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DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:11 pm

Per the link, in September DL will eliminate service on MEM-DEN and MEM-AUS. Service to LAS will also draw down for the Winter, with a promised return next summer. The airline will add 2 additional flights on MEM-ATL. The article claims that this will leave Delta serving 18 destinations nonstop from MEM with 37 daily flights. I though Delta had drawn down to just serving their hubs at ATL/DTW/MSP/SLC but I guess there is still a wider variety of destinations served from there. Do they still serve Dallas?

http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news...ines-cutting-more-memphis-flights/
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:19 pm

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Thread starter):
Service to LAS will also draw down for the Winter, with a promised return next summer.

Yes, people hate going to warm places in the Winter. Makes perfect sense. I'm sure it will return just in time for LAS' 109 degree Summer temps. ROTFL.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:24 pm

I predict that, in a desperate attempt to show it's really, really serious about cutting service at MEM, DL will one day mistakenly withdraw completely.  
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:25 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

Yes, people hate going to warm places in the Winter. Makes perfect sense. I'm sure it will return just in time for LAS' 109 degree Summer temps. ROTFL.

LAS can be quite chilly in winter - easily reach low 30's F (0-3 C) at night.

The most comfortable times to visit LAS are actually Spring and Fall
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:57 pm

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Thread starter):
Do they still serve Dallas?

DL still serves handful non-hub cities from MEM. They are DFW, IAH, MSY, MCO, RDU, PIT, MCI, IND, and ORD. All 1-2 a day except ORD (3 daily). DL has been reducing frequency for these cities so I assume the number of destinations will keep decreasing.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:58 pm

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Thread starter):
I though Delta had drawn down to just serving their hubs at ATL/DTW/MSP/SLC but I guess there is still a wider variety of destinations served from there. Do they still serve Dallas?

They still have DCA, LGA, LAX and MCO plus a handful of RJ flights to various places but IIRC there is not a lot of connectivity between these flights... I can't imagine that most of those RJ flights are sustainable at all... last time I was in MEM the DL terminal was a ghost town - kind of sad if you have any connection to or fond memories of MEM...
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:00 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 3):
LAS can be quite chilly in winter - easily reach low 30's F (0-3 C) at night.

The most comfortable times to visit LAS are actually Spring and Fall

Just goes to show that Delta isn't making what they want off of these routes - despite Vegas getting a little cold at night in the winter, it's still a very busy and bustling place with conventions and trade show during this time of the year. Memphis just isn't cutting it.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:03 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 6):
it's still a very busy and bustling place with conventions and trade show during this time of the year.

Yes and no. Traffic at Vegas is about 20% lower in the winter than compared with spring/summer/fall.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:03 pm

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Thread starter):
I though Delta had drawn down to just serving their hubs at ATL/DTW/MSP/SLC but I guess there is still a wider variety of destinations served from there. Do they still serve Dallas?

Yes, they still serve DFW (twice daily). The draw-down of destinations since the de-hub announcement has been gradual (possibly due to existing corporate contracts?). I currently see the following DL destinations in September with the LAS seasonal ending on 10/22.

ATL 10x
IAH 2x
CVG 2x
LGA
MCO
DTW 3x
PIT
ORD 3x
DCA
LAX
DFW 2x
IND 2x
MSP 3x
MSY
SLC
RDU
MCI
LAS (suspended 10/22)

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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:04 pm

In January, CVG is still showing 2 CRJs.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:09 pm

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 4):
DL still serves handful non-hub cities from MEM. They are DFW, IAH, MSY, MCO, RDU, PIT, MCI, IND, and ORD. All 1-2 a day except ORD (3 daily). DL has been reducing frequency for these cities so I assume the number of destinations will keep decreasing.

I, too, find it hard to imagine many of these non-hub RJ routes being sustainable, especially the ones to competitors' hubs (DFW, IAH, ORD, etc.) where competitors offer more frequency, ofter on larger aircraft.

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 5):
They still have DCA, LGA, LAX and MCO plus a handful of RJ flights to various places but IIRC there is not a lot of connectivity between these flights

I would think DCA and LGA are both large business O&D markets, so I still find it interesting that Delta only flies a single daily RJ on each route. DCA also has AA/USAirways competition, but remarkably LGA has no competition (though United does have a couple of ERJs to EWR) - I still think LGA-MEM is a huge opportunity for a competitor to come in and make life interesting for Delta.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:11 pm

Quoting seatback (Reply 9):
In January, CVG is still showing 2 CRJs.

