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TK New WB Order

Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:17 pm

hallo all,

I see a lot of interviews of Hamdi Topcu and they are referring to VLA and 120 WB at 2023, even they mentioned WB order for delivery After 2017, 330 neo, 350, 787,777 x .
considering aging 332s , they will be 32 77W and 30 A333. my bet for 60 WB order to have 120 is:

10 A388
15 A350
10 779X
10 781 ( LHR, dxb, etc)

10 788 ( new thin markets in latam and n.america)
5 779 ( syd operation)

any speculation and wishful thinking is welcomed  
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:27 pm

The expected TK order later this year is only for 748s or A380s.
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Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:03 pm

The recent cancellation by Skymark of its A380 order will certainly open up early delivery slots; no doubt this will form part of any deal offered by Airbus.
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:07 pm

I´m not sure about the A380 but i´m pretty sure we will see all the others, B777X, A350 and B787 also. The A330NEO could be a good option if they can get early slot in case other deliveries are delayed (A350 for example or new B777X) so they could use as a bridge for few years, however they are not exactly for the same missions.

if you see the current fleet you will see that they really need different planes for different missions so they can´t rely only in 1 manufacturer, and also the new IST airport will give them a nice and big boost for the future operations (after 2018).

Quoting ist2014 (Thread starter):
10 781 ( LHR, dxb, etc)

In a far future, until them they can still do with A330 or B787, no need to add other type now.

The future of TK is very interesting but it´s also difficult to forecast because they serve so many different markets with so many different types, schedules... but apparently they are doing good so far.
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:08 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
The recent cancellation by Skymark of its A380 order will certainly open up early delivery slots; no doubt this will form part of any deal offered by Airbus.

Airlines usually need +- 2 years preparation for the arrival of a 747 or A380 sized jetliner. And I presume the VLA's won't arrive before the completion of the new IST airport. Therefore I doubt the early availability will benefit the A380.
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:12 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Thread starter):
5 779 ( syd operation)

779 is the same as 779X, for SYD they would need the 778X.
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:21 pm

Oh please, oh PLEASE... for the love of all that is beautiful, let them order 10 747-8i.

You DID say wishful thinking was welcome. And I am both wishing AND thinking!
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:50 am

Sydney is definitely on the horizon for Turkish, they have stated that before. The problem is they want to fly it nonstop but don't have the equipment to do it. ATM a sub fleet of 777-200LRs would seem to be the best short term solution, but current speculation is that TK will wait and use the 'next gen' of ULH aircraft to open up Australia. I'm hoping that means 777-8Xs... Plus flights to Melbourne and Sydney, not just the latter.
I agree that the VLA order will be the most interesting component of a TK WB order. I can see TK eventually operating A350s, 777Xs and Dreamliners - of a mixture of models of each type. However, I believe Turkish will order only one type of VLA, and I hope for sentimental reasons it's the 747-8i. Perhaps even a few 747-8Fs as well.
Hopefully the evolving geopolitical climate in the region won't destabilize TK and it's growth plans. I would love to see them continue to grow into a powerhouse airline.
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:10 am

I do seriously think they could order up to 10-15 747-8's, that would give the program a huge boost and maybe reignite interest from other airlines
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:41 am

I can't see TK order more than 6-8 VLA, at least to begin with. Perhaps 6 to 8 747-8is OR the same number of A380s, plus maybe 4 x 747-8Fs... Along with options of up to four of the selected type.
I do see them operating a dozen to twenty 777-9Xs however...
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:05 am

Before the launch of the 777X, it was either the 748 or A380.

At this point, unless stated otherwise by TK, it's the 777X and A350.
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:18 am

TK has already peaked.. is my thinking. Political instability looms in Turkey - a highly volatile political leadership, the country is prone to recession and turmoil, and too crowded a market for TK very soon. TK filled a hubbing gap for a while and rode the expanding domestic market during a sort of boom years, a global awakening for Turkey.

If they and the political leadership are smart, they will strategize to find a sustainable model for TK (and not try to become another ME3 type) and implement procedures to reduce scope for the new airfield, once growth is flattening or receeding. But greed will surely get in the way, as usual with humans, and push scope, contracts and expansion further and ultimately fill corrupt pockets.
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:28 am

I think it's a valid argument, but as long as the Turkish economy is growing, then TK will benefit. Sure, the Turkish political situation is volatile and Erdogan isn't
to everyone's tastes, BUT unlike the ME3, TK has a huge home market and a growing middle class, so I expect to see TK continuing to grow. And I hope it does.

