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AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:14 pm

Not sure what the tail number was, but it canceled the flight to HKG. Reason is aircraft damage. Anyone know what happened? Thanks!
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:10 pm

 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:22 pm

I was sitting near the gate when it finally canceled. It was originally delayed two hours or so, and they towed the plane away without any visible damage. Must not have been anything too major but also not something they can MEL or fix easily.
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:18 pm

☨DTE CHNG FLT☨ ORIG 10AUG
DCA 850A B 30
DFW C4 C C2 1055A 1245P D D27
HKG ☨ 605P
4DCA/OUT0851 OFF0905 *0805
2DFW/IN1051 *1051
3DFW/DCSN1545 EQ OTS *1405
1DFW/ CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417
7DFW/AUTO REACCOM CXL FLT COMPLETED SEE N*P3AA0137DFW10AUG *1446*CRCYMG
2HKG/PRE2039 *1404
1HKG/LX CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:30 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 3):
☨DTE CHNG FLT☨ ORIG 10AUG
DCA 850A B 30
DFW C4 C C2 1055A 1245P D D27
HKG ☨ 605P
4DCA/OUT0851 OFF0905 *0805
2DFW/IN1051 *1051
3DFW/DCSN1545 EQ OTS *1405
1DFW/ CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417
7DFW/AUTO REACCOM CXL FLT COMPLETED SEE N*P3AA0137DFW10AUG *1446*CRCYMG
2HKG/PRE2039 *1404
1HKG/LX CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417

Could you please explain what this is saying in laymen's terms, thank you?

Is it just the cancellation notice?
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:38 pm

This is the AA DECS system readout for FLIFO.
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:08 pm

It appears that 77W in question (7LG) was damaged due to frame contact on the L2 door by a jetbridge. The aircraft isn't scheduled to go back in service until tomorrow afternoon.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 4):
Could you please explain what this is saying in laymen's terms, thank you?

Is it just the cancellation notice?

This is the FLIFO entry for that flight in Sabre. It indicates the flight originally had a 1545 decision time due to the equipment being out of service due to aircraft damage before eventually cancelling for the same reason.
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:34 pm

The original A/C rolled back, causing the jetbridge to raise and basically took the L2 door with it. Replacement A/C arrived from LHR and was removed from service due to a lightning strike.
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:46 pm

Quoting dfwagt (Reply 7):
The original A/C rolled back, causing the jetbridge to raise and basically took the L2 door with it. Replacement A/C arrived from LHR and was removed from service due to a lightning strike.

Did someone forget to set the parking brake?   
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:57 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 8):

Airliners normally don't have the parking brake set while sitting at the gate. They use wheel chocks to keep the airplane in place.


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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:59 pm

Quoting 744lover (Reply 9):
Airliners normally don't have the parking brake set while sitting at the gate. They use wheel chocks to keep the airplane in place.

Just a joke. How did the initial a/c roll back then? I'd guess someone's in for retraining.
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:00 pm

AA procedure is to set the parking brake while at the gate.!!!!!!!
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:00 pm

Retraining? Maybe. Peeing into cup? Certainly...
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:19 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 3):
☨DTE CHNG FLT☨ ORIG 10AUG
DCA 850A B 30
DFW C4 C C2 1055A 1245P D D27
HKG ☨ 605P
4DCA/OUT0851 OFF0905 *0805
2DFW/IN1051 *1051
3DFW/DCSN1545 EQ OTS *1405
1DFW/ CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417
7DFW/AUTO REACCOM CXL FLT COMPLETED SEE N*P3AA0137DFW10AUG *1446*CRCYMG
2HKG/PRE2039 *1404
1HKG/LX CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417
Quoting brilondon (Reply 4):
Could you please explain what this is saying in laymen's terms, thank you?

Is it just the cancellation notice?

If someone (like myself) can't understand the above, what would make you think he/she would understand this:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 4):
This is the AA DECS system readout for FLIFO
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:24 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 13):

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 3):
☨DTE CHNG FLT☨ ORIG 10AUG
DCA 850A B 30
DFW C4 C C2 1055A 1245P D D27
HKG ☨ 605P
4DCA/OUT0851 OFF0905 *0805
2DFW/IN1051 *1051
3DFW/DCSN1545 EQ OTS *1405
1DFW/ CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417
7DFW/AUTO REACCOM CXL FLT COMPLETED SEE N*P3AA0137DFW10AUG *1446*CRCYMG
2HKG/PRE2039 *1404
1HKG/LX CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417
Quoting brilondon (Reply 4):
Could you please explain what this is saying in laymen's terms, thank you?

Is it just the cancellation notice?

If someone (like myself) can't understand the above, what would make you think he/she would understand this:

But this is a.net...we should ALL know what this means! After all, we are perfect arent we?   
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:30 pm

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 11):
AA procedure is to set the parking brake while at the gate.!!!!!!!
Quoting 744lover (Reply 9):
Airliners normally don't have the parking brake set while sitting at the gate. They use wheel chocks to keep the airplane in place.
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 8):
Did someone forget to set the parking brake?