Yes, but CVG is still considered a DL hub.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:15 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 10):
I still think LGA-MEM is a huge opportunity for a competitor to come in and make life interesting for Delta.

I wonder if AA will get in on this eventually - with the US flights, AA will have a not-too-shabby presence in MEM... I'm not a know-it-all about LGA slots like I am about DCA so who knows what's feasible for anybody...
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:20 pm

Quoting michman (Reply 11):

Quoting seatback (Reply 9):
In January, CVG is still showing 2 CRJs.

Yes, but CVG is still considered a DL hub.

Wowever it wasn't mentioned as a destination from MEM until you did so.  
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:28 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 10):
I still think LGA-MEM is a huge opportunity for a competitor to come in and make life interesting for Delta.

But I'm not sure who would want to waste slots on such a route? The only carrier is probably AA and I'm not convinced that demand between MEM and LGA is that great to justify it for AA. If Delta which as a large operation at LGA, plus the largest presence at MEM can't make more than 1 flight work, I just don't see it for AA.

Maybe someone like F9 or NK if they could get the slots. We did see F9 add IAD-MEM which was kind of weird.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:30 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
Yes and no. Traffic at Vegas is about 20% lower in the winter than compared with spring/summer/fall.

Yes but folks are generally paying a bit more to get there when everyone decides at the last minute to head to CES and whatever big huge bash Paul Mitchell decides to throw during that time, etc. etc.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:31 pm

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Thread starter):
The article claims that this will leave Delta serving 18 destinations nonstop from MEM with 37 daily flights.

If it wasn't already, this means RDU will be a larger DL station than MEM now, and IND will be about equal with MEM.
I guess I hadn't realized things had drawn down so much.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:36 pm

Quoting michman (Reply 11):
Yes, but CVG is still considered a DL hub.

Which is impressive to be called "hub" considering it's down to barely 100 daily flights each way

I never understood this long painful drawn-out process DL is using for MEM and CVG ... maybe death by a thousand cuts sounds less bad in the PR perspective than UA's sudden and complete chop of CLE (but potentially smarter from a financial perspective)
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:09 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 13):
Wowever it wasn't mentioned as a destination from MEM until you did so.  

Yes, but the previous poster noted he was listing the non-hub destinations.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
Which is impressive to be called "hub" considering it's down to barely 100 daily flights each way

I never understood this long painful drawn-out process DL is using for MEM and CVG ... maybe death by a thousand cuts sounds less bad in the PR perspective than UA's sudden and complete chop of CLE (but potentially smarter from a financial perspective)

Um, UA did not do a "complete chop" at CLE. Like DL at MEM, UA has kept a number non-stop's to strategic destinations to primarily serve O&D flyers. CVG has been largely stable for a couple years now.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:19 pm

Quoting michman (Reply 18):

Um, UA did not do a "complete chop" at CLE. Like DL at MEM, UA has kept a number non-stop's to strategic destinations to primarily serve O&D flyers. CVG has been largely stable for a couple years now.

Not "complete" in the sense that non-hub routes still exist, but it's quite abrupt - 200 flights to 70-something within a few months, and stripped of the "hub" title overnight

I'm curious as to how much long CVG can keep that title that is only in name.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:44 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
Which is impressive to be called "hub" considering it's down to barely 100 daily flights each way

They've right-sized the market, with a focus on O&D with connecting traffic as gravy.

Quoting michman (Reply 18):
CVG has been largely stable for a couple years now.

Oddly, CVG seems to have found it's place in the DL network. Somewhere between a hub and a focus city (RDU).
Unless something major happens in the industry and things remain stable, I would expect CVG to maintain its status quo.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:18 pm

The discontinuation of DEN & AUS has been planned for quite awhile (we discussed it several months ago in one of the OAG threads).

LAS was planned at only 3x weekly. Quite frankly, it's more surprising DL continued to operate the route. Even during the peak of the MEM hub, it never operated more than 1x daily, typically with 320 equipment (later downgaugued to less-than-daily 319).

- - -

In addition to MEM-LAS going seasonal, CVG-SEA will go seasonal as well.

[Edited 2014-08-07 11:31:55]
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:40 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 21):
CVG-SEA will go seasonal as well.