Also, Istanbul was a major regional centre long before any of the bases of the ME3 carriers (indeed, long before aviation was even thought of - back when Istanbul was Constantinople!), so it is well established as a regional centre.
The big threat to TK's growth is delays with the new airport and as long as the incoming govt can keep the economy growing, then I expect to see TK's growth to continue.
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:57 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 10):
Before the launch of the 777X, it was either the 748 or A380.

At this point, unless stated otherwise by TK, it's the 777X and A350.

Well, that is what has been currently stated by their CEO. TK will be choosing, by the end of this year, between the A380 or the 747-8. Granted, they've said such things before, however this time there seems to be some other corroborating evidence that they are actually leaning to making a decision.
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:54 am

one mistake from my side, 5 b 789 for sydney, i think it has sufficient range.

Topcu stated many many years ago that, they could fill 6 A380 but they will wait till reaching 10 frames, so I think they will order at least 10 frames.
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:23 am

Let's say that TK goes for the 380. Where would they fly them? Which of their routes is the highest yielding or busiest when it comes to long-haul?
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:32 am

Not sure about any significant Airbus order, considering the Erdogan - Merkel and EU relationship. The white house is preparing here much better the ground (Qatar, Turkey)   .
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:42 am

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 14):
one mistake from my side, 5 b 789 for sydney, i think it has sufficient range.

Hi mate,
I'm not so sure that the 787-9 has quite enough range for Istanbul-Sydney nonstop. someone with more technical knowledge would be able to answer, I guess. That's why I think the 777-8X is a contender for the Turkish order.
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:09 pm

I´m not sure about a possible non-stop IST-SYD, I don´t see much advantage over any other airline operating the route, we are talking about a 18 hours flight, to sustain such a flight they need to have a huge number of high yield pax, and right now TK is not even planning to offer First on board of their planes and offer only 28 business class seats on board of the new B77W.

I don´t see Australia as a market for TK.

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 15):
Let's say that TK goes for the 380. Where would they fly them? Which of their routes is the highest yielding or busiest when it comes to long-haul?

I don´t really see any route, maybe LHR because the slot restriction, so the only way to add seats is a bigger plane.

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 10):
Before the launch of the 777X, it was either the 748 or A380.

At this point, unless stated otherwise by TK, it's the 777X and A350.

I think it will be a mix of both of them.
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:06 pm

Turkey has an equally bad relationship with both USA and the EU so I don't think that will influence whether they order Airbus or Boeing. In any case, this is not China and the government doesn't dictate what aircraft TK buy. To me they seem like a very cautious company that is more focussed on increasing the number of destinations than increasing capacity, and with warzones flaring up all over the place I'm not sure if they'd really want to take such a risk. Their traffic is fragmented over a lot of different destinations all over Europe, Asia and Africa. Which one destination is big enough to fill an A380 to and what can they do with an A380 that they can't already do with a combination of 777s and A330s with more frequency and flexability?
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:12 pm

My guess is that with 31 A330's and 77W's yet to be delivered, the A380 would be hard to fill and keep full with all the wb's they already have. Its easy to say they can buy 6 or whatever A380's but unless you're EK, you better have a plan in hand. If they plan on flying a lot of cargo, it detracts more from it. And since fuel is an airplanes biggest expense, those 2 extra power-plants will weigh heavy (pun intended) on their decision. Yes, the same goes for the B748.

I'm, thinking that they would wait on the new airport to open and use a combination of the 777/9 and the A350-1000. The 777/8 would work to SYD and other far flung destinations but the economics of the A351 are better than the 777/8 thus axing it from contention.


The probable outcome is 7-10 777/9's and 15 A351's.
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:04 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 10):
At this point, unless stated otherwise by TK, it's the 777X and A350.

   They clearly stated 747-8i or A380.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 20):
The probable outcome is 7-10 777/9's and 15 A351's.

The current RFP is for 747-8i and A380 only.
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:23 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
The current RFP is for 747-8i and A380 only.

Which may end up being a(nother) "no buy" decision for either frame as neither really looks to fit TK's current and near-term operating model.
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:33 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 18):
I don´t see Australia as a market for TK.

Turkish themselves are on the record in the Australian media last year as stating that they are interested in flights to Australia, preferably non stop. I guess that means they can see a market here... And I think they are right!

However... I see the geopolitical landscape in and around Turkey as threatening all of these plans... Time will tell.

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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:37 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):
Which may end up being a(nother) "no buy" decision for either frame

Maybe, but that would not make much sense. Year after year Turkish Airlines studies the use case for a VLA, and this time they issued a RFP.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):
as neither really looks to fit TK's current and near-term operating model.