In DFW they use auto docking and if no rampers are there to chock the wheels the pilots have to pay attention to the brakes. There are a few cases where planes have rolled back while deplaning because the brake pressure bleed off causing damage to the aircraft, I think in all cases I have heard of no one was hurt thankfully.
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:43 pm

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 11):

I dont't know AA's procedures but for other companies Includes AF, procedure is to set parking brake and wait until pilots receive "shocks in place" confirmation. Then, parking brake is released and a confirmation of "shocks holding" or "plane steady" is made by ground crew.
It is necessary to release the brakes to dissipate the braking action energy (high temperature). A/c will not be allowed to taxi out should the brakes temp is still high >100 ºC.

What hapen many time is Rampers placing shocks a little aft, to avoid having shocks jammed by tires upon departure. If the parking spot have a negative slope, as usual, plane will move backward till stopped by shocks when parking brake is released , jamming the shocks!  

I don't know how it happened but, AF plane will not open a door w/o captain authorization and he/she will wait till plane is steady on shocks.

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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:56 pm

I can't imagine it's much different with airplanes ...

but trust me on this ... from my experience with trains, when you pinch a chock under a wheel, it's not coming out until you roll the wheel off the chock. Period.

(on my railroad we used to have issues with local teens steeling wheel chocks ... it stopped when we chocked the locomotive, then let it roll onto the chock. The little hooligans tried their darndest, but they couldn't get that chock out.)
 
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:13 pm

Quoting litz (Reply 17):

It's the same with a/c, shocks get pinched by wheels. But this is not a big deal, upon departure, with brake released, truck move airplane fwd some inches and the shock can be removed. Pb is normally there are not many rampers, so they have to remove them, throw out of the way and run to wing tips for push back.
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:19 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 14):
☨DTE CHNG FLT☨ ORIG 10AUG
DCA 850A B 30
DFW C4 C C2 1055A 1245P D D27
HKG ☨ 605P
4DCA/OUT0851 OFF0905 *0805
2DFW/IN1051 *1051
3DFW/DCSN1545 EQ OTS *1405
1DFW/ CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417
7DFW/AUTO REACCOM CXL FLT COMPLETED SEE N*P3AA0137DFW10AUG *1446*CRCYMG
2HKG/PRE2039 *1404
1HKG/LX CANCEL DFW -HKG -ACFT N7LG OTS-ACFT DAMAGE *1417

In case one of these comes up again, here's the synopsis:
FLIFO is the lingo for active flight information.
The first part of this includes the scheduled routing, departure/arrival times, gates, terminals and baggage claim area {i.e. DFW arr Gate C4, Terminal C, Baggage Claim C2 times in/out, departing Terminal D, Gate D27. yadda yadda.}
What follows then are the updates, with the numbering indicating either the type of update or the sequence of updates.
ETA/ETD need no explanation, "ON" is the landing time, "IN" is at the gate.
DCSN is AA lingo for a Decision Time, i.e., they don't have a firm ETD, but they'll make a decision on another update or what to do with the flight when it may go south. So the DSCN1545 means that's the time they expect an updated departure or cancellation notice, and the reason for that is the EQuipment is OuT of Service for damage
The HKG/PRE was their last PREliminary anticipated arrival time at HKG when it was delayed or on decision, when it's uncertain enough to hang your hat on a more solid ETA.
Finally the LX = Landing Cancelled, the Cancel notice by city pair and the reason .. the ship number was N7LG.
The note about the Auto Reaccom means an automated system went through and rebooked everybody, with the results posted in an internal reference and its "address" in Sabre.
You might another time see "STUB", indicating an inbound segment of what is normally a through-flight was late or cancelled, and they've brought up another aircraft to run the next segment.
In all my years there at AA, there were always some entries in FLIFO that eluded me, although most of those were creative manual updates by someone.
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RE: AA 777-300 Damaged In DFW On 8/10

Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:01 pm

Quoting Apprentice (Reply 16):
I dont't know AA's procedures but for other companies Includes AF, procedure is to set parking brake and wait until pilots receive "shocks in place" confirmation. Then, parking brake is released and a confirmation of "shocks holding" or "plane steady" is made by ground crew.
It is necessary to release the brakes to dissipate the braking action energy (high temperature). A/c will not be allowed to taxi out should the brakes temp is still high >100 ºC.

For a few more weeks, AA procedure remains to set the parking brake when parked and leave it set even with wheels chocked. That will change soon to the more industry standard policy of releasing the parking brake after wheels are chocked. The stated reasons being to standardize the two legacy airline (AA &US) procedures in the move toward Single Carrier Status and the the legacy US procedure (release parking brake after wheels chocked) supposedly will reduce maintenance costs. Not sure how long that will last if the new AA sees an increase in other aircraft damages --there was probably a good reason legacy AA kept the parking brake set if it costs more in brake repair/rebuild.
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