I believe it does every season. However, surprising the route can't support at least one daily year round, considering Seattle's connections to Asia/Alaska and other cities in the Northwest along with CVG's O&D and connecting traffic. That should at least fill a 737 or A319.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:54 pm

Surprised they dropped SFO and surprised UA hasn't picked it up.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:10 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 23):
Surprised they dropped SFO and surprised UA hasn't picked it up.

Fewer than 100 people travel between MEM/SFO each way, on a route more than 1800 miles.

Still surprised?
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:19 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 24):
Fewer than 100 people travel between MEM/SFO each way, on a route more than 1800 miles.

Still surprised?

SFO-DEN-MEM is also only 32 miles longer than the nonstop
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:30 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
uoting michman (Reply 11):
Yes, but CVG is still considered a DL hub.

Which is impressive to be called "hub" considering it's down to barely 100 daily flights each way

I never understood this long painful drawn-out process DL is using for MEM and CVG ... maybe death by a thousand cuts sounds less bad in the PR perspective than UA's sudden and complete chop of CLE (but potentially smarter from a financial perspective)
Quoting a380787 (Reply 19):
I'm curious as to how much long CVG can keep that title that is only in name.

In my lowly opinion, Delta is trying to weasel it's way out both MEM and CVG. MEM is too close to ATL and CVG is also too close to DTW.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:38 pm

Quoting seatback (Reply 20):
Oddly, CVG seems to have found it's place in the DL network. Somewhere between a hub and a focus city (RDU).
Unless something major happens in the industry and things remain stable, I would expect CVG to maintain its status quo.

Don't be fooled into thinking that. CVGs day will come as well.

Hubs with US airlines that are at some risk:

UA: IAD, LAX
AA: JFK, PHX
DL: CVG, NRT
WN: ATL


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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:45 pm

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 26):
In my lowly opinion, Delta is trying to weasel it's way out both MEM and CVG. MEM is too close to ATL and CVG is also too close to DTW.
Delta's ultimate goal may be to use these two cities as no more than origin and destination cities.

Why would DL have to weasel their way out of MEM and CVG? I don't think they're under any sort of legal obligation to serve either city at any set level. (Obviously correct me if I'm wrong about that...)
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:55 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 27):
UA: IAD, LAX
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 27):
AA: JFK, PHX
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 27):
WN: ATL

Personally, I think all of those have way, way more going for them - as "hubs," large operations or otherwise - for these respective carriers than CVG or MEM do.
 
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:07 pm

AA is going no where at JFK. They'd be crazy to give up the amazing O&D that exist there. Granted, I'm sure they'd be happy with PHL handling the bulk of connecting traffic.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 27):
Don't be fooled into thinking that. CVGs day will come as well.

It could be argued that CVG's day did come a few years ago. From 600 flights to 100 is drastic. I think things will stay the way it is until we see WN enter, which I'm not holding my breath.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:10 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 29):
Personally, I think all of those have way, way more going for them - as "hubs," large operations or otherwise - for these respective carriers than CVG or MEM do.

In uncompetitive markets (like IAD, CVG or MEM), steady service probably tells us something. CVG seems to have found a bit of a sweet spot for DL, and with oil prices much less volatile than they were 5 years ago, CVG may stay in that sweet spot for a while. MEM, which remains in free fall, is different.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:25 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 31):
In uncompetitive markets (like IAD, CVG or MEM), steady service probably tells us something. CVG seems to have found a bit of a sweet spot for DL, and with oil prices much less volatile than they were 5 years ago, CVG may stay in that sweet spot for a while. MEM, which remains in free fall, is different.

MEM peaks at 36 flights this fall, with more than half to trunk DL hubs. I'd imagine that many of the remaining non-hub services are dependent on corporate contracts, and DL is probably heavily vested into the corporate (FedEx, etc.) arena. That said, it's more than pausable that some destinations -- like DFW, which has seen a surge in AA capacity -- will be cut... but really, there's not much left.

CVG has more-or-less been stagnant the past several years, although overall capacity/ASM continues to drop slightly (e.g. there's no growth). With the decrease in 50-seaters -- which make up about 60% of DL's movements -- it'll be interesting to see the direction the hub takes.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:50 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 32):
I'd imagine that many of the remaining non-hub services are dependent on corporate contracts, and DL is probably heavily vested into the corporate (FedEx, etc.)