Actually they said a VLA would allow them to grow on certain routes.
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:43 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
Maybe, but that would not make much sense. Year after year Turkish Airlines studies the use case for a VLA, and this time they issued a RFP....(and TK have) said a VLA would allow them to grow on certain routes.

I could see TK having performed an internal study identifying what routes could support a VLA and what kind of package would make financial sense to innate such services.

So they send out an RFP to Airbus and Boeing to see what kind offers each present and if one of them meets those financial requirements, they go forward and if not, they (again) decide to wait.


Honestly, TK sounds like a logical customer to lease some of Amedeo's A380s...

[Edited 2014-08-10 09:07:44]
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:33 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 25):
Honestly, TK sounds like a logical customer to lease some of Amedeo's A380s...

An earlier interview with TK states that the airline is looking for a direct purchase.

[Edited 2014-08-10 10:10:37]
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:34 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 26):
An earlier interview with TK states stat the airline is looking for a direct purchase.

I understand that, but it seems kind of a risky move, IMO.

Then again, maybe Boeing has the inside track and you can only buy a 747-8...


And honestly, as much a fan I am of the A380-800 compared to the 747-8, I think the 747-8 might be the better option for them.

TK operates a small Business Class cabin - that would fit on the upper deck, allowing it to be segregated from the main deck. Assume Premium Economy forward of Door 2 at 2+3+2 and Economy aft at 3+4+3 and they could have a significant increase in capacity over the 777-300ER - exactly the configuration Boeing is pushing the 747-8 at 777-300ER operators.

[Edited 2014-08-10 10:02:27]
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:18 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
And honestly, as much a fan I am of the A380-800 compared to the 747-8, I think the 747-8 might be the better option for them.

I guess that depends on their growth plans. TK are growing at a similar rate like EK and might be able to fill A380s as well.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
TK operates a small Business Class cabin

Hm yes. Like UN, TK would not buy the A380 for its premium space. And I understand TK is in the progress of removing Premium Economy from its (777) fleet.

[Edited 2014-08-10 10:33:57]
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:45 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):
I guess that depends on their growth plans. TK are growing at a similar rate like EK and might be able to fill A380s as well.

They must be looking at amazingly phenomenal levels of growth since if they're going two classes (with a small Business Class), we'd be looking at around 800-seats for an A380-800.

Heck, the 747-8 would be close to it's 550-seat exit limit in a two-class TK configuration (assuming 32 Business Class on the upper Deck and around 500 Economy seats on the main deck.
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:51 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):

Heck, the 747-8 would be close to it's 550-seat exit limit in a two-class TK configuration (assuming 32 Business Class on the upper Deck and around 500 Economy seats on the main deck.

TK current config on the 77W is 49J and 300Y. Why would they even consider to reduce their J section on a more premium aircraft?
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:21 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 30):
TK current config on the 77W is 49J and 300Y. Why would they even consider to reduce their J section on a more premium aircraft?

Because I was going off of Wikipedia, which shows a configuration of 28J | 63W | 246Y for the 777-300ER.

If TK is increasing the size of their Business Class cabin with the removal of Premium Economy, that might still favor the 747-8, IMO, as it would allow 32 Business Class seats in the upper deck and 14 in the nose (for a total of 48). If they wanted more, they could extend the cabin after of Door 1 (allowing up to 42 additional seats). That would then allow for around 350 Economy seats aft of Door 2.

For the A380-800, you'd be looking at around 64 seats forward of Door 3 on the upper deck, with around 50 Economy on the Upper Deck and around 425 on the main deck (for a total of 475+).
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:06 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 30):
TK current config on the 77W is 49J and 300Y. Why would they even consider to reduce their J section on a more premium aircraft?

I think TK configuration for the B77W is 28+63+246, but I think they are planning to remove the Economy plus to add more economy seat. Right now the most premium seat are in the A343 with 34+236.

http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in...rgo-airbus-boeing-all-flight-fleet

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 23):
Turkish themselves are on the record in the Australian media last year as stating that they are interested in flights to Australia, preferably non stop. I guess that means they can see a market here... And I think they are right!

Virgin Atlantic did during years and they didn´t last very long, even BA has cut so much out of Australia, my point is that for such a terribly long flight you need very high yields and pax willing to stay in the plane for 18 hours, so they can do Europe-IST-SYD, 1 stop, so with EY, SQ, EK, QR... and they are not such a long sector, basically any service between Europe and Australia will have the same issue with the stop, so TK has no advantage here over any other airline. Then why to choose TK??

