still a "Special Administrative Region" of the PRC.
 
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:25 pm

Quoting kaichinshih (Reply 5):

This is the longest flight ever from China
13,500km, 16hrs
IMO will be a little threatening to CX

I do not think CX has to worry a whole lot though, since CX's op from North America connects to their HKG hub with flights literally to all over the world, not saying CZ is any less, but as far as hard product CX is far more superior.

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 9):
Perhaps he meant to say the furthest flight from Mainland China, as Hong Kong is still a "Special Administrative Region" of the PRC.

Am I sensing there might be a longest flight route battle???   
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:15 am

Hopefully, DL will codeshare on this route, as well as LAX. DL has feed into JFK and LAX and CZ has connections out of CAN. This may play into DL's reduction of Asian operations. Maybe a joint venture realtionship?
 
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:35 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 8):
Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 9):
Quoting pasu129 (Reply 10):

Nope there's no battle. It is a fact that CZ is using this 'longest flight' statement in its campaigns. CZ claims that the CAN-JFK route is the longest flight ever in Chinese civil aviation history.

Usually, even though it claims rights over Taiwan and controls Hong Kong & Macao, China never includes operations by TW, HK, MO in its lists of Chinese data (in this case, the longest routes).
 
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:09 am

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 11):
Hopefully, DL will codeshare on this route, as well as LAX. DL has feed into JFK and LAX and CZ has connections out of CAN. This may play into DL's reduction of Asian operations.

Considering how DL totally downgraded CZ in the SkyMiles program I don't think they are too keen on sending many folks that way.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 11):
Maybe a joint venture realtionship?

No ATI JV are possible with mainland Chinese airlines.
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RE: CZ Inaugurates CAN-JFK

Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:34 am

What an ugly ugly ugly plane!!!
With all the money they have to buy 787s and a380s, cant they hire professional designers to come up with a decent livery?? And interiors are a shame. Come on, which century are they in?
This is ridiculous. How are they expected to compete with CX?
CZ is a lost cause. Last month I flew in one of their 737. Still smelled like new, yet felt like back to the 80s.

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