I'm pretty sure the PIT and IND routes exist in part to ferry FedEx employees around, as there is a corporate presence in both cities.

I kind of wonder why MCI has stayed in there, no idea what type of business traffic that gets.

It's interesting that since the de-hubbing, there is no longer air service between MEM and BNA, the state capital, none with STL, which has some regional business and cultural ( sports) ties, and only a single daily flight to MSY ( see STL).
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:28 pm

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Reply 33):
It's interesting that since the de-hubbing, there is no longer air service between MEM and BNA, the state capital, none with STL, which has some regional business and cultural ( sports) ties, and only a single daily flight to MSY ( see STL).

That's the competition from cars on (generally not-too crowded) Interstate highways. It's 220 miles MEM-BNA. Neither airport is a big (traditional) hub so a carrier is generally looking at just O&D traffic. No one should be surprised at the lack of a flight.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:36 pm

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 28):

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 26):
In my lowly opinion, Delta is trying to weasel it's way out both MEM and CVG. MEM is too close to ATL and CVG is also too close to DTW.
Delta's ultimate goal may be to use these two cities as no more than origin and destination cities.

Why would DL have to weasel their way out of MEM and CVG? I don't think they're under any sort of legal obligation to serve either city at any set level. (Obviously correct me if I'm wrong about that...)

That is some of my cynicism. Richard Anderson made several promises when the "merger" between Delta and Northwest was in the approval process that MEM would not be negatively affected after the merger.
I know there can be business changes that occur that could have negatively affected MEM. However, I don't think Richard had any intention of retaining MEM any where near the levels that he was promising. He wanted the merger approved and would say what he thought necessary to gain the approval and deal with the conciseness of his failure to keep to his word. He is a very smart lawyer and was willing to take any risks necessary to get the merger approved.   
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:01 pm

Good thing MEM didn't want to negotiate DAL's landing fee$.....

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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:14 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
Which is impressive to be called "hub" considering it's down to barely 100 daily flights each way

I never understood this long painful drawn-out process DL is using for MEM and CVG ... maybe death by a thousand cuts sounds less bad in the PR perspective than UA's sudden and complete chop of CLE (but potentially smarter from a financial perspective)

The long and drawn out process by DL at MEM and CVG has to some extent kept their market share up and kept other carriers from gaining a strong foothold, especially at CVG.

On the other hand, UA's swift and sudden closure of the CLE hub left lots of point to point routes ripe for the picking by other carriers and new corporate contracts to be had. In fact, every other carrier at CLE announced new routes or expanded frequencies within months of UA's announcement. Had UA done the long and drawn out process at CLE like DL did for CVG and MEM, the expansion by other carriers at CLE likely wouldn't have happened to the extent it did, keeping a larger share for UA. Likewise, if DL had in 2009 cut down to 100 or so daily flights in one fell swoop, I'm sure the service at CVG right now would look completely different from other carriers.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:19 am

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 16):
If it wasn't already, this means RDU will be a larger DL station than MEM now, and IND will be about equal with MEM.
I guess I hadn't realized things had drawn down so much.


MEM will be roughly equal to CMH as well.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:03 am

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 12):
AA will have a not-too-shabby presence in MEM

The AA/US merger has created a very competitive MEM schedule. With 22 omni directional departures (12 December), American is becoming a true alternative.

Quoting commavia (Reply 10):
LGA-MEM is a huge opportunity

  
There's an impressive list of companies headquartered or with large operations in Memphis. American starting a LGA nonstop is only a matter of time.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:34 am

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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:32 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 21):
LAS was planned at only 3x weekly. Quite frankly, it's more surprising DL continued to operate the route. Even during the peak of the MEM hub, it never operated more than 1x daily, typically with 320 equipment (later downgaugued to less-than-daily 319).

Actually not correct. Just up until the MEM downgrade, LAS had 2-3 daily nonstops on DL for many years. I used these flights frequently, in order to avoid crappy ATL. The past year for DL at LAS has been most disappointing. A city once considered to be DL's possible replacement to SLC, has reduced service there to a level that now alarms me as a DL Diamond member. Frequency sucks (even to ATL) and they are pushing us onto CR9s on the west coast. They are no longer properly serving the LAS market.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:27 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 41):
Actually not correct. Just up until the MEM downgrade, LAS had 2-3 daily nonstops on DL for many years. I used these flights frequently, in order to avoid crappy ATL. The past year for DL at LAS has been most disappointing. A city once considered to be DL's possible replacement to SLC, has reduced service there to a level that now alarms me as a DL Diamond member. Frequency sucks (even to ATL) and they are pushing us onto CR9s on the west coast. They are no longer properly serving the LAS market.