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):
They must be looking at amazingly phenomenal levels of growth since if they're going two classes (with a small Business Class), we'd be looking at around 800-seats for an A380-800.

Heck, the 747-8 would be close to it's 550-seat exit limit in a two-class TK configuration (assuming 32 Business Class on the upper Deck and around 500 Economy seats on the main deck.

No need for such a large planes. B777 and A350 are perfect for TK.
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:26 pm

current delivieres come with 49J and 300Y config for their 77Ws
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:56 pm

I really hope Boeing's salesman are going balls to the wall to get the 747 order. They need this badly and I don't know how many more customers are going to come out of the wood work looking for a VLA.
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:19 pm

Personally I think the only way that the 747-8 is going to make it into the TK fleet is as a stopgap pending the arrival of 777-9Xs.

Still think this is an A380 order, though, and Airbus can use the cancellation of the Skymark order to its advantage in placing frames with TK sooner rather than later.
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:15 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 31):
Because I was going off of Wikipedia, which shows a configuration of 28J | 63W | 246Y for the 777-300ER.

Premium Economy is being removed, C49 Y300 appears to be the new configuration.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...-to-remove-premium-economy-seating
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...e=777-300&fleet=4486&fleetStatus=1
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Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:22 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 35):
Personally I think the only way that the 747-8 is going to make it into the TK fleet is as a stopgap pending the arrival of 777-9Xs.

Still think this is an A380 order, though, and Airbus can use the cancellation of the Skymark order to its advantage in placing frames with TK sooner rather than later

Boeing has slots they need to fill as early as next year. Don't underestimate their ability to get 747s to anybody who wants them quick.
 
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Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:56 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
. Oh please, oh PLEASE... for the love of all that is beautiful, let them order 10 747-8i.

You DID say wishful thinking was welcome. And I am both wishing AND thinking!


When i read your post , have exactely the same fillings towards the 747-8I .
 
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RE: TK New WB Order

Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:24 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 37):
Boeing has slots they need to fill as early as next year. Don't underestimate their ability to get 747s to anybody who wants them quick.

Hm, if Boeing would be serious about the B748I, they would not have worked so hard on LH, the only big 748I operator, to convert the 748I options to 779 orders - me thinks the B748I is as dead as as the Caravelle or the A340.
 
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Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:46 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 39):
Hm, if Boeing would be serious about the B748I, they would not have worked so hard on LH, the only big 748I operator, to convert the 748I options to 779 orders - me thinks the B748I is as dead as as the Caravelle or the A340.

LH had 20 additional purchase rights for the 747-8I, I believe there is a subtle difference compared to options.

While it is the current belief that the money for those rights were moved over to the 777-9 order, there is no official statement to that regard. Beyond that, it is also likely that Lufthansa could get more 747-8Is whenever they wanted if they decided to order more, so they were essentially free to use the money there to secure their first 20 777-9 orders if possible. I don't think Boeing necessarily had anything to do with convincing them to make this decision.

None of that precludes any additional 747-8I orders by LH, nor does it preclude TK from possibly selecting it in their upcoming RFP.
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RE: TK New WB Order

Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:22 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 39):
me thinks the B748I is as dead as as the Caravelle or the A340.

You don't see many A340s or Caravelles rolling out of a factory these days, that's for sure.

  
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RE: TK New WB Order

Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:54 am

Looking at the huge growth of the Turkish market, and that of TK, coupled with the political volatility internally and often strained relationships abroad, I'd see TK management very carefully weighing up the options on this RFP.

Lease Amadeo A380's but risk them being just too much plane, particularly with an economic impediment like domestic unrest/terrorism, but have the ability to return to lessors?

Purchase the 748i and have slightly less of the above risks in terms of capacity but with no option to return?

My money's on TK deciding on a further RFP for large twins and no VLA purchase at this point.
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RE: TK New WB Order

Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:08 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 18):

I don´t see Australia as a market for TK.

Right! Why is everybody so gung ho about Australia. That is a highly competitive and limited market with very low yields. For the price sensitive there are plenty of oportunities already and for the business traveller its frequency. Plenty available through DXB, AUH and DOH. For the *A through their hubs in Asia. For example FRA SYD price in october around € 1200,- Asie and Gulf, and for JNB/CPT roughly the same. Why waste an aircraft on this route when you can make more money with it elsewhere.

I know, I know, it´s just too sexy if there would be an aircraft that is able to do it. But is it economical and making money?

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