DL did indeed operate MEM-LAS up to twice daily during the winter (but only for two years) but NW never did.

As I mentioned, even during the peak of the MEM hub, NW operated the LAS flight only once during the winter -- and for many years, the flight was choreographed not to compete with MSP & DTW for connections. For example, NW would operate the early DTW-LAS flight as one-stop, same-plane service via MEM -- and usually the majority of the aircraft boarded in DTW.

I don't have access to DL's loads and seat maps are typically horrible indicators for judging them... but in pulling up some of the upcoming MEM-LAS flights, the overwhelming majority of seats are available -- probably 90% on Monday's flight for example. It's pretty clear that even during the peak summer months, MEM-LAS is performing below expectations.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:39 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 42):
DL did indeed operate MEM-LAS up to twice daily during the winter (but only for two years) but NW never did.

Hmmmm? I'm confused.

http://www.memphisairport.org/notes/mem_2007_apr_nwa.htm

"Starting May 2, Northwest will increase its flights between Memphis to Orlando from three to four daily flights. Flight 944 will depart Memphis at 2:15 p.m. and arrive in Orlando at 5:07 p.m. Flight 943 will depart Orlando at 5:40 p.m. and arrive in Memphis at 6:45 p.m.

The airline is also adding a new morning flight from Memphis to Las Vegas, increasing its daily nonstop schedule to two flights."


That additional flight helped kill Frontier's ill-advised foray on the route.

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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:47 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 43):
Hmmmm? I'm confused.
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 42):
DL did indeed operate MEM-LAS up to twice daily during the winter (but only for two years) but NW never did.

The link you provided discusses a second flight in the summer; NW operated MEM-LAS up to 3x daily periodically over the life of the hub but never more than once in the winter. Winter is significant because DL's suspending the route only seasonally.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:23 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 44):
The link you provided discusses a second flight in the summer; NW operated MEM-LAS up to 3x daily periodically over the life of the hub but never more than once in the winter. Winter is significant because DL's suspending the route only seasonally.

It was my understanding that the second flight (link above) was a response to Frontier starting the route in May 2007.

Frontier lasted until January 2008:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/busi...sts-force-frontier-air-to-cut-back

Part of the winter at least, and - I thought - Northwest didn't drop the second frequency until Frontier left.

But it's a long time ago and I could be wrong, I guess.

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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:27 pm

As a frequent traveller from NYC to MEM I miss the LGA to MEM flights, DL currently only has a evening flight from LGA which does not work for business travelers, I personally switched to UA from EWR which is consistently running at 90% loads and above on all my flights, yesterday I took DL thru ATL and with the weather at ATL it was a disaster and I for myself am not going to take another connecting flight on such a short hop
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:47 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 42):
For example, NW would operate the early DTW-LAS flight as one-stop, same-plane service via MEM -- and usually the majority of the aircraft boarded in DTW.

This was not limited to MEM; IND/MKE-LAS were often similar when they operated. I remember a DTW-MKE flight toward the end of MKE-LAS with 25 or 30 folks going on to LAS.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 42):
It's pretty clear that even during the peak summer months, MEM-LAS is performing below expectations.

Part of the issue is that LAS is very day-of-week dependent, and it's not necessarily in a neat pattern. So if you find a day with a couple of big conventions starting (MEM-LAS) or ending (LAS-MEM), the flights are likely to be full. If you pick a random Monday afternoon, a sub-50 percent load is very possible. I always liked MEM-LAS, as it tended to be a very easy upgrade.
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:01 pm

I'm not sure why some people expect AA to add LGA-MEM. It's not exactly low hanging fruit. The MEM market itself is probably right sized today compared to where it used to be. You might see WN add a flight to DEN at some point...maybe LAS...maybe one more frequency to BWI...and that's probably about it.
 
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RE: DL Making More Cuts At MEM

Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:41 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 47):
Part of the issue is that LAS is very day-of-week dependent, and it's not necessarily in a neat pattern.

There's one pattern that's nearly guaranteed - arriving LAS on friday and departing LAS on sundays.

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